TequilaFire wrote: »How do you tell the difference between a fake tank and a just a bad tank?
Sometimes we should also kick a bad DPS.
perfiction wrote: »I see nothing wrong with fake tanking in normal dungeons (especially RNDs) as long as you slot in the taunt and CCs. I often fake tank RNDs on my DD toons just to save myself some queue time, I always use undaunted taunt and fighters guild pull to bring that tank utility for the team. So far noone mentioned my fake role on the chat, neither started the vote against me.
Normal dungeons are easy enough that you don't need to have 40k+ HP to tank them anyway, some self heals and shields are enough to carry you through. My take is - fake tanking in normals is fine as long as you have the taunt slotted. Boss running around and changing target every few seconds is annoying for DDs making it literally impossible to keep AoE spells up.
Agenericname wrote: »If youre going to fake tank, make a real one, fast queues and it can be fun. It'll also open your eyes some.
perfiction wrote: »
side note - why everyone is mad about fake tanks and fake healers while fake DDs are the real plague of pugs?
Agenericname wrote: »perfiction wrote: »I see nothing wrong with fake tanking in normal dungeons (especially RNDs) as long as you slot in the taunt and CCs. I often fake tank RNDs on my DD toons just to save myself some queue time, I always use undaunted taunt and fighters guild pull to bring that tank utility for the team. So far noone mentioned my fake role on the chat, neither started the vote against me.
Normal dungeons are easy enough that you don't need to have 40k+ HP to tank them anyway, some self heals and shields are enough to carry you through. My take is - fake tanking in normals is fine as long as you have the taunt slotted. Boss running around and changing target every few seconds is annoying for DDs making it literally impossible to keep AoE spells up.
Thats not fake tanking. Its fullfilling the basic tanking role.
perfiction wrote: »
side note - why everyone is mad about fake tanks and fake healers while fake DDs are the real plague of pugs?
Because it's all the difference between incompetence and dishonnesty.
Incompetence is excusable, dishonnesty, not so much.
Agenericname wrote: »Thats not fake tanking. Its fullfilling the basic tanking role.
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Everyone wants to follow no one wants to lead. That’s why it’s DDs crying and fake tanks getting what they want. If you cared you’d be a real tank and stop crying about fake tanks. Also the majority of real tanks have friends/guildies to run with because pugging dungeons as a true tank is painful because there are millions of fake DDs in the queue pulling sub 15k dps making dungeons 40 minute grueling experiences.
I have seen more fake DDs then tanks in my entire 6 years on ESO, but complaining about fake DDs is seen as elitist despite it being one of the main facts no competent tank in their right mind wants to pug tank content.
Agenericname wrote: »perfiction wrote: »I see nothing wrong with fake tanking in normal dungeons (especially RNDs) as long as you slot in the taunt and CCs. I often fake tank RNDs on my DD toons just to save myself some queue time, I always use undaunted taunt and fighters guild pull to bring that tank utility for the team. So far noone mentioned my fake role on the chat, neither started the vote against me.
Normal dungeons are easy enough that you don't need to have 40k+ HP to tank them anyway, some self heals and shields are enough to carry you through. My take is - fake tanking in normals is fine as long as you have the taunt slotted. Boss running around and changing target every few seconds is annoying for DDs making it literally impossible to keep AoE spells up.
Thats not fake tanking. Its fullfilling the basic tanking role.
Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Because the people who complain on reddit and forum is tiny fraction of the population.
I've tanked on my DPS more than I can remember and I've never been even voted to be kicked.
The general population does not care until the group starts wiping repeatedly which rarely occurs in normal dungeons
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Everyone wants to follow no one wants to lead. That’s why it’s DDs crying and fake tanks getting what they want. If you cared you’d be a real tank and stop crying about fake tanks. Also the majority of real tanks have friends/guildies to run with because pugging dungeons as a true tank is painful because there are millions of fake DDs in the queue pulling sub 15k dps making dungeons 40 minute grueling experiences.
I have seen more fake DDs then tanks in my entire 6 years on ESO, but complaining about fake DDs is seen as elitist despite it being one of the main facts no competent tank in their right mind wants to pug tank content.
I usually don't kick a fake tank in normal dungeons because the extra DPS, no matter how small, is usually better than waiting around for a tank. Chances are, if I vote kick the tank, I am still going to push forward and three man the dungeon, because waiting around is annoying and I can mostly solo them on normal, depending on the dungeon.
I do kick fake tanks on Vet dungeons if there are one shot mechanics. Vet base game dungeons I'll push forward because I can solo them and a fake tank is not really a problem. But definitely Vet DLCs.
gariondavey wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Because the people who complain on reddit and forum is tiny fraction of the population.
I've tanked on my DPS more than I can remember and I've never been even voted to be kicked.
The general population does not care until the group starts wiping repeatedly which rarely occurs in normal dungeons
This. Super easy to fake tank as a dps with a taunt. Normals are so faceroll. Even dlcs on normal, or non dlc vets
perfiction wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »Thats not fake tanking. Its fullfilling the basic tanking role.
Tanks should be, well... tanky. That's why it's fake tanking for me. Same example - slotting one healing spell on DD doesn't make you a healer, it's still fake healing because you bring bare minimum to the table (and yes, I fake heal like that as well during RNDs, for example on my magcro toon). Sure, it's enough to finish easier content, but it's not how you're meant to play that role - hence it's faking.
But yeah, if someone picks tank role and doesn't bring any taunt or pick healer role and doesn't bring any heal then you have full right to kick them, I'm with you here.
TequilaFire wrote: »How do you tell the difference between a fake tank and a just a bad tank?
Sometimes we should also kick a bad DPS.
Auth3nticGlitch wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »How do you tell the difference between a fake tank and a just a bad tank?
Sometimes we should also kick a bad DPS.
@TequilaFire A fake tank most of the time has 20k health and doesn’t taunt any enemies, the important part is does not taunt enemies since in normal dungeons health is not as important. Easy to spot within the first minute of a dungeon if you ask me.