June 25th Endeavor Quests

Ekzorka

Alastrine wrote: »

one has one AD character so Bruma isn't realistic

Yesterday the one streamer completed 1 Bruma quest when it was occupied by a hostile alliance. He is just a quest-guy with a crafter character.
There's nothing impossible. That's just a laziness.

aussie500

Well its an optional extra, if you do not like the choices, just do not do them.

Elsonso

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Kiralyn2000

Red_Feather wrote: »

I have 375 seals right now and I'm sure some people have more, but who cares. Who really obsesses over stuff like that.

This is a gaming forum. There's people who'll obsess about anything.

Icy_Waffles

Every day same complaints. There are options for a reason. Don’t like those options? Just don’t do your endeavor and stop whining on the forums. God forbid the game actually embrace all content and not just vanilla.

Seriously though. Enough complaints the system is fine.

Elsonso

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

I have 375 seals right now and I'm sure some people have more, but who cares. Who really obsesses over stuff like that.

This is a gaming forum. There's people who'll obsess about anything.

This is a game. There's people who'll grind anything new. They also tend to report back frequently regarding progress.

M_Volsung

I will admit, I did find the "drop 2 ultimates" one amusing, I have the ayleid well furnishing in my house, so I went and dropped them on my garden gnome.

Elsonso

M_Volsung wrote: »

I will admit, I did find the "drop 2 ultimates" one amusing, I have the ayleid well furnishing in my house, so I went and dropped them on my garden gnome.

That'll teach that wayward gnome to mess with you when you have an Endeavor to complete.

starkerealm

M_Volsung wrote: »

I will admit, I did find the "drop 2 ultimates" one amusing, I have the ayleid well furnishing in my house, so I went and dropped them on my garden gnome.

Step 1: Summon Bear
Step 2: Cackle like a maniac for 20 seconds.
Step 3: Go to the character screen and right click to dismiss the Bear.
Step 4: Summon Bear
Step 5: Pocket Seals.

khyrkat

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

lillybit

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

starkerealm

lillybit wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

Uh... no.

The entire point of the system is to simultaneously comply with Microsoft's policy against lootboxes containing items that cannot be acquired through gameplay, and as partial screen against the anti-lootbox legislation popping up in Europe.

It's not about making this stuff available for people who can't pay, it's to say, "see, you can get this stuff 'through gameplay.'"

Tandor

I understand why they introduced Endeavours (in order to legitimise crown crates as we move forward), and I understand why the different tasks are mixed up between the different playstyles and content packs/chapters (in order to (a) appeal to as many players as possible, (b) promote the content packs/chapters, and (c) see my first point re crown crates).

However, while they were interesting and worthwhile to me for the first week, in the second week they've become pretty pointless and irrelevant to me. There was only one task today that was of any interest or relevance to me, and that's despite my having access to all the content packs/chapters. I've done it on a couple of my character rosters (having two accounts on two servers), but I couldn't be bothered with the others.

Nontheless, as @AcadianPaladin says below, it isn't necessary to do all endeavours every day, but then the more they disinterest me the less likely I am to continue checking them out. Much like the crown crates they're designed to protect!

AcadianPaladin

I like the variety of the endeavors. I've been able to happily do 3/3 everyday but will only get 2/2 today (June 26) which is fine. It just so happens that only two were 'appropriate' for my elf today. She is not going to do a DB daily, kill another player or amass 75k siege engine damage. As I said though, overall, I'm quite happy with the range and variety of tasks. Coming up with 5 daily endeavors each day without getting overly repetitious is necessarily going to get into ALL content and include tasks that not everyone likes. No worries.

Tandor

lillybit wrote: »

Seeing as the point of endeavours is to let you get things without needing to make a purchase, it's a little hypocritical to lock some behind purchases.

I'm all for paying for convenience, but this is one area where it perhaps wasn't the best idea to make it easier for the people with deeper pockets.

No, it's to demonstrate that it's possible to get things without needing to make a purchase. That's quite different.

Sanctum74

lillybit wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

Maybe on that specific day, but most days the easy ones are in the base game like eating food, crafting or deconstructing an item, completing a quest, or harvesting a node.

Sephyr

lillybit wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

That isn't the point at all.

Endeavors are a possibility, not a guarantee. Even then, it's not even made to make things easier to get. It's an alternative to loot box laws and Microsoft's policy on them. It never was "Here's some free earnable stuff". It may have been worded that way, but most of us understand what was actually happening and worked things around accordingly.

