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CP CAP IS WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO HIGH
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Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭echo2omega wrote: »It is a significant amount of vertical progression.
Not sure why everyone feels that they need to be min / maxed.
All of the content (ALL OF THE CONTENT) including veteran trials speed run | hard mode | no death WELL below 1800 CP.
yes but i dont pve, i pvp. and at a high level too. a simple 2% healing increase, or 4% damage mitigation is WELL enough to swing the tide of a duel or fight. the amount of vertical progression to play pvp on a high level is really really big
It is. But you can always play in the NO CP campaigns until you get your CP high enough to be on a more equal footing.
oh i grinded to cp 2k, i endured it, but i still heavily dislike the powerdifference even though i am at the soft cap point myself.
and i dont like no cp, its less sustain there and my friends play on main campaign faction lock.0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
Just play the game and enjoy the ride. It's much more fun when you just relax. Besides, it means you can still enjoy progressing.1 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sitting here, laughing, waiting for the inevitable second round of CP needs on PTS next week.1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
I am new here so I may be missing something. Yes, it takes more CP to reach 1800 than 810. That would be exactly 990 more CP so it is more than double.
Not sure of the significance of either number but I am at about CP 310 now.0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
I am new here so I may be missing something. Yes, it takes more CP to reach 1800 than 810. That would be exactly 990 more CP so it is more than double.
Not sure of the significance of either number but I am at about CP 310 now.
It takes almost the exact same about of XP to get from 0-1200 on the new system as it did to get from 0-810 on the old system.
And thank goodness because 99%+ of your vertical progression is done by the time you get to CP1200... above that is miniscule.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points2 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why do you feel you need to be at the cap?
It's the journey, not the destination.
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Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
I am new here so I may be missing something. Yes, it takes more CP to reach 1800 than 810. That would be exactly 990 more CP so it is more than double.
Not sure of the significance of either number but I am at about CP 310 now.
It takes almost the exact same about of XP to get from 0-1200 on the new system as it did to get from 0-810 on the old system.
And thank goodness because 99%+ of your vertical progression is done by the time you get to CP1200... above that is miniscule.
it was a typo, he meant to say XP not CP, meaning the new cap for a newer player like yourself, requires you to farm about 3x more XP to reach the effective max lvl (soft cap) than it would have, if we still were in CP system 1.00 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
I am new here so I may be missing something. Yes, it takes more CP to reach 1800 than 810. That would be exactly 990 more CP so it is more than double.
Not sure of the significance of either number but I am at about CP 310 now.
the sentence above was meant for you^^
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Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭echo2omega wrote: »It is a significant amount of vertical progression.
Not sure why everyone feels that they need to be min / maxed.
All of the content (ALL OF THE CONTENT) including veteran trials speed run | hard mode | no death WELL below 1800 CP.
yes but i dont pve, i pvp. and at a high level too. a simple 2% healing increase, or 4% damage mitigation is WELL enough to swing the tide of a duel or fight. the amount of vertical progression to play pvp on a high level is really really big
It is. But you can always play in the NO CP campaigns until you get your CP high enough to be on a more equal footing.
oh i grinded to cp 2k, i endured it, but i still heavily dislike the powerdifference even though i am at the soft cap point myself.
and i dont like no cp, its less sustain there and my friends play on main campaign faction lock.
Powerdifference in PvP is important in mmorpgs, be it from level or from Gear. Otherwise you need to play a Shooter or something if you want a game that only focuses on playerskill.Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....1 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭echo2omega wrote: »It is a significant amount of vertical progression.
Not sure why everyone feels that they need to be min / maxed.
All of the content (ALL OF THE CONTENT) including veteran trials speed run | hard mode | no death WELL below 1800 CP.
yes but i dont pve, i pvp. and at a high level too. a simple 2% healing increase, or 4% damage mitigation is WELL enough to swing the tide of a duel or fight. the amount of vertical progression to play pvp on a high level is really really big
It is. But you can always play in the NO CP campaigns until you get your CP high enough to be on a more equal footing.
oh i grinded to cp 2k, i endured it, but i still heavily dislike the powerdifference even though i am at the soft cap point myself.
and i dont like no cp, its less sustain there and my friends play on main campaign faction lock.
