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Is 30 world bosses overkill compared to other options?
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Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thirty world bosses in a week 😂😂😂😆😆😆............. err no 🤨
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Nomadic_Atmoran✭✭✭✭✭
✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »What do you think?
I think they really want you to consider the other options. But if youre a PvEer that has no taste for PvP. Then Im here to tell you its your only option. The other two are not as simple as they may appear.
The 400k siege damage might not be a lot to a seasoned PvP vet but for someone with no one else to group with or doesnt venture into Cyrodiil often/at all. Its absolutely a lot to attempt to do. Even in a week. Unless youre online during a night cap with no enemy player presence or lucky enough to get in when there is a lot of movement going on in Cyrodiil (ie keeps are flipping between alliances like hot cakes). Youre likely going to have a hard time. No ones going to stand by and let you wail on a keep wall for funsies. And the damage you can produce against a wall via siege weapons at best is something like 4k a shot with a slow reload mechanic. So youre going to have to utilize more than one siege weapon at once.
And with Cropsford. Well, everyone has it so good luck to anyone that wants to get at it during prime time or once the event kicks off. That town is going to be the most heated battleground in Cyrodiil for the next week. Even long after the PvPers have gotten their endeavors from the challenge. They will still sit on that spot because of all of the free kills from PvEers flooding into the area. If you dont want to get ganked while collecting bags of produce. This is probably not the place you want to go.
5 WBs a day is not that bad. A lot of PvEers will be out doing the same challenge all week. So there should be plenty of people camping these things until they get their endeavors.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry - Laerinel Rhaev - Enrerion - Caius Berilius - Seylina Ithvala - Signa Squallrider - H'Vak the GrimjawlYynril Rothvani - Tenarei Rhaev - Bathes-In-Coin - Dazsh Ro Khar - Aredyhel - Reads-To-Frogs - Azjani Ma'LesKheshna gra-Gharbuk - Gallisten Bondurant - Aban Shahid Bakr - Etain Maquier - Atsu Kalame - Faulpia Severinus3 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
But it is the objective of the town. Especially Cropsford. The quests that lead to that town are there with the explicit threat of PVP, even if the quests themselves aren't exactly PVP. Other players are supposed to try to stop you from completing the quest. That is the literal point of the zone.
Realistically when was the last time you fought anyone in Crops/Vlast when not pushing for yellow scrolls or running back with them?
The last time I was in PVP actually, trying to take/defend the town to keep open fast travel routes and prevent enemy forward spawn point.5 -
Marcus_Aurelius✭✭✭✭✭Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »I think they really want you to consider the other options. But if youre a PvEer that has no taste for PvP. Then Im here to tell you its your only option. The other two are not as simple as they may appear.
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Buy a fire ballista (they are very cheap), got to the Hammer spawning location INSIDE your home alliance (where no other alliance can go). Hit the NPc. Done.
Wih zero probability of having to do PvP.
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Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭ohh honnestly, i am soooo happy.
A lot were complaining that the dailies endeavour were way too easy.
You called for it!! they serve you well. You wanted more and more difficult ?
When we complain, we should always remember that we can get what we wish for, in that case more difficultyI can not wait to see Monday the weekly.
I do hope very seriously that as an answer to all those complaining, they will put something on the lines
- Complete a trial
- Complete a hard mode trial
- Complete 5 veterans hard mode
- Complete 30 different world boss on DLC area
..... but i guess that even there they will complain that suddenly its way too hard, or they dont have time for that, or the intensive loot is not good enough .... etc etc etcMy most recent charactersAD - Chjara NB-5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.
I did the cropsford dailies on a pve healer and only died once. I just went on the faction that controlled cropsford.3 -
Nomadic_Atmoran✭✭✭✭✭
✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »I think they really want you to consider the other options. But if youre a PvEer that has no taste for PvP. Then Im here to tell you its your only option. The other two are not as simple as they may appear.
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Buy a fire ballista (they are very cheap), got to the Hammer spawning location INSIDE your home alliance (where no other alliance can go). Hit the NPc. Done.
Wih zero probability of having to do PvP.
Thats likely a good alternative but how many PvEers do you think is going to go with that option. Theyre going to grab their siege weapons and venture down to hit an enemy keep.
Its just far simpler to target the bosses for anyone that is allergic to pvp.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry - Laerinel Rhaev - Enrerion - Caius Berilius - Seylina Ithvala - Signa Squallrider - H'Vak the GrimjawlYynril Rothvani - Tenarei Rhaev - Bathes-In-Coin - Dazsh Ro Khar - Aredyhel - Reads-To-Frogs - Azjani Ma'LesKheshna gra-Gharbuk - Gallisten Bondurant - Aban Shahid Bakr - Etain Maquier - Atsu Kalame - Faulpia Severinus1 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
But it is the objective of the town. Especially Cropsford. The quests that lead to that town are there with the explicit threat of PVP, even if the quests themselves aren't exactly PVP. Other players are supposed to try to stop you from completing the quest. That is the literal point of the zone.
