Is it really necessary for you to be rude in pvp after you kill another player?
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Technically you are supposed to formally ask them not to do that, screenshot your request so it's on record, and then if they do it again you have to record them doing it and send all that in to ZOS. Clearly since that's a load of work ZOS doesn't expect or want people to do it but they did officially say if someone does it after you've asked them to stop, it's harassment. If I ever create a dedicated PvP character I am going to name him Please Don't Teabag Me and that'll cover Step One from the getgo, and also will be irresistible bait so I can catch me a lot of folks who just cannot resist and start drowning the devs in reports. Maybe then they'll actually do something about that behavior that might work to curb it.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
What a sad state of affairs online gaming has come to.
Maybe I'm just getting too old idk but I dont think I want to live in a world where reasonable adults take genuine offense to video game avatar gestures in a "competitive" environment. Being a good sport and harmless trash talk (or the video game equivalent of) are not mutually exclusive.1 -
Syrpynt✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »...Need to develop that thick skin, which is especially easy in an online environment where you aremt even actually physically interacting with the person doing the "trashing". You really shouldnt put any stock into it... it's the person who gets upset by getting tea bagged that raises the loudest alarms and makes it a thing, where the person who tea bagged has already forgotten about it 2 minutes later.
"Just let toxic behavior reign free, leave it unchecked! It's not that bad! Get over it, crybabies. YOU'RE at fault for making it a big deal!"
The worst argument point, I've heard so far.4 -
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✭✭When they kill you in like 1 v 4, they t-bag you.
When you kill them 1 v 1, they /w you super fast to tell you how much of a loser you are for using <literally any ability or set you been using>
Then they come to forums and be like 'Guys why is IC/BGs dead it is such a fun game mode'7 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Technically you are supposed to formally ask them not to do that, screenshot your request so it's on record, and then if they do it again you have to record them doing it and send all that in to ZOS. Clearly since that's a load of work ZOS doesn't expect or want people to do it but they did officially say if someone does it after you've asked them to stop, it's harassment. If I ever create a dedicated PvP character I am going to name him Please Don't Teabag Me and that'll cover Step One from the getgo, and also will be irresistible bait so I can catch me a lot of folks who just cannot resist and start drowning the devs in reports. Maybe then they'll actually do something about that behavior that might work to curb it.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
What a sad state of affairs online gaming has come to.
Maybe I'm just getting too old idk but I dont think I want to live in a world where reasonable adults take genuine offense to video game avatar gestures in a "competitive" environment. Being a good sport and harmless trash talk (or the video game equivalent of) are not mutually exclusive.
I'll be frank with you. I know someone who lives with assault trauma and rather than hide in a closet they choose to get out there and socialize online as much as they can stand to. I don't care how innocent a lot of people try to make it, when you boil it down to basics, teabagging is mimicking the action of rubbing your genitalia on someone that is helpless to stop you. There have been more than one person that has expressed that being subject to this feels violating and brings back feelings of trauma from past assaults. I know one person who has been permanently put off of PvP for exactly this one reason, because it's not safe for them *only because of the people who insist on teabagging*. So you tell me who's less reasonable: Someone who hates seeing a friend get traumatized by someone else's gesture of disrespect and dominance, or someone who thinks their right to mime rubbing their junk on someone is more important than any harm that they could accidentally do to a stranger whose history they have no knowledge about? Which is more of a loss, forgoing one stupid gesture or forgoing an entire portion of the game because people insist on doing that one stupid gesture?2 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
Where? Show me in the terms of service where it says anything about teabagging? It's a harassment clause that covers a broad range of things, teabagging someone once or twice wont get you banned. However going out of your way to do it after they asked you to stop could be considered harassment. Teabagging it's self is not against any term of service. Thats a rumor thats been around for years. Just don't be a *** head and you don't gotta worry. Teabag away, especially if they did it first. But if someone says they are not about it, then knock it off and you will be good. On the flip, under the same rule if someone teabags you and you flip out about it and go out of your way to dog someone for it then you could get banned too.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6962775/#Comment_6962775
This is the only comment on it and it doesn't say teabagging it's self is in the terms of service at all and in fact makes it a point to mention context mattering.Edited by Tessitura on June 13, 2021 2:06AM1 -
Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭i just play /Tinyviolin, not to mock but so they repose in peaceMy most recent charactersAD - Chjara NB-0 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I rarely see the repetitve squat emote in grey host at all anymore, on either ps4 server...
if I see an ally doing it, I redguard dance next to them, looks funny...
in small scale, i'm a pretty annoying guy to try to siege against, before you flag me, I'll keep lighting your siege on fire, once the keep is flagged i'm gonna dump oil and hit you with cold-fire or a lance..I can slow small groups (6 or less) up to a good 10 to 15 minutes...
