That doesn't fix the bots. They will find another place to be bots.

Sure, and let's make all the crafting nodes a one time thing, and then make it so monsters just don't respawn. That way nobody would be able to play it any other way then what you think is the correct way.

But, they wouldn't sell as many copies if they did that. I know I wouldn't play it.

Well then, expand it and make so you cannot farm any mobs. You get no drops and no exp after a certain amount of kills. Forcing you to move on to other adventures/quests. Grinding/farming is 90's *** anyways.

Preventing bosses and rare drops to be farmed is a first step, and a VERY easy one to implement.

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No man. Leathers are hard enough to stock without being limited too.

Rologue wrote: »

Well then, expand it and make so you cannot farm any mobs. You get no drops and no exp after a certain amount of kills. Forcing you to move on to other adventures/quests. Grinding/farming is 90's *** anyways.

Preventing bosses and rare drops to be farmed is a first step, and a VERY easy one to implement.

No man. Leathers are hard enough to stock without being limited too.[/quote]

Craft materials do not have to be involved. If people like grinding and farming mobs for craft stuff, well let them and let it drop (but not the real stuff). But bosses do not have to drop that...

KerinKor wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

That doesn't fix the bots. They will find another place to be bots.

Well then, expand it and make so you cannot farm any mobs. You get no drops and no exp after a certain amount of kills. Forcing you to move on to other adventures/quests. Grinding/farming is 90's *** anyways.

Preventing bosses and rare drops to be farmed is a first step, and a VERY easy one to implement.

Yeah, let's prevent players playing the game so the RMT can't either.

And in spite of your expletive reference to grinding, this game demands it too, leveling crafting requires a massive grind in deconning items from drops and leveling clothing of course means grinding beast mobs .. so your oh-so-easy idea means leveling clothing becomes impossible.

I love those who come her proclaiming they have an EASY solution, and then proceed to post utterly worthless ideas.

Bosses do not have to be grinded to farm craft ***. Let them farm other stuff and not bosses that people need to kill for quests and stuff.

The fix i propose is first of all to prevent BOSSES from being farmed/exploited in public dungeons.

KerinKor wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

That doesn't fix the bots. They will find another place to be bots.

Well then, expand it and make so you cannot farm any mobs. You get no drops and no exp after a certain amount of kills. Forcing you to move on to other adventures/quests. Grinding/farming is 90's *** anyways.

Preventing bosses and rare drops to be farmed is a first step, and a VERY easy one to implement.

Yeah, let's prevent players playing the game so the RMT can't either.

And in spite of your expletive reference to grinding, this game demands it too, leveling crafting requires a massive grind in deconning items from drops and leveling clothing of course means grinding beast mobs .. so your oh-so-easy idea means leveling clothing becomes impossible.

I love those who come her proclaiming they have an EASY solution, and then proceed to post utterly worthless ideas.

As for your reply to the other poster, your '10-year-old' and 'you bot' comments show the depth of your thinking, I'd use the term 'ad hominem' because that's what those comments of yours are but there's no way you'll know what that means.

His comment was simply taking your crass solution to the problem and taking it to a logical conclusion since farming bots are bots like bots that kill mobs: of course, to see that you need to be able to follow logical reasoning, I can see that it may be hard for some.

It is an EASY solution, and it will fix boss camping. It wont HURT anyone but bots.

If it does, please be so very kind and tell me exactly how it would hurt your gameplay?

As I said, if you don't like the idea, feel free to describe how it would hurt your own gameplay not being able to get DROPS from a BOSS more than once per 5 hours. (in public dungeons and other public areas)

Pewpie wrote: »

Do not allow anyone to farm bosses. There is no reason whatsoever that anyone should do it.

It is as simple as just make a boss mob drop NOTHING and give NO EXP after you have killed it for at least 5 hours.

Fixed. You wont see any more bots around public dungeon bosses *** up the game for regular players.

