Theo_VVS wrote: »

What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players

In pvp there is always someone abusing the system, and trolling you one way or another. In PvE you got a good chance to improve yourself by learning and repeating. In PVP (but thats me) you either are really good, or constantly dead.

I tell you what I do wonder - why PvP players have an obsession with trying to proselyte PvE players. It's a weird constant in every game I've ever played. Just play what you like and leave others to do the same.

I used to consider myself a person who loves all aspects of PvE gaming, Crafting, Questing, running around overland and exploring, farming nodes or finally PvP.

Unfortunately overland and questing for me has ceased to exist since One Tamriel, the nonexistent difficulty of this game has robbed those two things of any meaning.

I was left with PvE, which I still enjoy in the form of soloing normal dungeons and world bosses. Saddly this doesn't come with new stories

PvP on the other hand still holds a special place in my heart, the dynamics (of course when there are no huge lags), fighting against a reacting and thinking enemy, often fighting against a larger number of players, the ability to use your wits, knowledge and experience - all this makes PvP still interesting for me, no two fights are the same!

And as for the toxicity itself, you usually reap what you sow. It's true that at first I myself was subjected to negative taunts, but now I try to always be positive and it has amazing results. I talk to people about builds, we exchange information, joke, and when we meet we get into friendly skirmishes and go our separate ways wishing each other good luck and successful hunting.

Yes you can still meet very bitter people whose ego cannot bear defeat as much as victory with dignity, but even they need to be taught positive thinking. Wish them all the best after the fight and do not get into further discussions, maybe one day such a seed will fall on fertile ground

the simple thing for me is in PvE what mods and what view mode other players are using is irrelevant to me, just like what I do and don't use is irrelevant to them.

I tend to only play PvP when pure modes are forced and everyone is forced to use the same first person view, so everyone is on a level playing field, i.e. no mods whatsoever and no feckless third-person view.

I'll bite. The simple answer is me and 6 of my friends can't stop you or even try to stop you from enjoying the game, without possibly getting banned for harassment. Whereas when PvE players have tickets locked behind PvP we are forced to endure your side of the game with built in harassment potential. Nothing overland is all that hard there are literally posts every week complaining the quests are too easy. Nothing other than your dislike of PvE prevents you from doing those quests and holiday events. When they lock tickets behind PvP another person has the ability to ruin PvErs enjoyment of the game. I am fine with PvPers enjoying it, I understand you don't want to have to do trials to get gear and such great rage on against ZoS but I can't stop you from getting that gear or quest reward. PvPers can stop me from getting what I want and my reward and that's why we don't like it and it truly isn't fair.

I'm not a pvp player although I have a character with Grand Overlord achievement.
I'm not a pve player although I have done most trials and can solo many dungeons.
I have a Grand Master Crafter but I'm not a crafter.
I have 70 million gold in the bank but I'm not a trader.
I have a few nicely decorated houses...
etc etc

I play ESO.

An astute question.

So this one, gladly, shares his opinion on why he does not like PvP.

First: if you don't like it, don't do it. This one declines duels, ALWAYS. And tries to stay away from Cyrodiil and Imperial City as much as possible. Unless this one really needs to go there for some lorebook or a lead to collect.

Its is good that there are so many zones to explore without having to fear for your life. That's why I like ESO.

But why ZOS put content and collectibles in Cyro is a riddle to me. Why punish completionists who really want to just collect a delve or a collect-this-or-that achievement?

See, why I hate the PvP zone:

You picked up your courage to finally go to Cyro to collect one of those leads for a nice painting in your house (The Heartland) . You manage to pick up the lead and you go for the scryed zone. you are five meters away from your goal and suddenly an EP or DC member shows up and finds it funny to turn this one into a fur cloak ... obv this player is an experienced PvP'er, dedicated to their alliance ... and kill you in mere seconds. This one does not even bother to defend himself. 5 METERS OF THE DIGSITE !!!! you revive at a wayshrine and have to travel all the way back to that digsite... again and hope you don't encounter that or another player.

That is why PvE players hate PvP zones .

If ppl enjoy PvP that's okay, there has to be something for everyone.
But why force players (even if we are in the minority) who like to enjoy all the content this game has to offer into PvP if we want to collect all? I just want to do the quests, collect my shards, collect fishes for this ones aquarium and fishing boat, ... I'm generally not interested in killing other players. Only bandits and wrongdoers, and threats to Tamriel.

Khajiit however, bears no hate towards PvP players. Only much confusion and question towards dev's of the Cyrodiil zone.

It's a nice landscape, and the IC storyline is interesting. But i'm afraid it will be forever untouched in my questbook.
It would be nice, as this one's Clan Mother already pointed out (@SantieClaws) to have a truce once a year, so that PvE'ers also can enjoy this zone and see the things collected we need for completing our achievements.

May everyone walk on Warm Sands,
And Jone and Jode ever light our paths.

Mooncat Zino-jo

I enjoy pvp. I love battlegrounds because it's just not killing but always still action. Cydrolli has its moments but town npcs should be safe zone to turn in and pick up like imperial city.

Surprised at how many people cite toxicity/hate whispers etc.

I mostly PVP and have been playing for years.. I can count on one hand the amount of hate whispers I've had. I've honestly seen more in dungeons.