I'll usually die around my oils, still - never get bagged or slammed (
) Edited by geonsocal on June 13, 2021 2:27AMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
INe_Saninus✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Technically you are supposed to formally ask them not to do that, screenshot your request so it's on record, and then if they do it again you have to record them doing it and send all that in to ZOS. Clearly since that's a load of work ZOS doesn't expect or want people to do it but they did officially say if someone does it after you've asked them to stop, it's harassment. If I ever create a dedicated PvP character I am going to name him Please Don't Teabag Me and that'll cover Step One from the getgo, and also will be irresistible bait so I can catch me a lot of folks who just cannot resist and start drowning the devs in reports. Maybe then they'll actually do something about that behavior that might work to curb it.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
What a sad state of affairs online gaming has come to.
Maybe I'm just getting too old idk but I dont think I want to live in a world where reasonable adults take genuine offense to video game avatar gestures in a "competitive" environment. Being a good sport and harmless trash talk (or the video game equivalent of) are not mutually exclusive.
I'll be frank with you. I know someone who lives with assault trauma and rather than hide in a closet they choose to get out there and socialize online as much as they can stand to. I don't care how innocent a lot of people try to make it, when you boil it down to basics, teabagging is mimicking the action of rubbing your genitalia on someone that is helpless to stop you. There have been more than one person that has expressed that being subject to this feels violating and brings back feelings of trauma from past assaults. I know one person who has been permanently put off of PvP for exactly this one reason, because it's not safe for them *only because of the people who insist on teabagging*. So you tell me who's less reasonable: Someone who hates seeing a friend get traumatized by someone else's gesture of disrespect and dominance, or someone who thinks their right to mime rubbing their junk on someone is more important than any harm that they could accidentally do to a stranger whose history they have no knowledge about? Which is more of a loss, forgoing one stupid gesture or forgoing an entire portion of the game because people insist on doing that one stupid gesture?
Anybody reading this SHOULD have sympathy for your friend.
...but expecting an entire community to change a very common and (for all intents and purposes) very harmless behavior because of a small number of players who have suffered a trauma is beyond ridiculous.
This game offers plenty a ways to play.
My guess is that pvp isn't meant for everyone.2 -
INe_Saninus✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
But again... where are these players that have been suspended for bagging?
Not one forum goer for as long as I have been lurking apparently.
Not one person in any guild that I'm apart of.
Not one enemy that I regularly run into in Cyrodiil. (...and I know those guys are toxic af lmao)
It's. Not. Enforced. (And for good reason)
The world doesn't bow to you.
Pvp is competitive. It's personal. It's frustrating. Infuriating. Unfair.
...but it's glorious. And exciting.
It appeals to our basic instincts.
To fight. To win. Conquer. Dominate.
There are roleplaying guilds if you're looking for a good safe time.
Don't expect others to play the way you think they should.1 -
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✭✭The desire to humiliate and disrespect an opponent is at the least poor sportsmanship, which should not be encouraged and at the worst toxic behaviour, which should be punished. It show a marked lack of self control and makes you look like a pathetic ***, not the dominant overlord you think it does. Most of the players who bag weren't even in on the kill. Its just sad, weak, losers trying to make themselves feel better.
Those of you who think its harmless are chipping away at the social contract. This is a game, yes, but moderately civilised behaviour should be expected at minimum. PVP loses new players constantly because of actions like this.
Have some self respect and learn to behave like a leader and a champion.PCNA
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Draevik✭✭✭I think the one that I laughed at the hardest, was when a whole group kept killing me in BGs and using the chair emote thing. They all just sat on my corpse. I take it as a win, that they are wasting time doing that to me, for whatever reason and not killing my team.
I also go out of my way to kill players actively t-bagging team members, or to avenge them if I saw it and remember the players name.0 -
cynicalbutterfly✭✭✭✭When they kill you in like 1 v 4, they t-bag you.
When you kill them 1 v 1, they /w you super fast to tell you how much of a loser you are for using <literally any ability or set you been using>
Then they come to forums and be like 'Guys why is IC/BGs dead it is such a fun game mode'
Speaking of whispers... I was on a noob alt a few days ago. I was standing outside the Harbourage derping when some rando invited me to duel. I declined because I'm really not into that type of gameplay. But this rando precedes to spam me duel invites. After being declined about 10 times, the rando whispers me. Calls me a b-word, a hoe, and makes sure to tell me that my character's appearance sucks (wut? lol). I ignored ofc but still amazes me that some people would go that far over declined duel invites.
