Why don't people kick fake healers but will kick fake tanks?
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.Edited by AyaDark on March 18, 2021 7:39AM1 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sheezabeast wrote: »A good healer buffs your damage and provides you resources. Your Pale Order rings don't do that. Think twice before kicking a geared out healer. We are still very relevant, our ability to provide support to the group will never be truly obsolete.
This .. this, all the way.
Are 3 DDs runs possibles? Sure, they are. Especially with the pale order ring.
Are they the best way to do it? Hardly .. because :- If I slot the ring, I lose a set bonus, thus I lose damage.
- If I cast a self heal, I disrupt my damage output, thus I lose damage. I also lose sustain, thus losing damage further.
- If I merely slot a self heal, it's a wasted spot. Any skill with a passive that'll increase my output is prefered, so I don't lose damage. Or even a shield, to survive some would be one-shots and keep dpsing instead.
- I don't get combat prayer. Thus, I lose damage. and that bonus is the most obvious one, there are loads of others (I won't list them all)
- There are synergies I don't get. Thus, I lose sustain and damage.
In the end, the choice is : run with 3 DPS at 80% efficiency, or with 2 DPS at 120% efficiency.
Since the healer also deals a fair amount of damage, the overall group DPS stays the same. It's however easier and more pleasant for everyone involved.
(seriously, do the math. 3x30k DPS = 90k ... 2x40k dps (because buffed) = 80k .. + 10/15k (perhaps more) from the healer = 90k/95k ...same thing)
In the end, people don't do 3DPS runs because it's quicker .. they merely do it because they can, and they think it proves they are skilled.
An healer is needed like a 2nd kidney .. we can do without if we must, but life's a lot easier with it.Edited by preevious on March 18, 2021 7:45AM1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭And people do not just kick "FaKE TANKS".
They kick real tanks the same.
"Why do you vote to kick tank ?"
-He is small CP.
"He is 500+ its enough and he even do not try !"
-He will not do it.
"Well, tank did ! But that DD was kicked by me from the group, becouse attitude like that, so DD really did not do it on his 810+ in that time"
All i need to do to support Tank a little, and say some basics about dunguan. He was first time.
So - "he will not do it" like attitude, with no real check - like all stuff meta guys do, on their 21 kk dummy and no check in real dunguans and trials.
"Exept some real groups who farm some hard content"
But they already do not associate with META for me, but 95% toxics - really do.Edited by AyaDark on March 18, 2021 7:46AM0 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most fake healers and fake tanks I've come across are *** dps then they end up throwing a tantrum and quitting when they die.0 -
SeaArcanist✭✭✭nobody kicks fake healers in Randoms because generally people can keep themselves alive in normal runs. so they dont care or notice as much. they will notice if a tank isn't tanking tho because they will start getting hit.0
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Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »A good healer buffs your damage and provides you resources. Your Pale Order rings don't do that. Think twice before kicking a geared out healer. We are still very relevant, our ability to provide support to the group will never be truly obsolete.
Healer buffs add less to group overall dps than 3rd dps would.1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »A good healer buffs your damage and provides you resources. Your Pale Order rings don't do that. Think twice before kicking a geared out healer. We are still very relevant, our ability to provide support to the group will never be truly obsolete.
Healer buffs add less to group overall dps than 3rd dps would.
If it is META trial HEALER that do not go TRIAL and is META for trial, not for dunguan and he even do not understand it, yes. DD is more proffit.1 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sheezabeast wrote: »A good healer buffs your damage and provides you resources. Your Pale Order rings don't do that. Think twice before kicking a geared out healer. We are still very relevant, our ability to provide support to the group will never be truly obsolete.
Healer buffs add less to group overall dps than 3rd dps would.
Yes, but why does no one ever factor in the Healer's damage output?
While healers buffs may bring less damage than a 3rd DPS (and I might even disagree with that), a healer's buff + damage output exceed it.
The Healers is buffing himself, as well ..Edited by preevious on March 18, 2021 8:52AM0 -
iksde✭✭✭✭In the end, the choice is : run with 3 DPS at 80% efficiency, or with 2 DPS at 120% efficiency.
Since the healer also deals a fair amount of damage, the overall group DPS stays the same. It's however easier and more pleasant for everyone involved.
