Andre_Noir wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Last Chapter was already quite light on PvP 'content' but we at least had the token bone thrown to us in the form of the Lancer. This update... they're not even trying to pretend that PvP is taken seriously any longer within their development pipeline.

Not rly. Monsters from IC and mystics (head/legs/and those for transform) are mostly for PVP

The Monsters are certainly primarily for PvP, but the only mythic that really is for PvP mostly is the head imo, as the legs dont seem to be for pvp at all and the transform thing doesnt seem great in general.

So in conclusion PvP players get 3 Monster sets (which dont necessarily seem good) and 1 - 2 new mythic items specifically for them, while PvE players get an entire zone, a new trial and companions which is all just exclusively for PvE?

really doesnt seems like a balanced solution...

Even when you take into account that there are way more PvE players than PvP players.

NoodleESO wrote: »

Combat balance changes do not count as a PVP content update. The pvp community is being starved of content, added dlc would thin the playerbase I understand but improvements to the existing system have been nonexistent for years.

Each year ESO gets 4 dungeons, 1 Trail, and 2 zones that all come with the works and incentives, at this point Zos should consider adding PvP content for a quarter instead of 2 more dungeons.

I only voice my concern because as a 4 year eso pvp player i've never seen the game so stale. Theres less people taking an interest to pvp each year and its getting to the point where you realize, you and the person you're fighting have both been waiting for that "big break" or "updated servers" zos will give us for 3 plus years.

But thats not coming, theres no new guilds, less new people, no update in the works, and more lag.

I've seen a lot of games do this. Case in point: EQ2 and GW2. They just ignored PvP, the population interested in that content dwindled, and then the "problem" of having to deal with it solved itself.

It has been a thorn in their side for years. They've tried some things, and nothing has worked. Why put additional resources and added content into something that isn't giving returns, with an increasingly shrinking population. So..I think they are just going to let it rot on the vine.

So, really, what is your master plan for what we can add to ESO to increase the PVP community? What new content is going to bring in new PVPers and not just split the current PVP playerbase further?

Balance pls. Nerf heavy armor, warden and necros. Buff templars and nb`s. Give us a counterplay against ballgroups.

Iccotak wrote: »

It's all about burning through everything with DPS - is it any wonder why no one really tries mixing things with healer or tanks in general overland? You don't need to, no matter your level.

The fact is that you don't have to think about what you are doing in Overland, because everything is so simple. Nothing is Dangerous and that makes questing Extremely Boring
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have you quested in Craglorn yet? Those are group only quests and areas overland that can wipe you OUT. And you really cant solo them. Unless you are up for an extreme challenge. There are Group Delves. (not dungeons, DELVES). The world bosses there are...interesting to fight. Their equivalent of dolmens...interesting to engage.

Then of course, you could also do Summersets equivalent of dolmens by yourself. If you can.

Or take on a dragon by yourself in Elsewyr. Cause that makes my CP1400 friends who do PVP think twice. And call on buddies to help. It requires group mechanics, and a ton of people. Tho DPS helps.

Or gather buddies and do the vet trials. Cause if you are a mechanics buff they are ALL about the mechanics, not necessarily the DPS.

Please dont say that PVE isnt challenging anymore. You just have to actually look at what is offered.

preevious wrote: »

The problem with PvP is that there's only so many ways players can attack each others.

Adding a zone would just dilute Cyrodiil's population in another zone, where the fighting would be..exactly the same.
Battlegrounds add some game mode, but same .. there's only so many things you can implement.

What new content could be proposed that would be a real change?

Glad you asked.
@ThorianB made an interesting post on the first page about what could be done. What incentives does a guild have for wanting to take and hold a keep/ Provence? There is none. The rewards are the same for faction surfing so why bother.

Could a Keep battle still be interesting if it was only 12 vs 12? Yes if there was actual depth to Sieges like guilds fighting for territory, resources, and the preservation of progress.

But instead we have 2 minute PVD speedruns, and shallow gameplay. If you're worried about thinning the pop why not reduce Cyrodiil to one server with 200v200v200 cap? Cyrodiil full? Okay try BGs, IC, or (insert new pvp zone).

Theres four whole Cyrodiil servers and you're worried about thinning the population?

I honestly think ESO has the best PVP combat of all the MMOs I’ve played. It’s certainly the most engaging to me. This is why it bums me out that it isn’t being developed further.