The level of toxicity some people resort to is astounding. It's childish behaviour that some people can't seem to grow out of it
I rarely see the repetitve squat emote in grey host at all anymore, on either ps4 server
I can second this. I rarely ever hear of it or see it happening on PS. Actually, compared to when I first started playing, I've seen a decrease in toxic behaviour in general. There's still some jerks out there ofc.
Edited by cynicalbutterfly on June 13, 2021 7:22PM0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Technically you are supposed to formally ask them not to do that, screenshot your request so it's on record, and then if they do it again you have to record them doing it and send all that in to ZOS. Clearly since that's a load of work ZOS doesn't expect or want people to do it but they did officially say if someone does it after you've asked them to stop, it's harassment. If I ever create a dedicated PvP character I am going to name him Please Don't Teabag Me and that'll cover Step One from the getgo, and also will be irresistible bait so I can catch me a lot of folks who just cannot resist and start drowning the devs in reports. Maybe then they'll actually do something about that behavior that might work to curb it.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »You can always screen shot them doing it and then report it to zos. It is against terms of service, so they can get temporarily or permanently banned.
If someone does that to me in a bg I usually just say to them "why would you do that when we will end up on a team together?" They normally apologize at that part. If not, I hunt them down and kill them over and over again lol.
If they are toxic, go ahead and report them. Cut that garbage out!
I don't think this is true. Every competitive game has some form of banter, in ESO this is that.
Now if they were to whisper you insults, threats, or just mocking you, I'm confident that is against ToS.
You can read the terms of service. It is in there.
...but so what? I don't get the impression that it is enforced.
...and for good reason.
Complaining about how someone celebrates their win in a digital environment is absurd.
They include it in their ToS as more of an obligation and a deterrent.
Rarely (even in extreme and repeated cases) would t-bagging be considered harrassment by any reasonable adult.
Is it. In fact, I believe a community manger last year commented on the issue.
What a sad state of affairs online gaming has come to.
Maybe I'm just getting too old idk but I dont think I want to live in a world where reasonable adults take genuine offense to video game avatar gestures in a "competitive" environment. Being a good sport and harmless trash talk (or the video game equivalent of) are not mutually exclusive.
I'll be frank with you. I know someone who lives with assault trauma and rather than hide in a closet they choose to get out there and socialize online as much as they can stand to. I don't care how innocent a lot of people try to make it, when you boil it down to basics, teabagging is mimicking the action of rubbing your genitalia on someone that is helpless to stop you. There have been more than one person that has expressed that being subject to this feels violating and brings back feelings of trauma from past assaults. I know one person who has been permanently put off of PvP for exactly this one reason, because it's not safe for them *only because of the people who insist on teabagging*. So you tell me who's less reasonable: Someone who hates seeing a friend get traumatized by someone else's gesture of disrespect and dominance, or someone who thinks their right to mime rubbing their junk on someone is more important than any harm that they could accidentally do to a stranger whose history they have no knowledge about? Which is more of a loss, forgoing one stupid gesture or forgoing an entire portion of the game because people insist on doing that one stupid gesture?exeeter702 wrote: »...Need to develop that thick skin, which is especially easy in an online environment where you aremt even actually physically interacting with the person doing the "trashing". You really shouldnt put any stock into it... it's the person who gets upset by getting tea bagged that raises the loudest alarms and makes it a thing, where the person who tea bagged has already forgotten about it 2 minutes later.
"Just let toxic behavior reign free, leave it unchecked! It's not that bad! Get over it, crybabies. YOU'RE at fault for making it a big deal!"
The worst argument point, I've heard so far.
The fact that you categorize teabagging as toxic is what I find absurd. Its starts with that. Because ACTUAL genuine harassment from one person to another is absolutely not ok, but of course that shouldnt have to be said to begin with but here we are.1 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭I take it as the purest form of compliment to be tea bagged or get hate tells. It means in a see of players trying to kill them; you are the drop they noticed.0
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aurelius_fx✭✭✭No one is forcing you to turn your computer on, get in game, get in a competitive environment with strangers on the internet and stare at a virtual character crouching and standing up. It has as much meaning as you give it. Actively punishing it wouldn't stop the intent from bad people to be rude, in whatever other way. It's the internet.
It's pixels on screen. Look away. Turn your monitor off. Play a different game. You're as upset as you allow your mind to be.
Stalking, harassing and sending awkward whispers is a different subject, but, it's nothing that a mature, fully grown, mentally stable person can't handle.3 -
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✭✭Over the past 20 years every game I played with a toxic pvp community managed to kill their own game mode's popularity. I guess let humans be the poison of their own feeding grounds. They deserve it.0 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cryodiil seems okay though. So many people there it is hard to even remember a toxic player for long.0