(seriously, do the math. 3x30k DPS = 90k ... 2x40k dps (because buffed) = 80k .. + 10/15k (perhaps more) from the healer = 90k/95k ...same thing)
In the end, people don't do 3DPS runs because it's quicker .. they merely do it because they can, and they think it proves they are skilled.
An healer is needed like a 2nd kidney .. we can do without if we must, but life's a lot easier with it.
as for me atleast....even with your efficiency - 80% x3 = 240% total so same as with 120% x2, at the end efficiency is same but yet it is easier to get...very easier thang etting good healer like that
when running pugs many time in overall I got maybe just single time so great healer with buffs he was worth of 3rd dd, everyo other was just healer to keep you alive if you didnt had self heal
and at the end when I run with atleast with 1 friend one of us always is as fake heal for faster queue because real healer is just waste of slot for us...also we never get with tank so dependned on heal...if he was that much depending for heals then he was not even worth to keep for longer because he was not understanding basics in dlc, not going ot of all hard hits etc and so anyway we were unable to outheal this damage incoming - my friend which was doing close heals to healer in trial, with just sorc healing pet
the only healers worth to run with I was grupped was friends knowing healer role very good, not even perfectly and so able to heal harder trials0 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭my friend which was doing close heals to healer in trial, with just sorc healing pet
Yes, and that's part of the problem, it's actually a excellent exemple.
Even without buffs, your friend's output would be nicely increased by using the tormentor instead of the matriarch.
Tormentor base attacks are one of the sorc's most damaging skills, and he cuts it in half by using matriarch instead.
Also, boss fights aren't THAT long .. you prebuff once with the tormentor's ability at the start, and it's noticeable as well.
Wich is further increased by daedric prey, should you use it.
Your friend is hurting his own efficiency, by a lot, using this self heal.
That's what no one gets .. the buffs the healer gives are not the only good thing. The other good thing is that when you don't heal, you fully spec for damage instead, and perform better.
Both DD personal increase + healer's buff + healer's damage output > 3rd DD.
Also, it's more confortable.
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FantasticFreddie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.Edited by FantasticFreddie on March 18, 2021 9:16AM2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭No one DO ! the dunguan in 3 DD to think they are skilled. If i can close it solo, it do not need to much DPS.
But if you have 3 dd, it is a chance that 1 DD will by OK and he will do ALL the work.
So if you are BAD DPS, it is 2 times more chanse to close something !
If you are good DD, you do not even care, will it be DD, HEAL, one more tank.
The problem is that on this role bad Tanks+ bad DDs, bad heals and good heals can vote.
More rivalry per place
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.
You just show, that you are may be a bad healer
Congratulation.
Because it may be no such sets, but us such way of thinking.
And you can buff you own SPD, may be you are healer with sirorria.
The way of thinking is problem - you do some thing on purpose.
Even if you buff spd and wpd, you first buff wpd, they do not need spd !
Yes it is not common sets that buff only spd or wpd, but sustain ? Only mana or only stamina. And sustain is the same as wpd and spd becouse it is easely convert one to another.
And I do not speak about sustain for a reason.
May be you even do not need buff 2% dps with this sets in dunguan , why not you ask about that ?
So that you say about it , just show the way how you think about it.
You did not say about good timeing for healing, better way of support. You say about sets. It means all your play is may be just about that.
And 2% buff is no need in dunguans. It is other better options.
If you say 2+2=5 is the same true as Earth is flat, if people say:
2+2=4 => Earth is flat ?
Earth is not flat ! => 2+2=5 ?
False=False - correct answer.Edited by AyaDark on March 18, 2021 10:49AM0 -
TheForFeeF✭✭✭If you get a fake tank, vet content becomes a lot harder as DD's are squishy. There isn't a way around that as healers may have to stop healing to get away from a boss that isn't taunted due to said fake tank. A healer not healing means dead DD. A dead DD means no DPS.
However, if you get a fake healer, there are easy ways around it, such as slotting a self-heal and putting on Pale Order. On top of that, if you have a tank that is making sure all the boss damage is going to them, the 3 DDs are then able to solely focus on their role. If you have a more than competent group, you can ignore pretty much the majority of the mechanics and just burn the boss.
