Is 30 world bosses overkill compared to other options?

TwinLamps

whitecrow wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.

So just play it for the story & quests. You don't have to do all that other stuff.

thing is I feel bad if I do not complete these daily stuff they added.
I am positive I aint alone on this.
But having multiple accounts really put a lot of strain on me with all these new thing we "should" grind on daily basis.

Starlight_Whisper

TwinLamps wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.

So just play it for the story & quests. You don't have to do all that other stuff.

thing is I feel bad if I do not complete these daily stuff they added.
I am positive I aint alone on this.
But having multiple accounts really put a lot of strain on me with all these new thing we "should" grind on daily basis.

But think of this way there are lots of dailies in game. Surely nobody does all of them, so might want to pass on this on four the accounts.

shadyjane62

Takes me twenty minutes to the crafting in Crops.

Don't think I've dome 30 WB since I started playing 6 years ago.

Answer to question from OP is yes.

TequilaFire

OK, 15 world bosses in 2 hours, mostly because of waiting for respawn.
Word of advice do it now don't wait because many people are doing it now.

relentless_turnip

No that is very easily achievable. It takes 5-10 minutes to kill most world bosses. That's 5 hours at worst IMO.

AlnilamE

TwinLamps wrote: »

Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.

OK. This is a you problem.

Endeavours are account-wide, so it doesn't matter how many alts you have, but if you are tying to do any sort of daily on 5 accounts that's going to be grindy, no matter how easy it is.

I would settle for doing them on your main account and not worry about the others.

orion_1981usub17_ESO

Do the world boss dailies for extra rewards, most dlc have wb quest everyday for extra prizes.

SeaGtGruff

Given that there are generally 6 world bosses per zone, and that players often like to do all of a given zone's world bosses at once for the sake of completing that zone, that correlates to clearing just 1 zone per day for 5 days, which is certainly doable, especially given the high likelihood that many other players will be doing the same thing all week, increasing the chances of being able to find a group in zone chat.

And for players who are having a hard time finding anyone to group with, they should be able to visit a number of zones each day to do the easiest world bosses in those zones.

So I think it's a quite reasonable number of world bosses for a weekly endeavor.

Elvenheart

fizl101 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.

Try the siege weapons one, I did it in 5 minutes as I am a mediocre PVPer and there were people camping. Grab a fire trebuchet, take it to a resource like a lumbermill you don't own, set it up as far away as possible that you can hit the flag without pulling the guards, and fire it. I got the achievement in 3 hits, then rode back to a keep and travelled back to the wayshrine

Where do you buy the fire trebuchets/ballista at?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

30 WB's in a week is too much for the average PVE'r (IMO). ZOS seems to forget that a huge chunk of their player base has jobs, families, and limited play time. If I have one hour a day to play, why would I waste it doing WB's for the endeavor? I would rather spend that time questing and playing with friends. Sure, there will be a few players who will get it done in a single day, but they most likely don't have a job. This endeavor should be cut in half. I can do two WB's a day and still have some time left to quest.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

30 WB's in a week is too much for the average PVE'r (IMO). ZOS seems to forget that a huge chunk of their player base has jobs, families, and limited play time. If I have one hour a day to play, why would I waste it doing WB's for the endeavor? I would rather spend that time questing and playing with friends. Sure, there will be a few players who will get it done in a single day, but they most likely don't have a job. This endeavor should be cut in half. I can do two WB's a day and still have some time left to quest.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

TBF, MMOs have never been for the "one hour a day" type of gamers.

They are, inherently, a huge time sink, and reward players who put in the time.

(Yes, I am saying players who put in more hours should expect better rewards)

jaws343

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

30 WB's in a week is too much for the average PVE'r (IMO). ZOS seems to forget that a huge chunk of their player base has jobs, families, and limited play time. If I have one hour a day to play, why would I waste it doing WB's for the endeavor? I would rather spend that time questing and playing with friends. Sure, there will be a few players who will get it done in a single day, but they most likely don't have a job. This endeavor should be cut in half. I can do two WB's a day and still have some time left to quest.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I am fairly certain I will get it done in an hour to two tonight. I have a job. Stop shaming people who like to spend their free time in video games. It really does more to hurt your cause than it does to help it.

And also, maybe, if 30 is too much for you, this week of endeavors aren't for you. And that is ok. Not everything in the game has to suit the tastes of every player in the game. That is unreasonable.