That being said, did anyone have troubles with the siege endeavor today (75,000 points of siege damage)? Sieged an enemy outpost and it didn't count, but swapped to a keep with player enemies and cleared the two PvP ones at once. It wasn't a gamebreaker completely, but it was a little annoying to try and troubleshoot with an angry horde at my feet.

tsaescishoeshiner

I think there should have been a third option that wasn't DLC or Cyrodiil ... then again, this is a completely optional system, and I don't think it's that bad to require DLC or PvP to get one of 3 rewards. It might cause bad feelings, but I don't think they have a person approve or edit each day's endeavors, so this is likely to happen again occasionally.

I went and did the Bruma quest on a level 14 character in an under 50 Cyrodiil campaign. Might have been a bit hairier on a normal campaign. The dailies that require town quests cause a lot of chaos and competition in Cyrodiil, which can be a really fun change.

Sylvermynx

I just do the ones that have nothing to do with group content, DB, TG, or pvp. If it's only one (like today), that's fine - this is just something in my game life that happens without me micromanaging it.

Elsonso

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I think there should have been a third option that wasn't DLC or Cyrodiil ... then again, this is a completely optional system, and I don't think it's that bad to require DLC or PvP to get one of 3 rewards. It might cause bad feelings, but I don't think they have a person approve or edit each day's endeavors, so this is likely to happen again occasionally.

The thing is that I think that ESO Plus is so common, and the older DLC, like TG and DB, are also so common, that most players don't even think about it.

AlexKuczaja

I don't mean to be disrespectful mate, but as a DC player it's a miracle when i see any of three cities under Blue control. And it baffles me that you said you couldn't do it on account with EP character. You are just as close to Bruma as DC and more often than not its EP who controls Bruma. As a matter of fact, i did this endevour with Bruma being EP's. If i did every single quest in Cropsford then surely you can do one in Bruma. You don't have to conquer anything or engage in campaign. Just ride to town and try to avoid players. I suggest you try less populated server, maybe non-CP one. If you encounter any player, try to do gestures, you stand a good chance that there is a decent person on the other side of screen and they'll leave you alone. And keep in mind that Bruma is far better than Cropsford or Vlastarus as it has it's quest inside unprotected interiors. Vlastarus had it's quest NPCs around guards and to talk to them you had to engage them and alert AD players that i am "invading".

You can also stay with 2/5 endevours for that day. It's not optimal, but as i've said - it's not impossible to have all 3.

VaranisArano

Endeavors is ZOS' excuse for why "crowns crates are totally not gambling, we swear, please don't regulate us."

It's about protecting ZOS' profits, not really about giving away free stuff.

So consider that when you miss out on Endeavors because you don't own a DLC, don't subscribe, don't want to do certain activities like PVP, etc. that works in ZOS' favor. This isn't a system designed to hand out free stuff to base game players who want to be picky about which tasks they do.

Sylvermynx

I'm not actually worrying about getting free stuff. I've got so much stuff on both accounts, both megaservers, I almost never see anything I really want any more.

Oh.... guess I should go grab Naryu's costume on the one account where I have enough gems. Then I won't have enough for an apex mount - but since I don't really like them anyway....

lillybit

Yes, everybody knows that they introduced endeavours to get around laws and to buddy up to Microsoft. That's the reason for them, but it's not their purpose. It's not really relevant. You could apply that logic to anything. Crown crates aren't bad because they increase revenue so they can develop the game more. It doesn't matter if people get addicted to them, they don't have to buy them, they're completely optional.

Whatever the reason they were introduced, their purpose within the ecosystem of the game is to let people earn premium content. They don't do anything else, just that. Make them hard, that's fine. As has been said, they're optional and people can put in as much or as little effort as they feel like. I just don't think adding in paywalls is the right thing to do with them.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

The Endeavors remind me of the daily and weekly challenges in Fallout 76. In Fallout 76 they more or less serve two purposes. One is to provide an in game option for players to obtain limited or rare items other than of those available in the cash shop. The other is to keep players running older content that has become excessively repetitious and where they have obtained all of the available rewards. From my brief exposure to Endeavors other than the end rewards they seem designed to fulfill a similar function. Basically I look at them as the type of thing I run if they do not require much effort or overlap my current game play otherwise I just skip them as the majority of the rewards I can take or leave without a second thought.