Basically, a fake tank makes vet content harder and unbearable, to the point it can be rage-inducing. A fake healer doesn't make the content any more difficult then it is already designed to be. There are also easy ways to heal yourself. There aren't easy ways to tank yourself.
Normal dungeons is a different story all together... You don't need Tanks or Healers at all.0 -
FantasticFreddie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.
You just show, that you are may be a bad healer
Congratulation.
Because it may be no such sets, but us such way of thinking.
And you can buff you own SPD, may be you are healer with sirorria.
The way of thinking is problem - you do some thing on purpose.
Even if you buff spd and wpd, you first buff wpd, they do not need spd !
Yes it is not common sets that buff only spd or wpd, but sustain ? Only mana or only stamina. And sustain is the same as wpd and spd becouse it is easely convert one to another.
And I do not speak about sustain for a reason.
May be you even do not need buff 2% dps with this sets in dunguan , why not you ask about that ?
So that you say about it , just show the way how you think about it.
You did not say about good timeing for healing, better way of support. You say about sets. It means all your play is may be just about that.
And 2% buff is no need in dunguans. It is other better options.
If you say 2+2=5 is the same true as Earth is flat, if people say:
2+2=4 => Earth is flat ?
Earth is not flat ! => 2+2=5 ?
False=False - correct answer.
Even going on the assumption English is not your first or even second language, this is gibberish.
And no, you clearly don't know the first thing about healing.
Combat prayer= Minor beserk= 5% increase to damage done. This is a bread and butter healer skill.
Energy orb/ luminous shards= sustain based off your highest offensive stat, regardless of if it is stam or mag.
Symphony of blades= more sustain based off your highest offensive stat.
Major courage= + 400ish weapon and spell damage. Two of the most common healer sets provide this buff.
Powerful Assault= another 300ish weapon and spell damage. Often I use this in 4 man content
Master Architect= Major slayer= 10% damage done. Another favorite of mine for 4 man content.
Warhorn= Major force= 20% increase to critical damage. Another staple healer skill.
Saying "well boost weapon damage FIRST!!!!" just proves you don't know a thing about it.
And, take up the lack of stamina specific sustain sets with zos, not me.... although all-stam comps are rare, and rarely have sustain issues anyways.
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mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭Any little bit of experience in random dungeon finder and you will slot a self heal.
Most don't really do anything but regen and heavy attack or stand there and bolt doing nothing else.
Thinking that like other games they are only required to heal.
They are in fact being quite useless during that so if you have a self heal as most do people generally don't care about the healer being fake I mean honestly a mediocre dps is more valuable than someone heavy attacking with a resto and the occasional regen or bolt while mostly standing there doing nothing.
Again it has to do with the fact that the average person in activity finder really doesn't know the basics of eso.
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »FantasticFreddie wrote: »How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.
You just show, that you are may be a bad healer
Congratulation.
Because it may be no such sets, but us such way of thinking.
And you can buff you own SPD, may be you are healer with sirorria.
The way of thinking is problem - you do some thing on purpose.
Even if you buff spd and wpd, you first buff wpd, they do not need spd !
Yes it is not common sets that buff only spd or wpd, but sustain ? Only mana or only stamina. And sustain is the same as wpd and spd becouse it is easely convert one to another.
And I do not speak about sustain for a reason.
May be you even do not need buff 2% dps with this sets in dunguan , why not you ask about that ?
So that you say about it , just show the way how you think about it.
You did not say about good timeing for healing, better way of support. You say about sets. It means all your play is may be just about that.
And 2% buff is no need in dunguans. It is other better options.
If you say 2+2=5 is the same true as Earth is flat, if people say:
2+2=4 => Earth is flat ?
Earth is not flat ! => 2+2=5 ?
False=False - correct answer.
Even going on the assumption English is not your first or even second language, this is gibberish.
And no, you clearly don't know the first thing about healing.
Combat prayer= Minor beserk= 5% increase to damage done. This is a bread and butter healer skill.
Energy orb/ luminous shards= sustain based off your highest offensive stat, regardless of if it is stam or mag.
Symphony of blades= more sustain based off your highest offensive stat.
Major courage= + 400ish weapon and spell damage. Two of the most common healer sets provide this buff.