Lady_Galadhiel

Edaphon wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.

No, there's also the siege weapon weekly, by far the easiest and fastest of them.

You don't even have to hit a keep or enemy player, any NPC will do. Just grab a cheap fire ballista and shoot the first wolves or bandits you come across. Only takes a few minutes and there's no risk of ever encountering another player somewhere in the wild, far away from any keeps or resources.

fizl101 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.

Try the siege weapons one, I did it in 5 minutes as I am a mediocre PVPer and there were people camping. Grab a fire trebuchet, take it to a resource like a lumbermill you don't own, set it up as far away as possible that you can hit the flag without pulling the guards, and fire it. I got the achievement in 3 hits, then rode back to a keep and travelled back to the wayshrine

Thank you both for the advice,I did get on my main 4 siege weapons did go to the volendrung spawn point near my alliance base. Then I did place a siege there and got the achievement within a few minutes of attacking them and running away so they reset and I can attack them again.

Am so glad I don't have to grind 30 wbs.

Thank you again

bridgetrose

I camped a boss early this morning and every time he spawned people came out of the woodwork so I got 10 done this morning and I'll do 10 tomorrow and the next day or maybe this afternoon.

SeaGtGruff

The "hardest" part about trying to kill 30 world bosses in a week is going to be having to wait patiently for them to spawn.

The most aggraving part-- next to the tedium of gaving to wait around (which isn't bad if you use that time to run around the area harvesting nodes and killing mobs)-- is going to be trying to get in enough damage in comparison to all the players who are spamming OP AOEs to qualify for looting the corpses.

Sanctum74

Elvenheart wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.

Try the siege weapons one, I did it in 5 minutes as I am a mediocre PVPer and there were people camping. Grab a fire trebuchet, take it to a resource like a lumbermill you don't own, set it up as far away as possible that you can hit the flag without pulling the guards, and fire it. I got the achievement in 3 hits, then rode back to a keep and travelled back to the wayshrine

Where do you buy the fire trebuchets/ballista at?

There’s a siege merchant located at every home gate, castle, and resource.

TequilaFire

LOL Now they will fix the Volendrung cheese method and make Uncle Sheo angry.
And there goes a free ultimate recharge point. lol

aurorable

I just ran between 2 bosses in Auridon and got it done pretty quickly.

AlnilamE

aurorable wrote: »

I just ran between 2 bosses in Auridon and got it done pretty quickly.

Yeah, I think if you are going for speed rather than trying to get as many different bosses as possible for achievements or whatnot, running between two that are close together is the fastest method.

robpr

Does ballista in Captain Vrol fight in Kyne's Aegis count for the siege endeavor?

Urusovite

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

What do you think?

That can be done in a couple hours easily

driosketch

And here I was thinking WB weekly would be a good time to farm some companion gear. I know it's RNG, but those bosses have been the most consistent drops for me.

hands0medevil

No, it's not.

jaws343

driosketch wrote: »

And here I was thinking WB weekly would be a good time to farm some companion gear. I know it's RNG, but those bosses have been the most consistent drops for me.

What's great about world bosses is that usually the loot cooldown timer will have lapsed by the time you kill one so you almost always get gear drops. Unlike Delves and Public dungeons where you can kill 3+ bosses in a span of 2 or 3 minutes and only get drops from 1 or 2.

SeaGtGruff

I'm not going to do it by grinding the same bosses repeatedly in a day.

Instead, I'm going to travel around the zones during the week and do bosses I'm still missing for whatever reasons. So far I've completed 2 zones and am now completing a third.

I'm even finding yellow lore books I didn't know I was missing.

fizl101

Elvenheart wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.

Try the siege weapons one, I did it in 5 minutes as I am a mediocre PVPer and there were people camping. Grab a fire trebuchet, take it to a resource like a lumbermill you don't own, set it up as far away as possible that you can hit the flag without pulling the guards, and fire it. I got the achievement in 3 hits, then rode back to a keep and travelled back to the wayshrine

Where do you buy the fire trebuchets/ballista at?

If there arent any in your guild banks you can get them from the siege merchant from a keep owned by your faction

Damnationie

These weekly's are just not well thought out. Endeavour's were billed as something to be done as you adventure. The daily missions have been all fine and match the understanding I have of what an endeavour should be. All of the weeklies have problems.

