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Is 30 world bosses overkill compared to other options?
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Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭👀 thanks all the tips, in the end I joined cropsfield crew before chaos starts.
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vgabor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doing the 30 WB for endeavours is waste of time (unless you doing for the challenge...)
The siege one takes only few minutes, just head to the nearest enemy resource, if you're lucky enough you might even find one around one of your own alliance keeps so don't even have to ride for it... You only need to hit the flagpost guards 2 times with a meatbag catapult and it's done, you can pack up and go back home.
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daim✭✭✭✭✭At The Reach like 30 people are just waiting to kill the bug with 6 min cooldown.. that route is boring as **** though.""I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light." It was written on my sword, long…long ago." ―Ajunta Pall
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Damnationie wrote: »30 world bosses are not something many players actually will be doing. It's simply too much of a time sink for those on restricted windows to play.
Actually, so many players are doing this one that it's really quick and easy once the boss spawns; it's waiting for the boss to spawn that's time-consuming.
30 in a week averages out to 4 or 5 a day, which is easily doable. I did 9 today, picking ones I hadn't done before, and was able to complete the world bosses in 3 zones that way. This endeavor is giving me a great excuse and opportunity to tick off all of the world bosses that I was missing.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Have never been to Cyrodiil, besides on one character to grab the skyshards. So I did the 30 world bosses. Had a character that skipped most of them anyways.
But yeah, waiting for respawns isn't really fun. And encountering 30 world bosses at random, or just by playing through the zone(s), is not happening. So for a weekly, I feel the amount should be lowered to 21 tops. Three world bosses a day, would be a realistic but still high, possible normal play encounter.Edited by Sarannah on June 21, 2021 9:47PM1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.0 -
Wolfster✭✭✭Honestly already super done with the additional mindless grind added by endeavours. It’s like a whole new game system specifically designed to induce burnout as quickly as possible.
I’m not gonna do the dailies, I’m sure as hell not doing the weeklies.1 -
SammyKhajit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭16 WB in one hour and a bit. Ran around DLC zones to collect quests. If boss zone was deserted, Sammy invited players to join and shared quest. Then went to the “old” zones (eg Eastmarch) and just followed the trail of players travelling from one WB to the other. Had Mirri as companion and equipped her with all the aggro and damage gears. Used the oldest and best geared alt who is a night blade. Some players just released ult straight away and it’s tough for young khajits starting out. Respawn time is the worst thing though.
Players pretty chilled although some liked to literally stand on top of where the WB would be. Sort of like the guys who would stand right at the plane boarding gate before the call is made
Edited by SammyKhajit on June 21, 2021 10:45PM0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's no way I'll have time to do 30 world bosses in a week AND actually have time to play the game for fun.
It is definitely excessive.8 -
SammyKhajit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Another annoying thing re weekly daily - is it all going to be lots of killing? Wish they can do something non killing like discover x number of scenic sights; craft and gift another player some gears or potions; or pie x number of guards and bankers.3 -
bridgetrose✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »I'm not going to do it by grinding the same bosses repeatedly in a day.
Instead, I'm going to travel around the zones during the week and do bosses I'm still missing for whatever reasons. So far I've completed 2 zones and am now completing a third.
I'm even finding yellow lore books I didn't know I was missing.
I'll probably do that next time. I just camp a boss that respawned every 5 min. It took a bit but this is out of my comfort zone so I picked an easy one and stuck with it. Next time I'll expand.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***3 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.Edited by Sephyr on June 21, 2021 11:37PM0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
guess how long it took me to finish 7 cropsford dailies on one of the side accounts? no cheese required.
if you say the same amount of time as the siege? you would be correct. and there was no "cheesing" involved. i just found looked at Cyrodil population in non locked campaigns, logged over to the alliance that dominated at the time (when i did the side account, it happened to be DC), and ran through all 7 dailies while having my breakfast.
[snip]
we had dailies where one daily was "eat two things" and the other would be " finish a dungeon" obviously not the same amount of effort. and? let there be quick things for people. being able to finish a weekly relatively quickly means pveers can be out of your hair, taking up spots that much sooner.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on June 22, 2021 1:07PMdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***4 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
That's about how long the siege weapon daily took me doing it the "proper" way, but then I'm an experienced PVPer and AD raids were pushing my home keeps which made for some easy defenses. It might easily take inexperienced PVPers much longer.
I don't think time is the best measurement here.
Rather, I think ZOS needs to work on the cheese.1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
That's about how long the siege weapon daily took me doing it the "proper" way, but then I'm an experienced PVPer and AD raids were pushing my home keeps which made for some easy defenses. It might easily take inexperienced PVPers much longer.
I don't think time is the best measurement here.
Rather, I think ZOS needs to work on the cheese.
I don't think experience is the best measurement either.