Powerful Assault= another 300ish weapon and spell damage. Often I use this in 4 man content
Master Architect= Major slayer= 10% damage done. Another favorite of mine for 4 man content.
Warhorn= Major force= 20% increase to critical damage. Another staple healer skill.
Saying "well boost weapon damage FIRST!!!!" just proves you don't know a thing about it.
And, take up the lack of stamina specific sustain sets with zos, not me.... although all-stam comps are rare, and rarely have sustain issues anyways.
I am DD, and I do not need any of what you write there from healer.
So just think about how usefull you are as a healer.
Hmm but war machine is good yes. May be war machine will be ok.
But not some thing really nesessary.
What else can you provide me to support me as DD ?
Do not know anything about stam DD, just do dps on my tank
https://youtu.be/vYNNBb-X1AE
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preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »FantasticFreddie wrote: »How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.
You just show, that you are may be a bad healer
Congratulation.
Because it may be no such sets, but us such way of thinking.
And you can buff you own SPD, may be you are healer with sirorria.
The way of thinking is problem - you do some thing on purpose.
Even if you buff spd and wpd, you first buff wpd, they do not need spd !
Yes it is not common sets that buff only spd or wpd, but sustain ? Only mana or only stamina. And sustain is the same as wpd and spd becouse it is easely convert one to another.
And I do not speak about sustain for a reason.
May be you even do not need buff 2% dps with this sets in dunguan , why not you ask about that ?
So that you say about it , just show the way how you think about it.
You did not say about good timeing for healing, better way of support. You say about sets. It means all your play is may be just about that.
And 2% buff is no need in dunguans. It is other better options.
If you say 2+2=5 is the same true as Earth is flat, if people say:
2+2=4 => Earth is flat ?
Earth is not flat ! => 2+2=5 ?
False=False - correct answer.
Even going on the assumption English is not your first or even second language, this is gibberish.
And no, you clearly don't know the first thing about healing.
Combat prayer= Minor beserk= 5% increase to damage done. This is a bread and butter healer skill.
Energy orb/ luminous shards= sustain based off your highest offensive stat, regardless of if it is stam or mag.
Symphony of blades= more sustain based off your highest offensive stat.
Major courage= + 400ish weapon and spell damage. Two of the most common healer sets provide this buff.
Powerful Assault= another 300ish weapon and spell damage. Often I use this in 4 man content
Master Architect= Major slayer= 10% damage done. Another favorite of mine for 4 man content.
Warhorn= Major force= 20% increase to critical damage. Another staple healer skill.
Saying "well boost weapon damage FIRST!!!!" just proves you don't know a thing about it.
And, take up the lack of stamina specific sustain sets with zos, not me.... although all-stam comps are rare, and rarely have sustain issues anyways.
I am DD, and I do not need any of what you write there from healer.
So just think about how usefull you are as a healer.
Hmm but war machine is good yes. May be war machine will be ok.
But not some thing really nesessary.
What else can you provide me to support me as DD ?
Good healer ?
You are a DD, and while that list is indeed not "needed", it actually support you a great deal.
It increases your output by a wide margin, and thus, is usefull to the group. It also increase the output of the second DD.
It's of incredibely bad faith to say otherwise. If you say you do as much damage, personnaly, with or without an healer .. you just lie.
That list was pretty spot on, and I'd be gratefull to have only half of those buffs in my group.2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »FantasticFreddie wrote: »How do you differ fake healer from not fake, if they work just the same.
Inplay more than 8k hours, and most of this content is dunguans and less trials.
I see only 8 good healers for all this time.
May be 9, one try good but has bad ping.
How i can differ all others from the fake ? If just the same bad play ?
I can see tank is not fake or fake if boss do not hit me heavy attacks and light attacks.
But how do i differ a healer, that 99 of them justdo some random thingth, that no logick can understand ?
Just ask random healer - what are you doing ????
I buff SPD to the group.
In full stamina group ???
Or why do you spam mutagen each second ? When you can just spam it twice per 10 seconds ?
- But may be it is some illnes, so i do not like to ask some thing. Like after DPS button pressind syndrom or some thing like that.
The same as some DDs.
What healer must do in dunguan first ?
He must understand what and why he is doing !!!
Not give the group of 2 DDs with 60k summ dps 2% more buff to dps.
When he just can do the same damage by just put 1 dot as example.
