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Any dps not suffering loss from cp revamp?

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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
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    It took some tweeks to my build but overall I find PVP DPS better now.

    Any magic user who isn’t looking at Ancient Grace jewelry is doing themselves a disservice.

    I find PVP DPS to be a bit of an oxymoron, or at the very least, not a stat worth looking at. I believe this thread is in the context of PVE DPS, and certainly, you dont want to use AG for that.

    That said, Ancient grace is very strong right now for PVP, since procs are on a 6 month hiatus. Burst matters in PVP, Not DPS.

    I believe the most stat dense PVP setup you can get right now is 5 Crafty, 3 Ancient, 2 trainee, 1 Domi, 1, Swarm Mother, but dont hold me to that.

    That’s not far off from what I’m doing. 5 crafty, 3 ancient, 1 domi, 1 magicka shoulder of something, and 2 willpower.

    But yeah, no worries. I suck against dummies anyway! lol

    Why are dummies harder than real people? That’s the important question!

    I think it is because dummy parses are always in the context of how you relate to those at the top. PVP is just about you vs the other guy, and the other guys skill level is all over the map. Plenty of ways to kill the other guy that dont involve a perfect weave and casting a skill every second on the GCD with no delay. Any deviation from that approach on a dummy gives very poor results, relative to the youtubers we all see pulling tons of DPS.

    The difference between 2 Trainee and 2 Willpower is that basically Trainee gives an extra 1452 health in exchange for 298 less magic. So technically, Willpower will hit harder, but I would take the extra health any day of the week. Trainee also offers a little more flexibility in your gear setup as Willpower is confined to weapons and jewelry.

    Thanks for the info!

    My issue with dummies is more that my main toon is set up for execute damage and I just wet noodle that thing.

    But get it to 35% and I’ll destroy it lol

    Pretty much all DPS spec for execute damage on a trail dummy, just FYI. Three bloodthirsty is meta, and any class (Save sorc) with a specific execute ability is going to run it. Most classes have an execute rotation that kicks in at some point.

    Curious what else you do to specifically setup for execute damage?
  • THEDKEXPERIENCE
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    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    It took some tweeks to my build but overall I find PVP DPS better now.

    Any magic user who isn’t looking at Ancient Grace jewelry is doing themselves a disservice.

    I find PVP DPS to be a bit of an oxymoron, or at the very least, not a stat worth looking at. I believe this thread is in the context of PVE DPS, and certainly, you dont want to use AG for that.

    That said, Ancient grace is very strong right now for PVP, since procs are on a 6 month hiatus. Burst matters in PVP, Not DPS.

    I believe the most stat dense PVP setup you can get right now is 5 Crafty, 3 Ancient, 2 trainee, 1 Domi, 1, Swarm Mother, but dont hold me to that.

    That’s not far off from what I’m doing. 5 crafty, 3 ancient, 1 domi, 1 magicka shoulder of something, and 2 willpower.

    But yeah, no worries. I suck against dummies anyway! lol

    Why are dummies harder than real people? That’s the important question!

    I think it is because dummy parses are always in the context of how you relate to those at the top. PVP is just about you vs the other guy, and the other guys skill level is all over the map. Plenty of ways to kill the other guy that dont involve a perfect weave and casting a skill every second on the GCD with no delay. Any deviation from that approach on a dummy gives very poor results, relative to the youtubers we all see pulling tons of DPS.

    The difference between 2 Trainee and 2 Willpower is that basically Trainee gives an extra 1452 health in exchange for 298 less magic. So technically, Willpower will hit harder, but I would take the extra health any day of the week. Trainee also offers a little more flexibility in your gear setup as Willpower is confined to weapons and jewelry.

    Thanks for the info!

    My issue with dummies is more that my main toon is set up for execute damage and I just wet noodle that thing.

    But get it to 35% and I’ll destroy it lol

    Pretty much all DPS spec for execute damage on a trail dummy, just FYI. Three bloodthirsty is meta, and any class (Save sorc) with a specific execute ability is going to run it. Most classes have an execute rotation that kicks in at some point.

    Curious what else you do to specifically setup for execute damage?

    Pump as much into magic as possible and spam radiant oppression into crowds mostly. Tooltip is above 12k. Very few players can out heal that if they are under 35%.

    In PVE I mostly just spam pokey sticks while braindeadly picking flowers and killing overland stuff.

    I haven’t done a dungeon in like 2 years at this point.
  • Everest_Lionheart
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    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
    It took some tweeks to my build but overall I find PVP DPS better now.

    Any magic user who isn’t looking at Ancient Grace jewelry is doing themselves a disservice.

    I find PVP DPS to be a bit of an oxymoron, or at the very least, not a stat worth looking at. I believe this thread is in the context of PVE DPS, and certainly, you dont want to use AG for that.

    That said, Ancient grace is very strong right now for PVP, since procs are on a 6 month hiatus. Burst matters in PVP, Not DPS.

    I believe the most stat dense PVP setup you can get right now is 5 Crafty, 3 Ancient, 2 trainee, 1 Domi, 1, Swarm Mother, but dont hold me to that.

    That’s not far off from what I’m doing. 5 crafty, 3 ancient, 1 domi, 1 magicka shoulder of something, and 2 willpower.

    But yeah, no worries. I suck against dummies anyway! lol

    Why are dummies harder than real people? That’s the important question!

    I think it is because dummy parses are always in the context of how you relate to those at the top. PVP is just about you vs the other guy, and the other guys skill level is all over the map. Plenty of ways to kill the other guy that dont involve a perfect weave and casting a skill every second on the GCD with no delay. Any deviation from that approach on a dummy gives very poor results, relative to the youtubers we all see pulling tons of DPS.

    The difference between 2 Trainee and 2 Willpower is that basically Trainee gives an extra 1452 health in exchange for 298 less magic. So technically, Willpower will hit harder, but I would take the extra health any day of the week. Trainee also offers a little more flexibility in your gear setup as Willpower is confined to weapons and jewelry.

    Thanks for the info!

    My issue with dummies is more that my main toon is set up for execute damage and I just wet noodle that thing.

    But get it to 35% and I’ll destroy it lol

    Pretty much all DPS spec for execute damage on a trail dummy, just FYI. Three bloodthirsty is meta, and any class (Save sorc) with a specific execute ability is going to run it. Most classes have an execute rotation that kicks in at some point.

    Curious what else you do to specifically setup for execute damage?

    I play 2 of the classes in PvE that pretty much just hammer away at rotations from start to finish. The changes to crit are definitely being felt on my end. There is no worse feeling than seeing so many of your whips fail to crit on MagDK while you are in execute meaning you have to lay down another round of dots. Over the course of a full parse I would say I have to lay down an extra 2-3 rotations compared to last patch. More expensive dots on MagDK equals more magicka spent equals worse sustain to the point I have to heavy attack a few times rather than cast a spamable and that adds to the DPS loss.

    I haven’t tried my Magcro yet this patch because my DK is on several core teams running Zen’s for the group buffs. For what it’s worth though in actual content I feel like all my groups are annihilating normal bosses but struggling to burn vet bosses down. You can get them to execute in close to the same amount of time but once you get there you don’t hit quite as hard anymore and the fights are extended.

    Not necessarily a bad thing, but certainly makes dummy parses much more unreliable in relation to performance in actual content. I’m hoping those running core groups will reevaluate their requirements going forward because the days of everyone hitting a bazillion K dps are over.
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