I do agree though. The cheese needs to go because it's exactly why we can't have nice things.0 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
guess how long it took me to finish 7 cropsford dailies on one of the side accounts? no cheese required.
if you say the same amount of time as the siege? you would be correct. and there was no "cheesing" involved. i just found looked at Cyrodil population in non locked campaigns, logged over to the alliance that dominated at the time (when i did the side account, it happened to be DC), and ran through all 7 dailies while having my breakfast.
[snip]
we had dailies where one daily was "eat two things" and the other would be " finish a dungeon" obviously not the same amount of effort. and? let there be quick things for people. being able to finish a weekly relatively quickly means pveers can be out of your hair, taking up spots that much sooner.
Dailies are different than weeklies. The people who ruin things are those who cheese things and the rest of us get punished for it. [snip] You have your opinion, I have mine [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on June 22, 2021 1:06PM0 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I ran around Deshaan on 5 different characters, hit all 6 world bosses with each. Plenty of people around, and certainly enough to interrupt/kill the treefolk on Caravan Crest to make it cake. It took no more than an hour to do all that.3 -
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✭finished 30 bosses in 3 hours, the werewolves in Glenumbra.
Quick fights as many people camping there, even on the not that well populated xbox EU server.
Between the bossfight the dolmen some steps away, got lots of jewelry for deconstruction for platings, and 3 pieces of companion gear.
On NA, I used the fighters guild daily (3 anchors in Deshaan) to kill 7 bosses while riding to uncover wayshrines.
I could do it in cyro much quicker (rank: first sergeant), but actually enjoyed the group event character of farming the bosses.
Finally again some life back to the formerly deserted basegame areas, the game suddenly feels alive again
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what_the✭✭✭Luke_Flamesword wrote: »People will kill World Bosses like crazy now - just travel through base zones (easiest bosses) and join random fights. You can also ask guilds or zone chat to make a group, so not a big deal.
Sometimes I think that even if ZOS gave us thousands of seals just for login, people would be still complain.
It's weekly task, so it's not for almost free like daily ones. You have option to do it fast but in PvP environment or slowly and grindy, but in comfort, overland conditions.
This^^
I jumped around some of the original zones, and knocked out about 10 WBs in a couple of hrs..I also got some companion gear/exp, gold, some new weapons/gear for my sticker book and CPs for my troubles...2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
guess how long it took me to finish 7 cropsford dailies on one of the side accounts? no cheese required.
if you say the same amount of time as the siege? you would be correct. and there was no "cheesing" involved. i just found looked at Cyrodil population in non locked campaigns, logged over to the alliance that dominated at the time (when i did the side account, it happened to be DC), and ran through all 7 dailies while having my breakfast.
[snip]
we had dailies where one daily was "eat two things" and the other would be " finish a dungeon" obviously not the same amount of effort. and? let there be quick things for people. being able to finish a weekly relatively quickly means pveers can be out of your hair, taking up spots that much sooner.
Dailies are different than weeklies. The people who ruin things are those who cheese things and the rest of us get punished for it. [snip] You have your opinion, I have mine [snip]
[snip] 7 cropsford dailies ALSO took me very short amount of time compared to 30 world bosses. 7 cropsford dailies is also a weekly endeavor. let people have fast siege options. unless you can explain how being able to do this nerfs pvp in any way shape or form? [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on June 22, 2021 1:03PMdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***4 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
guess how long it took me to finish 7 cropsford dailies on one of the side accounts? no cheese required.
if you say the same amount of time as the siege? you would be correct. and there was no "cheesing" involved. i just found looked at Cyrodil population in non locked campaigns, logged over to the alliance that dominated at the time (when i did the side account, it happened to be DC), and ran through all 7 dailies while having my breakfast.
[snip]
we had dailies where one daily was "eat two things" and the other would be " finish a dungeon" obviously not the same amount of effort. and? let there be quick things for people. being able to finish a weekly relatively quickly means pveers can be out of your hair, taking up spots that much sooner.
Dailies are different than weeklies. The people who ruin things are those who cheese things and the rest of us get punished for it. [snip] You have your opinion, I have mine [snip]
[snip] 7 cropsford dailies ALSO took me very short amount of time compared to 30 world bosses. 7 cropsford dailies is also a weekly endeavor. let people have fast siege options. unless you can explain how being able to do this nerfs pvp in any way shape or form? [snip]
[snip] I think it shouldn't be allowed. [snip]
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alberichtano✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think 30 WBs a week should be the standard for the weekly endeavor. This will get people out into the open world and engaging with other players. It will help newer or less experienced players with map completion. I would like to see more things like this that can bring more life to the overland.
It will get old reeeal fast though.2 -
alberichtano✭✭✭✭✭
✭KalyanLazair wrote: »It can be done in a single day. A well fitted character with a decent CP can solo a WB in just a few minutes. However, it does feel unfair to new players with low leveled characters and no CP. They are the ones who are going to have it worse to complete the weekly endeavors.