Powerdifference in PvP is important in mmorpgs, be it from level or from Gear. Otherwise you need to play a Shooter or something if you want a game that only focuses on playerskill.
the issue itself wasnt that there is a powerdifference. please read the thread in full before making such remarks. the issue is that they made already "max" level players feel quite brand new, by forcing them to grind A LOT more xp to once again be evenly matched with other "max" level playersEdited by Flaaklypa on April 13, 2021 7:07AM0 -
Knockmaker✭✭✭✭I am sure majority of eso players started eso partly because it wasn't grind-heavy like many other mmos. This, however, seems to be no longer the case.
First the psijic, then scrying and now new cp system. This game is turning into one of those many generic mmos where you'd have to grind like soldier every day.
Not only does the cp cap is too high, but it is also not as easy and fast to grind cp as they claimed, let alone the fact that the concept of "grind" itself is getting more and more involved in eso is deeply concerning.
And, no, even with double exp event and exp scrolls, it is still a huge effort.Edited by Knockmaker on April 13, 2021 7:56AM0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WAY TO HIGH. the cap is supposed to be easier to reach, not harder. it requires way more cp to get to 1800 now, than the old 810.
[Edit to remove bashing]
I am new here so I may be missing something. Yes, it takes more CP to reach 1800 than 810. That would be exactly 990 more CP so it is more than double.
Not sure of the significance of either number but I am at about CP 310 now.
It takes almost the exact same about of XP to get from 0-1200 on the new system as it did to get from 0-810 on the old system.
And thank goodness because 99%+ of your vertical progression is done by the time you get to CP1200... above that is miniscule.
it was a typo, he meant to say XP not CP, meaning the new cap for a newer player like yourself, requires you to farm about 3x more XP to reach the effective max lvl (soft cap) than it would have, if we still were in CP system 1.0
I stand by my statement.
The XP needed to get from 0-810 in the old system is the same as to get from 0-1200 in the new. At 1200 CP, you are essential at your maximum "power", with only minimal gains beyond that.
I was very precise and exact in my wording.
Edit 1: It's actually only a little over 2x as much 435m to 1800 versus 195m to 810 in the old system
Edit 2: "newer player"? lol... I've been playing since launch day
Edited by tmbrinks on April 13, 2021 12:05PMThe Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points1 -
Blue_Radium✭✭✭I think it's nice that as long as you're playing, you're making level progress and powering up a bit. If you want to skip it you can set aside time to CP grind, preferably during double exp events, and get to a spot you won't need to think about it anymore.1 -
Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭echo2omega wrote: »It is a significant amount of vertical progression.
Not sure why everyone feels that they need to be min / maxed.
All of the content (ALL OF THE CONTENT) including veteran trials speed run | hard mode | no death WELL below 1800 CP.
yes but i dont pve, i pvp. and at a high level too. a simple 2% healing increase, or 4% damage mitigation is WELL enough to swing the tide of a duel or fight. the amount of vertical progression to play pvp on a high level is really really big
It is. But you can always play in the NO CP campaigns until you get your CP high enough to be on a more equal footing.
oh i grinded to cp 2k, i endured it, but i still heavily dislike the powerdifference even though i am at the soft cap point myself.
and i dont like no cp, its less sustain there and my friends play on main campaign faction lock.
Powerdifference in PvP is important in mmorpgs, be it from level or from Gear. Otherwise you need to play a Shooter or something if you want a game that only focuses on playerskill.
the issue itself wasnt that there is a powerdifference. please read the thread in full before making such remarks. the issue is that they made already "max" level players feel quite brand new, by forcing them to grind A LOT more xp to once again be evenly matched with other "max" level players
Sorry, I didnt quite finish my thought there.
The Players who put in more time deserve to have better gear/better damage.
If you want to compete you also need to put in the time.
Thats mmorpg-PvP, the grind is part of it.Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh no, we are not immediately all capped and will need a few months to catch up to be min-maxed again.
Oh, the humanity of having progression in a game!
Personally pretty excited about it and I'm around the previous CP cap.
Your statement it is progression is having your power diminished and working to be just as strong as you was. 1200 - 1400 CP is about the same CP as 810 was. Moving forward from 1400 CP will be progression. There would be no arguments if players were as powerful as before and they needed moving forward.
Your statement is the equivalent of stating delete your account, purchase a new account and make a new character. It is now progression gearing up to be at the same point.