Realistically when was the last time you fought anyone in Crops/Vlast when not pushing for yellow scrolls or running back with them?
The last time I was in PVP actually, trying to take/defend the town to keep open fast travel routes and prevent enemy forward spawn point.
So you were defending BM during a push? How often does it happen?
What I'm saying here is that for the most part of the day nothing happens in towns and you only get a small window for action, depending on the general map activity. My point still stands, town quests are PvE.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
But it is the objective of the town. Especially Cropsford. The quests that lead to that town are there with the explicit threat of PVP, even if the quests themselves aren't exactly PVP. Other players are supposed to try to stop you from completing the quest. That is the literal point of the zone.
Realistically when was the last time you fought anyone in Crops/Vlast when not pushing for yellow scrolls or running back with them?
Many times....
Just the last time I did them and today while doing the endeavor. And I only pvp during mym. But I have done town dailies outside of that and it's rare that I get zero fights.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 21, 2021 3:03PM0 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
It is if you don’t want your home keeps taken. Vlas and crops are 2 of the most important spots on the map next to Fare for ad so defending them is very important.
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Malthorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think 30 WBs a week should be the standard for the weekly endeavor. This will get people out into the open world and engaging with other players. It will help newer or less experienced players with map completion. I would like to see more things like this that can bring more life to the overland.8 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭It wouldn't be so bad if they would decrease respawning time to 3 minutes. Now people standing in the sites like some tools... Also, they should count dragons as a WB, cause that is far more fun & efficient way to grind, even if a single Dragon is worth dozen of WB from original provinces.4
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
It is if you don’t want your home keeps taken. Vlas and crops are 2 of the most important spots on the map next to Fare for ad so defending them is very important.
Yeah, it is baffling to me that people think that Cropsford, Vlastrus and Bruma are not strategic PVP locations.8 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭It can be done in a single day. A well fitted character with a decent CP can solo a WB in just a few minutes. However, it does feel unfair to new players with low leveled characters and no CP. They are the ones who are going to have it worse to complete the weekly endeavors.
As for me, I can solo WB but the reward is so menial it's just not worth my time. Not because I don't find WB engaging or fun to fight, but because 30 of them is a time investment I'm not willing to make for such a small reward. If I happen to be playing and I happen to walk past one, yeah, I might fight it, but I'm not going to actively pursue it.1 -
Nomadic_Atmoran✭✭✭✭✭
✭KalyanLazair wrote: »It can be done in a single day. A well fitted character with a decent CP can solo a WB in just a few minutes. However, it does feel unfair to new players with low leveled characters and no CP. They are the ones who are going to have it worse to complete the weekly endeavors.
As for me, I can solo WB but the reward is so menial it's just not worth my time. Not because I don't find WB engaging or fun to fight, but because 30 of them is a time investment I'm not willing to make for such a small reward. If I happen to be playing and I happen to walk past one, yeah, I might fight it, but I'm not going to actively pursue it.
Yup and a group of 4-6 players will absolutely melt a boss in less than a minute. Its really not that bad. I suspect that ZOS wanted players to recoil at the idea of having to mow down 30 WBs and would opt for Cropsford as an alternative.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry - Laerinel Rhaev - Enrerion - Caius Berilius - Seylina Ithvala - Signa Squallrider - H'Vak the GrimjawlYynril Rothvani - Tenarei Rhaev - Bathes-In-Coin - Dazsh Ro Khar - Aredyhel - Reads-To-Frogs - Azjani Ma'LesKheshna gra-Gharbuk - Gallisten Bondurant - Aban Shahid Bakr - Etain Maquier - Atsu Kalame - Faulpia Severinus1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »As a healer main I will just point out that this week will be kind of difficult for me to complete the weekly endeaovers.
While Cropsfors dailies aren't an option for me because I refuse to get killed like each few minutes by some gankers,the 30 worldbosses are all what is left.
