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Templar Changes, no love for stam?
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ResidentContrarian✭✭✭✭✭No love for pure stamplar, but certainly a massive buff for any of the rare hybrid templars like me out there.
As for living dark, on my experimental stamplar it is worth slotting if you have the bar space and enough mag regen.
However, the problem with both heal changes is that ZOS forgot crit healing is important. The heals on there need to stack with the highest crit statistic - doesn't seem like it does so on PTS, which is why it's not an appealing change for anyone that isn't either mag or hybrid enough to have enough spell crit for it to become significant.
Without crit healing, living dark is worthless for any offensive build, and so is the rune.
Many of stamplar's problems could be alleviated if skills simply took highest offensive stat into account and were allowed to use skills that cost mag with less consequence. Then again, the entire game's mag and stam divide and balance would be less significant if crit were a single stat, and it would essentially "buff" everyone one way or another.
But, players can dream. Who knows what the balance team intends...0 -
ealdwin✭✭✭✭✭
✭ResidentContrarian wrote: »Then again, the entire game's mag and stam divide and balance would be less significant if crit were a single stat, and it would essentially "buff" everyone one way or another.
They started the process of doing that, but for some reason stopped. There are sets out there that have 657 Critical Chance, while others still have Weapon or Spell Critical.
ZOS really needs to finish the job of combining Weapon and Spell Critical as Critical Chance, Physical and Spell Penetration as Offensive Penetration, and Physical and Magical Resistance as Armor.
THEN, finish the job of hybridizing the offensive benefits of Armor/Weapon skills by doing the following:- Light Armor provides Offensive Penetration and Critical Chance (instead of just Spell Pen and Spell Critical)
- Medium Armor provides Weapon & Spell Damage and Critical Chance (instead of just Weapon Damage and Weapon Crit)
- Destruction Staves provide Offensive Penetration (instead of just Physical Pen)
- Restoration Staves provide % Healing Done (instead of with just Restoration Staff spells)
- One Hand and Shield provides Weapon & Spell Damage instead of just Weapon Damage
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gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭um stam templar is OP, as with all stam. no more love for stam, ty.
Are you joking? LmaoPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden2 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »The biggest issue for PvE Stamplar now is the fact sets got nerfed with the proc changes so if you think Stamplar was bad before just wait till you are wearing wet noodles...
They just want us to build towards jabbing.
In what pve setting?
In organized groups you should have at least 7-8k wpd, so Relequen should hit harder now if anything.0 -
UnassumingNoob✭✭✭✭The Templar changes are mainly for tanks. Both Mag and Stam dps could use love.2
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INe_Saninus✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »
Post like that usually come from players that don't have experience with multiple classes.
The only place mag is lacking in pvp is 1vx.
They're typically better in large group/zergs and at least hold their own in small group while adding a lot more group utility.
Mag is also strong in duels.
Calling players out for their bias usually just ends with you getting in trouble with the mods.
Best to just ignore them.
Any truly experienced player knows that while there is a tier list, most players aren't of a skill level for it to matter.5 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »
Post like that usually come from players that don't have experience with multiple classes.
The only place mag is lacking in pvp is 1vx.
They're typically better in large group/zergs and at least hold their own in small group while adding a lot more group utility.
Mag is also strong in duels.
Calling players out for their bias usually just ends with you getting in trouble with the mods.
Best to just ignore them.
Any truly experienced player knows that while there is a tier list, most players aren't of a skill level for it to matter.
fair enoughPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden1 -
notyuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭INe_Saninus wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »
Post like that usually come from players that don't have experience with multiple classes.
The only place mag is lacking in pvp is 1vx.
They're typically better in large group/zergs and at least hold their own in small group while adding a lot more group utility.
Mag is also strong in duels.
Calling players out for their bias usually just ends with you getting in trouble with the mods.
Best to just ignore them.
Any truly experienced player knows that while there is a tier list, most players aren't of a skill level for it to matter.
This is a thread about stamina templar and the fact that comapred to their mag counterparts they are rather underwhelming to the nth degree.
@INe_Saninus
but if you could share knowldge of how exsactly stamina templar is and i quote "OP" then I'd be greatful as I am having a hard time finding the class skills and passives (with the exception of jabs, which is strong af and eating the entire power budget) anything more than underwhelming compared to the other stamspecs I've tried...with the exception of stam DK, but that's a whole different story.0 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Stamplar is still better than magplar, magblade, magdk, magden and magcro so you are not at bad spot.
You lost me at magden and magcro lmfao. Magcro is literally top tier at the moment, insane burst and even more insane healing. If you want some proof let me know because the only reason people say it sucks is because they haven't figured out how to play it properly.Edited by Extinct_Solo_Player on May 5, 2021 1:52PM3 -
INe_Saninus✭✭✭@notyuu
I've already replied once and my post was removed so let me try again...
You're replying to the wrong person.
Reread the conversation.
(Looks around nervously for mods to come delete this reply)0 -
notyuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Armethius
If you could share knowldge of how exsactly stamina templar is and i quote "OP" then I'd be greatful as I am having a hard time finding the class skills and passives (with the exception of jabs, which is strong af and eating the entire power budget) anything more than underwhelming compared to the other stamspecs I've tried...with the exception of stam DK, but that's a whole different story.
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[*] Stamina Templar has been the pvp punching bag since the greymoore lauch
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. Jabplars are insanely OP right now.
You find spamming jabs boring and want to be able to do something else? I support that. But let's not pretend spamming jabs doesn't do nonsensical amounts of damage.Edited by MasterSpatula on May 5, 2021 9:05PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »[*] Stamina Templar has been the pvp punching bag since the greymoore lauch
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. Jabplars are insanely OP right now.
You find spamming jabs boring and want to be able to do something else? I support that. But let's not pretend spamming jabs doesn't do nonsensical amounts of damage.
It doesnt.
Don't go in a fight naked, dont facetank jabs with no defenses, get major evasion or snare removal and jabs become a joke to deal with.
You are welcome.4 -
notyuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »
in pve yeah, jabs is the be all and end all of damage application spamables
in pvp I can count on both hands the number of people I have encountered since greymoore released that have taken more than 500 damage per jabs hit (and if ya go "run more pen" I'm running 15134 pen and just shy of 6.5k wd) so something needs to be done, no?2 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »[*] Stamina Templar has been the pvp punching bag since the greymoore lauch
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. Jabplars are insanely OP right now.
You find spamming jabs boring and want to be able to do something else? I support that. But let's not pretend spamming jabs doesn't do nonsensical amounts of damage.
It doesnt.
Don't go in a fight naked, dont facetank jabs with no defenses, get major evasion or snare removal and jabs become a joke to deal with.
You are welcome.
People like that actually blow my mind. At low skill level, I understand how people can feel that way, but once you fight skilled opponents, good luck landing any of your jabs lmaoPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden1 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »[*] Stamina Templar has been the pvp punching bag since the greymoore lauch
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. Jabplars are insanely OP right now.
You find spamming jabs boring and want to be able to do something else? I support that. But let's not pretend spamming jabs doesn't do nonsensical amounts of damage.
It doesnt.
Don't go in a fight naked, dont facetank jabs with no defenses, get major evasion or snare removal and jabs become a joke to deal with.
You are welcome.
People like that actually blow my mind. At low skill level, I understand how people can feel that way, but once you fight skilled opponents, good luck landing any of your jabs lmao
Templar is actually one of the best classes at bellow average/low skill levels, due to having an easy to play offensive kit.
Vs people that actually fight back, well yeah..3