Einher2137 wrote: »

Anyone thinking same? They adding a tons of new sets, when a lot of them are not meta. What is your opinion.

FTFY

I can already tell, Gaze of Sithis is pay to win. Sorcs are going to love this in pvp. 0 block reduction from Gaze of Sithis? Pffft, My magsorc runs snb backbar with shield wall ult, and overload front bar. No need for healing ward, we got crit surge.

Idk about stamblades though, blocking meteors and the last tick of curses is pretty important.

But I think Sithis is a noob friendly set since 99% of you forget to block anyway. Other than dawnbreaker and Incap, people seem to love receiving meteors and DK leaps with open arms.

WiseSky wrote: »

While we are at it, can we also remove 99% of Costumes, Styles and Motifs, They are all Useless because All I care is Damage output.

And lets remove 99% of the players as well, after all they cant do damage and just get in the way, clog up the dungeon queue and spam irritating requests in chat for help....

after all if you are not Godslayer you are not a valid player eh?

kargen27 wrote: »

Crafted sets are basically stepping stone sets made easily available to any player until they feel like going after the better sets. If crafted sets were boosted to be on par with drop sets there would be less incentive to run content. For an MMO to survive players need to participate in a variety of content. That is why good PvP sets come from trials. If players only interested in PVP could craft a top notch set they would have no reason to visit any other part of the game.

The other thing an MMO needs is new content. New sets are a part of that new content. I think there is a decent balance between how powerful sets are and where/when in the player/characters path to glory they will be used.

To do this, they could instead of content.. create a new purchising quest, very very dificult to complate- so buying them for crown doesnt guarantee ur will pass them. And after passing them, get a super special item/set piece.. etc. This woyld resolve the selling problem and at tge same time, ppl would like to pay 500crowns for a quest which may give u a special item, or set piece.

Imagine if it is a set, how many quest U need to buy/do to get the set? 10 atleast 100*500=50.000crown for a quest line..

They give us good story and very hard quest, without spending half of a year to create a big content, and by spanding less money, time. They give us good interesting quest. They dont destroy or do bad common content. Like U re saying. Bcz no need, they will have complately pararlel way to get incomes.

we give them money

NupidStoob wrote: »

It's an impossible task to completely balance this.

As I see balancing problem it starts when u have 3 roads, mahika, health and stamina, and dont exactly know what and how affect it to ur char. After this it comes the set. As the skillbalance is controlable by player.

So when u use a set for a specific build, u dont control it eficiently, bcz u dont control what includes Stamina or Magika

Einher2137 wrote: »

Anyone thinking same? They adding a tons of new sets, when a lot of them are useless piece of nothing. What is your opinion.

Its because right now, there is such a limited band on what is actually viable at high end play. You want to be a high-end mag DPS? It used to be you would build for a balance of max stats + spell damage, and you'd be good, so long as you had around 50% crit. Now? Crit build is the ONLY way to go in order to maximize damage, spell damage doesn't scale nearly as well off of max stats, so really, there are ONLY three stats you are looking to obtain from your gear: 1) critical chance, 2) critical damage, and 3) spell power; basically the same thing for stam builds, except stam obviously builds for weapon power.

Proc sets? Proc sets only boost your DPS by a flat amount - usually somewhere in the order of 1.3-1.6K dps on average. How so? Because you take how much damage the proc does and you divide it by the time between procs, and you get the average amount it is going to increase your DPS.

Straight spell power or max stat builds? Both are going to be much weaker than a crit build because there is no damage multiplier. (As a side note, I think this is the result of people not being forced to REALLY LEAN into crit builds - i.e., you can still obtain high spell/weapon damage, a solid crit chance, and a good amount of extra crit damage done easily, whereas you can't accumulate enough max spell/weapon damage or max stats to allow you to reach an average damage equivalent to a crit build).

The very bottom line here is that in PVE, it is about SUSTAINED damage over time, and there is really only a narrow band of builds that allow you to increase your sustained DPS, and those builds are limited to crit builds that boost all of your damaging spells/abilities.

What would be nice is to have a plethora of excellent sets, so that people really do have a reason to diversify their builds.

zvavi wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

There is something called fun.

You know what would be fun? If most sets were competitive and build diversity could flourish, instead of being shoehorned into the same old three sets for end game. That's the point of this thread, as I perceive it. Doing at least decent damage/healing/tanking with a variety of sets would be my definition of fun.

please, 5 piece bonuses like julianos add around 5% dps (semi meta) which means in non meta sets you should be able to fair pretty well with 10% damage loss tops. that's nothing. literally. a good player in a mediocre group will still be stronger than the other players, even if he is in non meta sets (that are btw usually tailored towards lots of group buffs that dont exist in said groups). your ability to run dungeons with that damage loss is barely hit. can you be stronger? ye sure. but saying build diversity doesnt exist when currently mag groups are using over 9 different sets:
BSW, mechanical acuity, master architect (vAS), siroria, mother's sorrow, medusa, z'en, elemental catalyst, (sometimes false gods), zaan, domihous, 2 crit, slimecraw
there is diversity. but you cant have too many sets that are BiS, but you can get similar results with less meta sets, like using moondancer for more mobile fights. Competitive is a term that is used only for the best of the best sets. but all sets are good enough for most content.

PS - damage loss is under assumption you lose 2 of the 5 piece bonuses, not exchange them.

What made you think I was talking about Julianos? lol. I'm already aware of the sets you listed and their functionality, as I've used almost all of them at one time or another. I'm referring *mostly* to actual useless sets that could be made so much better and still be fun. Obviously player skill will ultimately be the determining factor of most of one's dps, but why not have more fun and not gimp oneself? If the sets were better, it would encourage more build diversity and help raise the floor for newer players. I'm seeing that being lost more and more every year and am not of the opinion that only a very small handful of sets being "bis" is good; the difference between some of the best sets and some of the worst sets is too great. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with more choices?

If we are talking about proc sets, well, the answer is PvP. In PvE you can stand and parse, in PvP you can't. So proc sets offer more in PvP compared to PvE, and the need to balance both, leaves sets either useless in PvE or overpowered in PvP.

Which is yet another reason why PVE and PVP absolutely NEED to be balanced separately.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I love having lots of sets but I do agree that it's a problem that so many of them are so bad.

It's not that the sets are bad, it's that they aren't considered "meta" so everyone looks down upon them and players that use them.

There are tons of good sets out there. They just aren't on Alcast builds so nobody sees any value in them.

Can you mention .. 10 such sets, please? I have tried many sets (playing since beta), yet only a fraction are worth keeping/using. And that fraction is getting smaller with each DLC.

One set I like, and only for the effect, is Unfathomable Darkness, the one that transforms you into a shadow for several seconds. I think sets like these are fun for casual playing, sometimes I use sets like these for the visual effect, but besides that, they are mostly worthless.

There are wasted opportunities, such as Pelinal, which could help with hybrid builds, or good sets which only work in groups. I really hope they will delete at least half of the sets from the game one day. They are a nightmare for crafting writs. Second, I am totally in for sets which give you a good bonus at a cost, like a debuff or other drawback. The current 5 piece bonuses are mostly trash. 7-8 piece super sets would also be cool. But the devs found an easy way that "works" and they stick with it.

Armor sets sell DLCs.
They will always release sets.
A company's main job is to make profit, so they typically practice NEVER fixing old content.

They need more sets Because ... 90% of the current sets are useless