I wouldn't count on PVP getting anything new until ZOS can fix the performance problems with the PVP that they already have.

And I wouldn't count on that happening anytime soon.

I always enjoy reading these unpopular opinion threads. Never know what they contain, and always neat to hear other opinions on different subjects 😁

NoodleESO wrote: »

Why not increase the PVP community so performance becomes high demand and worth the time and money? I believe you have this backwards but hey its an unpopular opinion.

This begs the question: will adding new PvP content increase the numbers of players in PvP, or just further split the current PvP base?

ESO has been shifting in general from a PvP stance at launch to focus more on the PvE side (and the solo PvErs at that), and I don't think anyone will doubt that fact. The idea is that there are a lot of Elder Scrolls fans that were really against ESO in the first place - The Elder Scrolls is a series of single player games, not an MMO, and there were loads of fans that refused to even consider this game canon. That's been softening lately, and they've been playing into nostalgia quite a bit and drawing those fans in.

The PvE side, specifically the solo PvErs, are now really a large portion of the player base, and those are exactly the people who will not touch PvP with a ten foot pole. We already have people making new "Why are you forcing us into PvP!" threads every Midyear Mayhem, and it'll only get more frequent when Endeavors drop ("What do you mean I need to do Bruma quests to get my seals!" "I got ganked at the door!" "We need PvE Cyrodiil!"). Now Endeavors are a way that they could support more people getting into PvP, but there's just as good a chance that it'll just lead to more complaints on the forum about being forced into content that people don't want to do.

Adding new PvP content sounds like a good idea, but knowing the playerbase it may only shift the PvP population around without really bringing anyone else in. We know that they removed selectable BG games since the playerbase wasn't large enough to support both choosing games and grouping, now imagine if half of the BG players now were off in another mode.

I think one of the biggest things that prevents people from getting into PvP is the fact that you need such a different build for it - in PvE stamina is basically useless, but it's the complete opposite in PvP. It doesn't help that every update has massive changes for sets, which more often than not ends up a hefty nerf to PvE while not really fixing the problem it had in PvP or vice versa. It also takes a different type of player who likes the competition - changing a PvEr into a PvPer in ESO is probably much harder than getting a PvPer from a different MMO to swap into ESO instead. If they wanted to go that road, they'd need to figure out how to entice other player from other games, without - most importantly - turning away their massive solo PvE base.

NoodleESO wrote: »

The pvp community is being starved of content,

You think that's unpopular? That's all I ever hear around the Forum whenever a new Chapter is announced.

We could at least get Eld Angavar back on the playlist. Has anybody had that rink this patch?

NoodleESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I wouldn't count on PVP getting anything new until ZOS can fix the performance problems with the PVP that they already have.

And I wouldn't count on that happening anytime soon.

Right but if the Pvp player base dwindles down then why would a studio need allocate the resources for preformance? PvP performance becomes irrelevant if theres only a minority of players complaining about it.

Why not increase the PVP community so performance becomes high demand and worth the time and money? I believe you have this backwards but hey its an unpopular opinion.

How exactly do you draw in new players for PvP when performance is bad in the first place? The new player experience would be negative, because of the performance, and they would not continue to participate.

Only when your system is running well so that PvP is about the skill and not the Bugs, THEN is when you want to attract new players.

First impressions last forever.

I have done pvp for more than 20 years in more than a hundred games and ESO is in the bottom 5 for PVP. When i want to PVP i log out of ESO not into it. PVP was attempted 3 times in ESO and all 3 times they failed with it. PVP is not very popular in ESO. I, personally, find the combat system to be horrible for pvp but that is only one of many problems. The 3 faction thing is also kind of cheesy at this point. You can tell they kind of got away from that since they first introduced cyro but it still a core mechanic in pvp which actually makes it worse not better.

All PVP currently in ESO needs to be scrapped. Cyro and IC needs to be turned into PVE zones. Then they need to redesign battlegrounds with the same effort and care they design dungeons. None of that 3 faction circle jerk nonsense. Each battleground should be a unique scenario with objectives tailored to that battleground.

Scrap the whole faction war thing and use Oblivion pocket realms to allow guilds to acquire "land" and build cities and fortifications. Then develop a guild war pvp system based around guild cities.

PVP needs to be something people get excited about and people want to do. Sieges and defending against sieges ( like Shadowbane had) when its your own build city and fortifications is a lot more interesting than horse simulator galloping around taking forts when the other side has low pops.

Like in every PvE based story driven RPG. PvP is a mini game addon. Never expected it to be priority. PvPers make up less of the community than hardcore trial/raiders do.

You can always tell this when they try to balance PvE skills around PvP which is mathematically impossible to do, oh but they keep trying to do it. This is in ever game that has both from ESO, to Division 1 and 2. They make changes, and break PvE then have to push out fixes for the 98% of the playerbase which then just makes PvP terrible again.

PvP is a lost cause, they have given up on it completely. Apart from shaking up combat balance with every update, there hasn't been a change to PvP for years (apart from a new bg map being thrown in from time to time).
Basically all long time PvP players have quit the game, Cyrodiil performance continues to deteriorate, even though the playerbase is dying off, and afaik there are no actual plans to improve PvP in a meaningful way.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

PVP doesn't sell DLC and chapters. Stories and collectables do. Look at Imperial City as an example.

A PVP DLC was a year one deal only. You will never see it again and good riddance. It should be looked at as an afterthought and not a main selling point. This isn't Fortnite.

IC failed because it was a hybrid and it is actually hard content. You dont see guilds advertising running a group in there because everyone knows they're gonna get ripped apart from 3-4 excellent pvp players and lose all of their tel var. IC can not be compared to the rest of pvp its like saying public dungeons and trials are the same thing.