This will cause real players moan about missing loot from boss because of too less damage done, but hit once. Happened to me like 20 times or so. I land one hit and get near no loot, because all the bots kill that boss in less than 1 second. Then you want people wait for 5 hours? Bad idea.

ZOS Please remove all farmable nodes, monster drops and gold from the game. Make the only way to achieve any item in this game via quests, but all quest must be six hours long to avoid over farming.

This will stop all bots in the game.

Moroch wrote: »

So... not only do you want them to take away that 1g we get, but also remove the minuscule XP one would get from killing that one boss once anyway?

I understand the frustration, I do, but is it REALLY game breaking? I know I know, I am probably about to be accused of botting too, but my point is this; the "drop" is negligible and the XP is already pointless. I for one am very pleased that the bots are mostly sticking to one part of the game, which is huddled around a boss's spawn point in a dungeon (this is as far as my current game play has been effected).

There are so many bot threads and spam threads, I think they know what they are doing. Apply the following logic: Anything you can think of, they thought of first. They either don't like it, or question its effectiveness.

Hmm, what do you mean? If you kill the mob AND receive the drop and exp your timer would kick in. If you did not get a valid kill of course the timer will not kick in.

The idea is that when you get the drop, the timer starts. Meaning you cant stand around there farming the same drop over and over and over.

Pewpie wrote: »

Sounds like you are one of the people doing the botting yourself? Since you point out that the "correct way" is also to grind and farm bosses? And you wouldn't play it if you couldn't...
Your points are taken from thin air and lack substance. I guess you are in fact hurt by a fix that would prevent you from farming, grinding and making the game *** for everyone else?

I said nothing about crafting nodes and mob respawns. And the fix i propose has nothing to do with that.

Of course you said nothing about the crafting nodes, because that would affect you.

I am one of the people that from time to time enjoys filling their bags with loot from dungeon bosses. Why not? The game is setup so enemies respawn, the game is also setup to drop loot for everyone that bothers to hit them. The game rewards boss killing over regular mobs, who in their right mind wouldn't act on that knowledge and focus their efforts there?

Do I run bots? Hell no! I manually stand there and intelligently attack the boss at a time that will benefit me without hurting the experience of those around me.

Is manually farming a boss going against the terms of service, in other words do the developers want people to stop doing it? No. They've made this clear in posts on these forums. They obviously don't encourage it, but it's not against the rules, it's not something they looking to stop.

They have mentioned it not being courteous to other players. But, that goes with just about everything in this game. Some players will go out of their way to be helpful and enhance your experience. Others will go out of their way to ruin it. Dungeon bosses is just another place for this to play out. Some players will instantly attack the boss as soon as it spawns, knowing the guys running in won't even get a chance, others will wait and make sure everyone gets credit.

When you make changes that punish the friendly players as well as the unfriendly ones, and justify it by saying it's the real way to play, and on top of that, passing it off as a fix for botting. Yeah, I can't support that. Even if I want them to change the solo dungeon boss setup, and make it way better and less farm/bot friendly, I can't support the idea of just gimping it entirely and making it pointless to do twice, or more than once in a row. No way man, the bots would win. DON'T LET THE BOTS WIN! Give people a chance, we're not going to ruin your game like mindless bots, honest. It was good in the first few days, before the machines came, before they became aware. Before skynet.

"easy fix" seems like a nightmare if something that is easy it's most likely unsafe ( Construction H&S )

Rousseaux wrote: »

You cannot get credit for killing a boss? Are you slowpoke or somethin'? To get credit you need to use 1 (one) instant ability/cast on mob. You get credit/loot/exp, everyone's happy.

Sometimes there are so many bots they kill in one instant attack. If the bot is triggering instant attacks with computer reactions based on the packets hitting the PC, and you are using instant attacks with human reactions based on the boss being drawn, you will lose. If there aren't enough to kill in one instant attack then you are correct.

Most reliable way I've found is to put heal over times on the bots, that way you get credit.

I actually enjoy farming mobs and bosses. So no YOU wont tell me how i play my game i pay for.