Elsonso

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Hymzir

It's all in the eye of the beholder. What is easy and fast for one player, might be a real bother and something that requires them to go out of their way to do. It's good there is a mix of stuff on offer. For me, the idea of repeating one of the old heists (things I did to the death years ago, and to which no new content has been added since), or digging up 2 antiquities sounded way too much of a bother to even contemplate over just going to Bruma and doing a quick 2 minute quest there.

Granted, I mainly PVP these days, so going to Bruma was not much of a deal for me, and was in the vicinity anyways. In fact, I ended up doing all 10 while there, because why not. They take couple of minutes each (the dungeon one requires a bit more due to travel - and some can be done in less than a minute) and do offer Mayhem reward coffers at the moment. I never had done any of the Bruma ones on the character I was running, so got that achievement belted out at the same time. And I did end up getting a Hakeijo from one of the reward boxes, so was definitely worth doing.

I did spot one ganker trying to kill questers while there, but since I never advertised my presence I didn't have to worry about him. Instead I waited for him to attack another player and then counter ganked him while he was busy fighting the quester and then laughed at the corpse. I also came across an enemy player who, when engaged, backed away and started blocking. I realized that he was there to do quests, so I just ignored him and went about my own merry way. Not everyone you come across Cyro is thirsting for easy kills. But obviously some are, so... Just shrug it off and accept it. People will always people. At least you gave that player a moment of fleeting happiness, when they felt all awesome by ganking a PVE quester who was not fighting back.

I feel that there is a lot of needless apprehension over PVP among players. Obviously not every type of content will be fun for everyone, but a lot of people have commented to me over the years, how they were first totally against the very notion of PVP, but after giving it a fair shot, it has become one the primary things they do in the game. And heck, I was one of them.

Anyway, if you do decide to venture into Cyrodiil inexperienced, just keep the following few simple rules in mind and you will do fine.

1 - Use stealth. Always. There is always some enemy around. Always. Avoid obvious paths and take your time. Rushing will just lead to a needless gank and a stint on the old horse simulator.
2 - Do not rush into any objective or sites head first. Always take stock and observe first. It takes a very dedicated and single minded player to wait for the gank without moving for 10 minutes or more.
3 - The core maxim of PVP is to first stay alive, and worry about doing damage and getting kills later. Too many people make the mistake of using a PVE DPS build when they start. Build survivability, evasion, and some sort of get a way mechanism to your build. If nothing else fits, or your class doesn't offer any tools for that, just stock plenty of Invisibility potions.
- and lastly but not least -
5 - Accept that you will die. A lot. Everyone dies in PVP. Even the hardened veterans who run the cheesiest meta builds. They die too. They die less often than new players, but everyone dies in PVP. Unless you're Chuck Norris. Accepting the fact, that you will sometimes fail and lose, and that nobody is perfect, is good for your character, so embrace it.

As to offering stuff that requires a DLC, or an expansion, is totally a non issue to me. I've only bought thieves guild, and do not have any of the other DLCs (except the ones ZOS has offered as freebies over the years) and I do not sub at the moment. I didn't even buy Blackwood yet. So if an endeavor is on offer requiring one of those things, then thems the breaks. Just gotta do something else or pony up the cash and actually pay for the content I am using for my leisure entertainment.

khyrkat

lillybit wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

You missed my point, perhaps I should clarify (attention entitled people who think they should get everything fast and free - do not read): game is offering stuff for money and now also the same stuff for free. If you want it fast, you buy crates with money. Want it free, you grind seals or... attention... buy crates for gold you get by playing the game. There is no paywall, you can get every dlc for in game gold. But oh my, you have to work for it because it doesn't cost 2k gold so you can't get it in one day. Scary indeed...
Stop complaining on system that is fine and in fact has to be in place unless we want crates to go away entirely due to law regulations. All this complaining is pointless and concerns non significant part of the game. I'll say it straight - don't like specific tasks any day, don't do them. It's not like these 15 seals will get you closer to 16k needed for mount.

lillybit

There is a paywall. Not everyone has a guild they trust to buy crowns from, or are willing to trust randoms or a system that offers no protections. That's a different issue tho.

The system is fine, crates are fine, it's great there's an alternative to them. Hard work is fine. Cyrodiil is fine.

I just don't think having paywalls there is in the spirit of it. The people who are least able to afford things are unfairly disadvantaged in a system that should be there to help them.

ivelbob

3 base game dailies allow players to earn their full Endeavours for the day without spending any money on DLC. Of those 3, they cannot possibly cater to every playstyle preference every day. There are different player groups who only PvP / don't craft / don't do dungeons / hate questing / only do quests / mostly do housing