This opinion is based on my experience playing battlegrounds for the past 2 years. I have very little experience playing cyrodiil as it just isn’t my cup of tea.

You mean that Group content is harder than Solo oriented content? Wow, you don't say /s

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Notice how I SPECIFICALLY pointed to Solo Questing & Exploration NOT group oriented content like WB and Dolmens - or Craglorn. I am talking about making the Solo experience engaging, I am not referring or proposing to make everything requiring a group to accomplish.

I can say that Questing and Exploration in ESO is not challenging or engaging in its gameplay, and I am not the only one who has said this - the group activities are practically separate from everything else in a zone. It is a false equivalence and has never been a valid argument.

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EDIT: It is a tiring when people say that if you want the gameplay to be engaging then go play group content. That is entirely missing the point of what I am saying - I want the Solo Questing Gameplay experience to be stimulating, which I and many others think is actually worth considering when you look at the hundreds of hours that can be invested in questing alone.

I should not have to go to a corner of the game to be stimulated, I want both good writing and an enjoyable gameplay experience - that doesn't mean I want everything as hard as a Vet HM Trial but I don't want it ONLY on beginner level either.[/quote]

**_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________And my thoughts are it is tiring when people keep railing on that the game should be made more difficult because of how easy the game is for them when they are at endpoint levels when millions of players of the same game arent nearly at their level.

If the solo content is now too tame for you, take on group content solo. Its an easy fix. Each of the group areas have a quest/stories associated with them usually and you can approach these as solo quests befitting your level of expertise. I have many high level guildmates who vet DLC dungeons solo because of this. Its a badge of honor in our guild. And yet these same guildmates will happily run a normal dungeon with noobs to help them.

If the game is no longer challenging for you you have several options. 1) Play group content solo. Seek out and find new challenges 2) change how you do the game by changing your focus from only wanting your level of solo gameplay in the world despite millions of others using the same system who are not at your level, to seeing if you can help others get to your level of expertise, which will inherently force the increase of difficulty across the board eventually. 4) continue to complain they dont have content everywhere in the game just for high level players who have invested years, even tho ZOS changed from that format years ago because it limited the number of players who could utilize the game across the board ie: they had it like you wanted it and people hated it 3) leave the game.

Andre_Noir wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

That is why Maelstorm Arena is popular, but PVP not so much anymore.

Just move fire staff from there to Cyro and we will see what popular is and why

Jierdanit wrote: »

while PvE players get an entire zone, a new trial and companions which is all just exclusively for PvE?

It's silly to said "PvE players get an entire zone" because any zone except Craglorn, IC and Cyro is the storymode-zone without any challenge at all. Companions are basicly semi-non-combat pets for grinding another passive skill. Once ppl level and dress them to slutmogs - they forgot about them.
About trials... I never been at KA and have no plans to visit it even now. But I like to do vet-DLC dungeons, some of them with HM, some of them I just like. But there you can realize that PVE community is very small becasue even at pledge day it's hard to find a group even in guilds sometimes

What would you call a new zone though, if im not allowed to call it PvE content?
Because i think most people would see both the new zone and companions, as well as the trial as PvE content, even if its not your type of PvE content.

Also you still get i think 4 new DLC dungeons every year, in comparison to the nothing that PvP players get extra.
So I dont think you can complain in regards to that.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

ESO has been shifting in general from a PvP stance at launch to focus more on the PvE side (and the solo PvErs at that), and I don't think anyone will doubt that fact.

Well I do. When I took part in the Beta I played the main quest line, which is, of course, entirely PvE and requires you to solo a number of quests. Had the game be PvP focused or even PvP only, I'd never have registered at all.

I don't understand what 90% PVE you are talking about here. For pve, we only have one trial and one arena or mini trial per year + 4 dungeons. And that's not enough for many PVE players. Overland and questing are not PVE, they are too easy and casual. Sometimes, even in prime time, it is very difficult to find a party for 6 keys.
I have been playing this game for 7 years now and more and more I notice that players are not divided into pve and pvp players. They are divide for casual players and non-casual players. Of course, for a casual player pvp is a real hell. But even I have a few such friends who do not mind sometimes spending their time in Cyrodiil and do not see anything bad to be killed in the game.