T-bagging is a thing (still fairly rare) - but I take that as a complement.. It's like saying 'Hah I finally got you'.. You wouldn't bother doing that to a push-over, only to someone who was a real challenge.
I guess there is a mindset thing though. When you are used to PVP you are used to the fact that you are the enemy.. people will try to kill you/bait you/draw you out to where they have the advantage - it's not toxic - that's what the game is. I've seen people take being killed in a PVP zone personally - they just didn't have the right mindset.

There are some playstyles that I get people don't like.. Ganking, Bombing, Ball-groups, 1vX, small-groups trying to bait people out.. But that's a positive imho - there is something there for almost all playstyles - you just get used to recognising and avoiding those you don't like going up against.. Don't want to get kited around a tower? Don't chase the guy around the tower.. Surviving ganks is a skill to be learned though..

RandomKodiak wrote: »

I'll bite. The simple answer is me and 6 of my friends can't stop you or even try to stop you from enjoying the game, without possibly getting banned for harassment. Whereas when PvE players have tickets locked behind PvP we are forced to endure your side of the game with built in harassment potential. Nothing overland is all that hard there are literally posts every week complaining the quests are too easy. Nothing other than your dislike of PvE prevents you from doing those quests and holiday events. When they lock tickets behind PvP another person has the ability to ruin PvErs enjoyment of the game. I am fine with PvPers enjoying it, I understand you don't want to have to do trials to get gear and such great rage on against ZoS but I can't stop you from getting that gear or quest reward. PvPers can stop me from getting what I want and my reward and that's why we don't like it and it truly isn't fair.

I think this is a very valid point..
These events are pulling PVE-ers into PVP for the wrong reasons. They are to get a specific reward.

I guess it makes sense that PVE'ers go into the PVP environment with a PVE mindset.. 'I want X - you repeatedly stopping me is a kind of griefing'.

Yet the PVP mindset is 'I will die - I am the enemy in your eyes and will be attacked'. These two are incompatible, and I can fully understand that where a PVPer is just playing the game (in his mind) by killing whatever enemies he sees, yet if that enemy is a PVE-er who just wants X - I can see how they would see that person as being malicious.

Where two PVPers in that scenario are 'Great - a fight', if one is a PVE-er - he doesn't see it that way.

I guess the point is that these events do the exact opposite of getting people into the mindset required for PVP.

What I can suggest - Ask for an escort in /zone. 1/3 of PVPers out there are actually your allies - many play ungrouped, and if its a quiet time (no major sieges they are involved in) many would be more than happy to come and escort you.. It would be a nice bit of variation for them to the game.

Theo_VVS wrote: »

What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players

I was in a BG the other day. And go recked by a team of 4, all wearing the same sets, and spamming the same abilities. In fact the hole team got recked in under a sec with 40k resists and heals. And I thought to myself WHAT A UNIQUE EXPERIANCE!!

Ippokrates wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Surprised at how many people cite toxicity/hate whispers etc.

I mostly PVP and have been playing for years.. I can count on one hand the amount of hate whispers I've had. I've honestly seen more in dungeons.

T-bagging is a thing (still fairly rare) - but I take that as a complement.. It's like saying 'Hah I finally got you'.. You wouldn't bother doing that to a push-over, only to someone who was a real challenge.
I guess there is a mindset thing though. When you are used to PVP you are used to the fact that you are the enemy.. people will try to kill you/bait you/draw you out to where they have the advantage - it's not toxic - that's what the game is. I've seen people take being killed in a PVP zone personally - they just didn't have the right mindset.

There are some playstyles that I get people don't like.. Ganking, Bombing, Ball-groups, 1vX, small-groups trying to bait people out.. But that's a positive imho - there is something there for almost all playstyles - you just get used to recognising and avoiding those you don't like going up against.. Don't want to get kited around a tower? Don't chase the guy around the tower.. Surviving ganks is a skill to be learned though..

Surviving ganker attack is not skill - it is massive hp with good mitigation & selfheal + immunity (sometimes). Sure, I lately not only survive few gankers attack but manage to kill those daedrafokkers - but it required an Alt completely dedicated to pvp. Something that many pvers simply do not have.

Partially. Yes - you need to be tanky enough to survive the first hit - but then you need to know how to react instantly to avoid the follow-ups, and get your health back up out of execute range so you can make it a stand-up fight. Part of it is also being aware of a ganker in the area and keeping defensive buffs up etc..
There are skills involved - but you do also need that initial tankiness.

Theo_VVS wrote: »

What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players

But you could say this about almost all things in life ... just watch the soccer european championship.
Its always the same thing happening, you have eleven players against another eleven players running after a ball ... always the same thing ... boring .... BORING!!!

or your real life ... get up each morning doing always the same things ... eat, work, watch tv .... boring ....

so pve or pvp ... just the same repetive behaviour as all other activities in life

One issue is people who have played this game from the beginning learnt to pvp with players who were also learning, Now new players come up against veterans with years of experience who know every rock tree and choke point.

There is nowhere to learn with others who are also learning anymore. No under 50 is not a place to learn it is a place to get nuked by all Gold Veterans who also know every rock tree and choke point they just keep rolling new alts

Until a safer place to learn exists PVP will always be a bad experience for many.