Anyron wrote: »

Also overland is so easy you can solo almost everything

I think you're missing the point.

I really hope ZOS sees how harmful this change is to social, RP and trading guilds and realizes that this change is a mistake regardless of what rationale there was behind it.

If anything, they should increase the group limit to 32 or even 40, and raise player limits in houses to 40 as well.

jaws343 wrote: »

The changes seem intended to get ahead of problems with the companions. I expect they don't want 24 player groups with 24 companions running around. Knocking groups down to 12 keeps the group maximum limit at 24 when you take companions into account.

This is probably it, but it's still a bad idea.

In trials/dungeons, companions cannot be used if the trial or dungeon is already full of players. They cannot exceed their maximum population allowance for the area. Meaning in a trial that only has ten actual players, only two people are allowed to use companions to fill out the group.

If overloading the outdoor PvE area is a problem, (But would it? Pretend the twenty four people were all strangers playing solo and they decided to attack WB at the same time with their companions. Wouldn't that just be the same as a twenty four person group all with companions? Anyway...) they can set a limitation similar to the trial/dungeon limitation and make it so the twenty four person group limit could be made up of players and companions combined.
So for example, twenty players in a group, only four could use companions.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Maybe I missed it, but it appears they did not revert the change. Still 12 person limit.

😔

We need to raise our voices more often and louder then in the PTS forums while hoping ZoS gives a damn about us.

I've taken the beating from everyone that hates this change, but since you asked for all feedback from players: I'm glad the group size is being limited to 12. It's better for the game in every area except group events like what OP speaks of.

12 is what pvp should have been for the longest time and changing it like that everywhere might help pvpers realize it's not going back up to 24. 12 is max for trials. 12 is max scaling for a lot of events and the drops you can earn. And in anything combat related in the game, like world bosses and events, more than 12 (even 12 really) stops players from learning mechanics and creates uneducated players when they have to fight that later without the zerg. The game would be healthier with more players learning it better.

NOW, that being said, the only thing I can see an argument for is for RP and similar guild events.

Though honestly you guys need to stop using the 'instance' reasoning. It makes you look like you are exaggerating to make a point which takes away from the point. You should travel to someone you are trying to instance with whether you are in a group or not, the fact it prioritizes it to people in your group won't stop it from splitting you up unless it's a dead zone. So if you should already be traveling that way to avoid issues, which means being in a group or not changes nothing about the instancing issue. Instead focus on the other issues that not being in a group causes IMO.

Personally, I think this is an opportunity to maybe push zos to create something different in a future patch for QoL for RPers and other event focused groupings. Maybe a new sort of temporary guild or event group feature that didn't create a combat ready group, ie maybe no formal group frame (Maybe just a name list instead of health bars), nor did it use chevrons to mark mates, but maybe something even less intrusive to signify those participating. And they could create different rule sets than normal groups as well, like maybe not counting companions toward the cap, or maybe having a feature to not allow companions at all, allow event groups larger than 24, etc.

I think the change to group size of 12 is for more than just for the heck of it and is happening regardless of how much complaining there is. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. So I think focusing on a different request that maybe improved what was needed for event groups and still allowed for max 12 man combat groups would go farther and maybe get even more QoL features than a normal group has now.

Anyway, that's my thoughts. I know plenty would rather just not have something change and use what works for them now. Can't fault you for that.