You can go to a zone where people do WB dailies and join a group and get gear to sell in the process.The Moot Councillor4 -
Obsidian3✭✭✭✭Why are people complaining about the world bosses? Now with more people hunting them it will be easier to get the achievements in the base game zones. I am sure there is going to be a lot of Invite and share WB groups in all the DLC Zones. Easy 1 toon per zone and your done! Plus all the awesome loot you are sure to get from the dailies!!4
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fire Ballista on a PvP resource flag with 4 enemies NPC's will give you the weekly in about 30 seconds. Super easy, virtually threat free.Edited by danno8 on June 21, 2021 3:38PM7 -
KovalskyNestor✭✭✭I do the WB dailies, that way I can grind motif pages and get weekly challenge done.3 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it is absolutely the most time consuming, IMO. for me, doing my typical play, I would get 21 world bosses in a week. meanwhile I'm already done with weekly on side account. one via crospford dailies, the other - catapult.
the only thing I can say it.. it seems to be completely in line with how dailies have been going so far. completely uneven both in time/effort required to complete and rewards given.dirty worthless casual.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think some people will complain about anything. This is a much better achievement compared to some of the dailys that are just laughably trivial. It's a weekly achievement that can be knocked out in prob 2 hours or less. Mix it with some lead or companion gear farming. Win/win.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
How are any of these Cropsford quests PvP?
They're in Cyro, so they're automatically pvp (it's a pvp zone). Also, while going to & from the quest givers, pvp players can/will pvp you.
They are PvE quests in a PvP enabled zone. Their objective doesn't involve fighting other players, they're not PvP quests by any means. "Kill 40 players" is a PvP quest, "Gather some apples" isn't one.
But Cropsford is a PVP objective, with PVP spawn point and relay, as well as a PVP capture quest. So expecting not to face PVP in Cropsford is ridiculous.
Expecting to meet enemy players in a PvP enabled zone is natural. But fighting them is not the objective of any of the town quests.
But it is the objective of the town. Especially Cropsford. The quests that lead to that town are there with the explicit threat of PVP, even if the quests themselves aren't exactly PVP. Other players are supposed to try to stop you from completing the quest. That is the literal point of the zone.
Realistically when was the last time you fought anyone in Crops/Vlast when not pushing for yellow scrolls or running back with them?
I'm EP, so owning Cropsford is one of those things we watch the map for because it safeguards our southern flank or heralds an attack from AD if they take it.
Even before ZOS made it a transit point, Cropsford was an important objective. I imagine that DC players watch Bruma for much the same reason to guess if EP is trying to attack Dragonclaw or Bleakers.
(That being said, I got my weekly done with siege weapons. Thank you, AD group attacking Farragut. I finished it off right quick when y'all stacked up to siege the front door.)Edited by VaranisArano on June 21, 2021 6:09PM2 -
Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭As the character who is my main now, leveled with Blackwood, i had a lot of WB to do all around the worlds. So, its all fun and great beeing able to complete those, having loot, and helping also others who need them too
So far did 30 WB in 3 hours. I helped a lot of people do them while they were also helping me:) its the norm usually on a MMO game no ?
Thank you ZoS, was fun reallyEdited by Lauranae on June 21, 2021 7:31PMMy most recent charactersAD - Chjara NB-3 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.Awake, but at what cost1 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »IT SUCKS that 2 of 3 weekly options are PvP
when probably 90% of players only do PvE.
I even liked PvP before, but after Update 30
there is NO WAY I go into Stamina-PvP again with my patch-crippled MagToons.
So the 30 WBs are a MUST this week.
Even though 30 is a bit much in my opinion because this will need HOURS of boss riding/waiting.
You can also only complete one a week, which means by doing the WB's you render the PvP endeavours inactive.
Anyway, as already said, it's an entire week to kill 30. That is a mere 4.2 WB's per day.
I had 13 killed in half an hour.
People need to remember that we don't have to get these things instantly... That is why it is a week long.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!2 -
Camb0Sl1ce✭✭✭markulrich1966 wrote: »on xbox you can camp at the 3 werewolf bosses close to the exorcised cottage home in Glenumbra. Just beside a dolmen, so always people around farming dolmen + bosses. Takes a while to do it 30 times, but an option for low level players who cannot solo basegame bosses yet.
In Stormhaven, there is a strange "boss", somewhere in the center, consisting only of 3 bannekin. Takes 10 seconds to kill this "boss".
Other suggestions?
I know the one you're talking about and theres supposed to be a Daedroth that spawns from a portal there, sounds bugged.0 -
whitecrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.
So just play it for the story & quests. You don't have to do all that other stuff.6 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Im contemplating leaving ESO, ngl.
This year game became so grindy I hardly want to play at all.
I have 5 accounts and everything they added is a pure chore.
I mean I guess it must be fun for new players and whatever, I guess.
But being somewhat forced to do content I do not enjoy at all might turn me away from the game.
This just makes me laugh. I am sorry, but you have 5 accounts and you are complaining about grinding in an MMO? I am not sure you get to intentionally magnify your grind by a factor of 5, then complain about said grind...12
