As a PvPer converted from PvE, my take is that PvP is competitive and difficult to pick up.

Dying to a player and dying to an AI fires off different emotions within us.

PvP also has a steep learning curve which not many is willing to climb. You have to die many times before even getting remotely good. You control your pace in PvE where as PvP is controlled by others.

IMO, toxicity is worse in PvE.

OP, basically different strokes for different folks.

because it costs a heckton of money to always change sets. I barely could make a full gold set, there is no way im making another.

Since you ask your question seriously, and with an apparent desire to understand, I'll answer with the same candor.

I don't like PvP, not in any game.
The main reason is that I find it very stressful. The level of competition is exhilarating to some, but I find that it is literally physically painful, even if I win.

A second reason is that it seems to bring out the worst in people. I'll give you a typical example, from the Lord of the Rings Online. New PvP players (called "Creeps," they play as orcs or other evil creatures) start in a secure camp area. Literally the SECOND they walk out the door, they're ambushed by invisible Burglars (a stealth class) who instantly oneshot them. There's no chance to fight back. The Burglar then proceeds to mock the defeated player, performing one or another disrespectful emote or "teabagging" their victim. If by some miracle the victim survives and fights back to defeat the Burglar, or if the Burglar is attacked by someone coming to the newbie's aid, they will spew angry insults and threaten reports and so on. Now, this isn't ALL PvP players, but it's enough of them to make it unpleasant to play. These same invisible ambushers wiping out players coming for their first PvP experience will ALSO tend to complain bitterly that PvP is empty, never realizing that THEY are driving out all the new blood. It happens in ALL PvP, so I don't do it.

A third reason is touched on in the same example. To me, PvP is supposed to be about COMPETITION. However, so often there IS no competition. Players will be invisibly ambushed and oneshotted with no chance to fight back, or overwhelmed by 30-1 odds, or simply be completely overmatched by people using gear and skills designed to make them unkillable or irresistable. A player like myself who has to work HARD to reach 10k dps isn't going to be able to scratch any of the regular PvP crowd. There's just no way to compete... and no one is playing to be cannon fodder to stroke someone else's ego.

I love the idea of PvP here. I like the idea of capturing keeps and siege weapons and ALL of that... But I can't get into it because there's no way for me to compete, and too many bad attitudes.

I did have a couple of good PvP experiences over the years, though.

WAY back in the day, I was playing Red Baron 3D online, flying my Eindecker EIII over the front. Suddenly, I spotted an enemy Nieuport 11, and we engaged. The Nieuport was faster and more maneuverable, but I knew the EIII very well, and we were well matched, each of us taking hits from the other. Eventually we ran out of ammo. He waggled his wings at me, and I did the same before retiring to friendly territory. It was a great battle, and good sportsmanship.

Another was in Bloody Bay, in City of Heroes/Villains. In that PvP zone, there was a dock area that was regarded as a place to duel, where spectators were not attacked. However, on this day, someone didn't know that. I was playing Lord Dire, a character based on Dr. Doom. He had a force field power that made him essentially indestructable, and as a Mastermind, he had a group of pet robots around him. I was watching a duel when another player decided to try to ambush me. I took no damage, but my bots started attacking him. He tried to retreat, so I followed him, my bots battering him as he went. He tried to fly away, but didn't know I had a power to let my bots fly, so I followed him again. He ran at high speed, hoping to make me outrun my bots. They would fall, and I'd be easy pickings... but I saw through his plan, and had one of my own. I let the bots fall to the ground and he came at me... but I'd queued up an attack that would suppress his flight. It hit him, and he fell the LONG distance to the ground, where my bots were waiting to finish him off. As I swooped in for the kill, a second player blindsided me, and they finished me off.
What made this a great experience was the thrust and parry, where he would try a strategy, and I'd counter, then I would try something and he would counter. It was very strategic, and if not for the second player interfering, I would have had him. Even that last moment rescue was great because it was so cinematic.

So, I realize not all PvP is bad... but two good experiences in over 30 years of gaming tells a sad story.

I just don’t like battlegrounds or massive open world PVP. I’ve been waiting for ‘Arena’ pvp for years, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5.

Make skill change free and ability to change into pvp setup easily.

Lag.

Tired of putting a good combo on someone and then that person heals instantly with one ability.

Traveling in Cyrodiil takes ages even with full mount speed and passive. Traveling for 5 minutes to the keep and then getting killed by zerg.

It's not very welcoming for solo play.

PvP just feels unfair to me. There's no server for my region, I'm constantly coming across players with much more experience than me, not to mention the sheer amount of variables I have to try and remember. I don't hate PvP games, I've poured hundreds, maybe thousands of hours into one of them and I still play it from time to time to this day. I just don't enjoy PvP in this game.

I've done PvP in other games. I just don't want to do it anymore. *shrug* I have no interest whatsoever in it. I thought maybe I'd HAVE to do it, but I'm much happier with the realization that I really don't HAVE to do anything except what I want to in this game.

PvP is not my jam, it is not something I enjoy, I have indeed tried it and I have no interest in trying again. I don't play my game to be entertainment for another person... Sorry. As for wearing the same two sets and spamming the same abilities, that is not the case in PvE. I main a tank I am regularly switching between seven different sets depending on what I am doing and whet they bring to the table. As a tank running Vet and trial content my rotation is reactive to whatever is going on in the fight at the time. I find it very enjoyable. a Vet hard mode working with a small group of people is very satisfying and that is not something that I have ever gotten from PvP.

I stopped pvping because I am not going to beta test a game mode, report how stuff isn't balanced, working properly or playtested to eleminate exploits... and have it ignored all the time. I won't do that anymore.

Theo_VVS wrote: »

What do you guys have against PvP? Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build.

What do you have against PvE? LOL

When i started playing back in 2015, i played a year doing all questlines and cadwells silver and stuff. I really enjoyed crafting and "dressing" up my char and realised that unlocking colors i wanted i had to go and do PvP. The foremost color i wanted was the Legate Black. Little didi i know the grind required to get that color. Anyway i started PvPing and and stayed in PvP until i reached Grand Overlord. took me awhile i played both solo, smallscale and in ballgroups. Then i felt i needed a change and set a new goal to aquire the trial skins. i joined a prog group in PvE and started with the Craglorn trials and moved my way up until i had all the skins i wanted. I consider myself now both and End game pveer and pvpeer. And i enjoyed it all. As u can see the motivations for me has always been the astetics and now when i have all colors and skins i want. Next step im going into now is to do trifectas and score pushing. I still enjoy PvP both as solo/smallscale player and ballgroup player.