Welcome to the world of MMOs, in which there has to be a realignment of progression every so often otherwise power creep moves from the absurd to the ridiculous and instead of people complaining about overland content being too easy they start complaining that people are face-rolling veteran dungeons and trials.
Personally I like the idea of the cap being pushed further out of my reach as it gives me something to strive for. If others feel the need to have it all by yesterday and want to grind quick progression instead of just playing the game and letting things advance naturally then that's fine for them, but they shouldn't complain about it as it's entirely their free choice given that it's clearly established that the higher CP levels aren't actually essential to have at this time.0 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭WE DID IT, THEY ARE REDUCING POINTS MAKING CP SOFT CAP EASIER TO REACH!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler thank you so much!
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Oliviander✭✭✭✭Just went from CP 1385 to 1840 doing more than 3000 Master writs during anniversary event.
Hopefully it will still be worth it after the reduction
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renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oliviander wrote: »Just went from CP 1385 to 1840 doing more than 3000 Master writs during anniversary event.
Hopefully it will still be worth it after the reduction
of course it'll still be worth it after the reduction because you'll still have those CP to be able to put into EVERYTHING needed and then get on the passives.0 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am really happy that I do not need to grind
This was what zos promised anyway
Being able to reach soft cap at 1200, not being half-builded
So I am glad they took their promise
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Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭Cirantille wrote: »I am really happy that I do not need to grind
This was what zos promised anyway
Being able to reach soft cap at 1200, not being half-builded
So I am glad they took their promise
For real! Even though its 1 patch late, better than never!1 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And of course it will still be useful to you because you wouldn't need to respec since you can get more slottables
I am just glad to be able to purchase things needed for my builds, I dont mind respeccing and slowly leveling cps
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The question is: are these CP stage restrictions forever or are they going to be phasing them back a la how they raised the old CP cap?
Because if they are gone for good then everyone is catching a giant permanent nerf to their characters.0 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »The question is: are these CP stage restrictions forever or are they going to be phasing them back a la how they raised the old CP cap?
Because if they are gone for good then everyone is catching a giant permanent nerf to their characters.
yes and thats completely fine to be nerfed, dps is too high anyway, especially in PvE. They even said they wanted to reduce the top-end power of players, which they have now.
This is a better solution, and has made the new cp rework finally good.
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LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭Let's see..
CP 840 = 98% of Healer performance
- 200 (600) for the 4 slotables
- 40 (120) max main stat
- 40 (120) max crit
CP 960 = 98% of DPS performance
- 40 (120) max Piercing
CP 1020 = Max Healer performance- 60 (180) in Extended Might for another 100 weapon/spell damage
CP 1170 = Max DPS performance- 70 (210) in Extended Might for max status effect chance and 100 weapon/spell damage
CP 1290 = Max DPS + Utility- 40 (120) Max off-stat
CP 1650 = Max DPS + Survivability- 160 (480) in Staving Death for a whopping 4% healing recieved +4% resistance in PVP (+12% in PVE)
CP 1770 = All of the above
CP 1980 = Max Everything- 70 (210) in Extended Might for max off-stat dps
CP 3600 = Max flexibility- Up to 10 maxed out slotables to switch in on demand.
That's really cool. Thanks for your data
No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LightYagami wrote: »Let's see..
CP 840 = 98% of Healer performance
- 200 (600) for the 4 slotables
- 40 (120) max main stat
- 40 (120) max crit
CP 960 = 98% of DPS performance
- 40 (120) max Piercing
CP 1020 = Max Healer performance- 60 (180) in Extended Might for another 100 weapon/spell damage
CP 1170 = Max DPS performance- 70 (210) in Extended Might for max status effect chance and 100 weapon/spell damage
CP 1290 = Max DPS + Utility- 40 (120) Max off-stat
CP 1650 = Max DPS + Survivability- 160 (480) in Staving Death for a whopping 4% healing recieved +4% resistance in PVP (+12% in PVE)
CP 1770 = All of the above
CP 1980 = Max Everything- 70 (210) in Extended Might for max off-stat dps
CP 3600 = Max flexibility- Up to 10 maxed out slotables to switch in on demand.
That's really cool. Thanks for your data
Incorrect data...0 -
Anonx31st✭✭✭By allowing players to be able to gain CP after cap, there is now a even bigger CP difference than before. Now new players have to compete with people who has CP in 1500+ already lol.0