As for me, I can solo WB but the reward is so menial it's just not worth my time. Not because I don't find WB engaging or fun to fight, but because 30 of them is a time investment I'm not willing to make for such a small reward. If I happen to be playing and I happen to walk past one, yeah, I might fight it, but I'm not going to actively pursue it.
Yeees, a well fitted character with a decent CP.
What about all the casual n00b players, they don't count?1 -
alberichtano✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ippokrates wrote: »BUT WAITING FOR RESPAWN... turn this hour into 3 hours. Especially that now World Bosses are dying in seconds - literally SECONDS, and even if you standing next to the site there is chance (mainly due to lag) that you would not get hit or somehow get hit but not enough powerful to get loot (had it today in Murkmire ^^ ) is turning this game into the Domain of Uncle Sheo, where madness is around every corner. Madness and boredom.
That would be the biggest problem for me. I don't have a pure DPS character so often if there's a lot of people around I have a hard time doing enough damage to qualify for contribution in the few seconds it takes them to burn down a boss.
During festivals where bosses drop event tickets I usually try to find a somewhat tanky boss in an out of the way place where fewer people are likely to bother going and park a character there. Even then every so often a big group will come through and overwhelm it and no one else will get anything, but at least then I only need to kill 1 per day instead of 4-5 so having to try again later isn't usually as much of a problem.
If it wasn't for having some time on the first morning, when most people were at work and/or didn't know the weekly endeavours had started (and thankfully a rare Monday without maintenance) I think I'd have had to skip this week, which wouldn't be a great start to the new system.
Agree completely. Both the limit for doing damage and the ridiculous respawn times makes the grind worse, especially for new players (who actually need the loot the most), healers and tanks that don't usually focus on DPS.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
That's about how long the siege weapon daily took me doing it the "proper" way, but then I'm an experienced PVPer and AD raids were pushing my home keeps which made for some easy defenses. It might easily take inexperienced PVPers much longer.
I don't think time is the best measurement here.
Rather, I think ZOS needs to work on the cheese.
I don't think experience is the best measurement either.
I do agree though. The cheese needs to go because it's exactly why we can't have nice things.
The problem with PVP endeavors is that the learning curve for PVP is more like a cliff.
Experienced PVPers are going to complete them more quickly than casual or inexperienced PVPers, but if ZOS gears PVP weeklies towards the more experienced PVPers, then it gets really difficult for less inexperienced players. The cheese needs to go, but I don't think ZOS needs to make the endeavor more challenging. YMMV, of course.
I'm thinking back to when I started to PVP, and it would've take me a LOT longer to get that siege weapon weekly done just because I didn't know how to find defensive fights where I could pick up a lot of siege damage naturally. Stuff like this makes me appreciate how much I've learned over the years.1 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.
Yeah, I feel like they didn't know that this could be done and is a large oversight on their part. Hopefully it gets fixed.
dear god no, stop ruining good things, please.
that said, I decided to go for 30 bosses on main account for a sole reason of already doing the dailies anyways. just added one extra daily to it. its definitely more time consuming than other options, but on main account at least its something I was already doing anyways, so...
It's a weekly and it shouldn't be cleaned out in 15-30 minutes. Stop cheesing the game because this is exactly why things like this get OVER nerfed because y'all can't be trusted.
That's about how long the siege weapon daily took me doing it the "proper" way, but then I'm an experienced PVPer and AD raids were pushing my home keeps which made for some easy defenses. It might easily take inexperienced PVPers much longer.
I don't think time is the best measurement here.
Rather, I think ZOS needs to work on the cheese.
I don't think experience is the best measurement either.
I do agree though. The cheese needs to go because it's exactly why we can't have nice things.
The problem with PVP endeavors is that the learning curve for PVP is more like a cliff.
Experienced PVPers are going to complete them more quickly than casual or inexperienced PVPers, but if ZOS gears PVP weeklies towards the more experienced PVPers, then it gets really difficult for less inexperienced players. The cheese needs to go, but I don't think ZOS needs to make the endeavor more challenging. YMMV, of course.
I'm thinking back to when I started to PVP, and it would've take me a LOT longer to get that siege weapon weekly done just because I didn't know how to find defensive fights where I could pick up a lot of siege damage naturally. Stuff like this makes me appreciate how much I've learned over the years.
I disagree. It's the matter of effort put into the others is where the problem lies. You don't have to do anything but reset NPCs to get one weekly where the others you actually have to work for your objective. You, nor the other person, aren't going to change my opinion and I'm not here to change yours. Respect that.Edited by Sephyr on June 22, 2021 2:19AM0 -
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✭✭Got to Cropsford yesterday, got killed 4 times by gankers camping a goblin location, shrugged and went to kill worldboss in Stonefalls. It's stuff like that that turns people away from PvP. I'm fine with risking encountering enemy players from time to time, but camping like that is just unbearable. And it must be soo boring, I don't get it. My playtime's limited, no way I'd sit in one location waiting for some passerby to kill."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
@Michae PC/EU9