First, simply on player numbers, there should be at least as many PvE weekly missions as PvP. A 2/2 split would make much more sense than what we have here. The whole point was there to be options for players based on varying playstyle.

Secondly, there should be some equivalence in effort - having one weekly mission that can take multiple hours and be of variable difficulty depending on player level and balanced against one that can be done in 7 minutes makes no sense.

30 world bosses are not something many players actually will be doing. It's simply too much of a time sink for those on restricted windows to play. If I'm logging on, it's to get the fun out of playing. Not to spend a chunk of time on one activity that I may or may not like doing. For some people with high level well geared chars this will be easy enough if they want to spend the time, but newer players will find this more of a struggle. 14 bosses, 2 per day, would be a much more reasonable number for the average PvE player. Doing 2 per night would not consume all their play window, so they could still realistically do it and enjoy playing the game.

Doing 7 missions in Cropsford is ok, but it's unfocussed. Doing PvE quests in a PvP zone id not really the point of Cyrodiil. It is trivial to accomplish if your side holds the town. All it does is encourage people to swap sides to whomever owns the town, do quests and log off. Which is a great help to that side as one of the limited slots for PvP in Cyrodiil is tied up by a PvE player in effect. The problem both with this and the siege damage quest is they are bound to Cyrodiil PvP, which is not the only PvP in the game. A better mission would be to complete 20 PvP missions over the week. This would bring in Imperial City and Battleground missions, encompassing all forms of PvP.

And the Siege engine quest. How is this classed as a weekly mission? I logged into a campaign as AD, Eastern Elsweyr gate base. Rode west through the siege training area to the little lake beyond it were there is a spawn point for Uncle Sheo's hammer. Set up a Ballista, and started firing at the Golden saints that guard it. They took a hit, charged me and then half way across the pond hit aggro limit and turned round and returned to position. Just in time for the ballista to reload. Took 7 minutes from entering Cyrodiil to complete. It's actually the easiest option as a PvE player to do. If you've never been to Cyrodiil add an added bonus you can run the intro to Cyrodiil quest to unlock the skill lines. Oh, and you occupy a limited PvP slot (for a brief time admittedly ) in the campaign with a pure PvE player.

Based on this sample the weekly quests need a bit of rethink.

TequilaFire

Yeah the siege one should only count player damage to prevent cheesing.

Ippokrates

You have around 10 Daily World Boss missions.

Clockwork City
Vvardenfell
Summerset
Northern Elsweyr
Southern Elsweyr (Senchal, not Tideholm)
Western Skyrim
The Reach
Murkmire
Blackwood
Wrothgar


*Not sure about Kvatch & IC, forget to check ^^*

If you have Wayshrines & Inn rooms activated, running between quest givers & WB is usually quite easy. And fast. I would say, all 10 could be done in less than hour.

BUT WAITING FOR RESPAWN... turn this hour into 3 hours. Especially that now World Bosses are dying in seconds - literally SECONDS, and even if you standing next to the site there is chance (mainly due to lag) that you would not get hit or somehow get hit but not enough powerful to get loot (had it today in Murkmire ^^ ) is turning this game into the Domain of Uncle Sheo, where madness is around every corner. Madness and boredom.

Not good, I would say, not good...

Danikat

Ippokrates wrote: »

BUT WAITING FOR RESPAWN... turn this hour into 3 hours. Especially that now World Bosses are dying in seconds - literally SECONDS, and even if you standing next to the site there is chance (mainly due to lag) that you would not get hit or somehow get hit but not enough powerful to get loot (had it today in Murkmire ^^ ) is turning this game into the Domain of Uncle Sheo, where madness is around every corner. Madness and boredom.

That would be the biggest problem for me. I don't have a pure DPS character so often if there's a lot of people around I have a hard time doing enough damage to qualify for contribution in the few seconds it takes them to burn down a boss.

During festivals where bosses drop event tickets I usually try to find a somewhat tanky boss in an out of the way place where fewer people are likely to bother going and park a character there. Even then every so often a big group will come through and overwhelm it and no one else will get anything, but at least then I only need to kill 1 per day instead of 4-5 so having to try again later isn't usually as much of a problem.

If it wasn't for having some time on the first morning, when most people were at work and/or didn't know the weekly endeavours had started (and thankfully a rare Monday without maintenance) I think I'd have had to skip this week, which wouldn't be a great start to the new system.