The same for sets, the same for why he heal the way he do it. And each his action.
It will not be fake heal.
Other way itwill be fake heal/dd with impossible logick to understand play.
And it is not reason to kick for that, not a lot of people just understand what they are doing.
But you need boss do not hit you and hit tank some times to pass.
My immediate reaction was, hey, this person doesn't know anything about healing.
Read the rest of your comment, and yup, you don't know anything about healing
There is only one way I know of as a healer to buff just spell damage to the group. And it is not something a novice healer would even know how to do. Everything else either buffs weapon and spell damage equally, or is a straight damage buff.
You just show, that you are may be a bad healer
Congratulation.
Because it may be no such sets, but us such way of thinking.
And you can buff you own SPD, may be you are healer with sirorria.
The way of thinking is problem - you do some thing on purpose.
Even if you buff spd and wpd, you first buff wpd, they do not need spd !
Yes it is not common sets that buff only spd or wpd, but sustain ? Only mana or only stamina. And sustain is the same as wpd and spd becouse it is easely convert one to another.
And I do not speak about sustain for a reason.
May be you even do not need buff 2% dps with this sets in dunguan , why not you ask about that ?
So that you say about it , just show the way how you think about it.
You did not say about good timeing for healing, better way of support. You say about sets. It means all your play is may be just about that.
And 2% buff is no need in dunguans. It is other better options.
If you say 2+2=5 is the same true as Earth is flat, if people say:
2+2=4 => Earth is flat ?
Earth is not flat ! => 2+2=5 ?
False=False - correct answer.
Even going on the assumption English is not your first or even second language, this is gibberish.
And no, you clearly don't know the first thing about healing.
Combat prayer= Minor beserk= 5% increase to damage done. This is a bread and butter healer skill.
Energy orb/ luminous shards= sustain based off your highest offensive stat, regardless of if it is stam or mag.
Symphony of blades= more sustain based off your highest offensive stat.
Major courage= + 400ish weapon and spell damage. Two of the most common healer sets provide this buff.
Powerful Assault= another 300ish weapon and spell damage. Often I use this in 4 man content
Master Architect= Major slayer= 10% damage done. Another favorite of mine for 4 man content.
Warhorn= Major force= 20% increase to critical damage. Another staple healer skill.
Saying "well boost weapon damage FIRST!!!!" just proves you don't know a thing about it.
And, take up the lack of stamina specific sustain sets with zos, not me.... although all-stam comps are rare, and rarely have sustain issues anyways.
I am DD, and I do not need any of what you write there from healer.
So just think about how usefull you are as a healer.
Hmm but war machine is good yes. May be war machine will be ok.
But not some thing really nesessary.
What else can you provide me to support me as DD ?
Good healer ?
You are a DD, and while that list is indeed not "needed", it actually support you a great deal.
It increases your output by a wide margin, and thus, is usefull to the group. It also increase the output of the second DD.
It's of incredibely bad faith to say otherwise. If you say you do as much damage, personnaly, with or without an healer .. you just lie.
That list was pretty spot on, and I'd be gratefull to have only half of those buffs in my group.
Ok. I will not troll now like before and ask direct.
Who decide what the group need ? Group or you ?
Who is good support - the one party is happy with or the one who think he is good, and knows better.
Do you think i do jot know all of you write before ? Naivety.
I just show you, that you even do not ask what your group need.
You reed some where that it is best option.
Others do not think so.
So you decide that you are good healer becouse you read some where what peoples want and even do not ask are real people you play with happy with this ?
Do not you think it is a little strange ? So may be you are not as good as support, as you think about it ?
And you say nothing about healing, sooo - i do not see god heal in you too.
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✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »What's the difference?
You can get through content with a fake healer by using Ring of the Pale Order, or by one of the DPS equipping a couple of HoT's, whereas if the dungeon absolutely requires a tank, you simply cannot pass the dungeon without a real tank. Even dungeons where you MAY be able to sneak by without a real tank just go so much more smoothly if you have a real tank.
And lets face it, much of the new content is being designed around 3 DPS 1 tank format, since all the mechanics result in a OHK, rendering healers far less useful. In those scenarios, its often better to have a 3rd DPS to reduce the duration of the fight and limit the chance that a catastrophic OHK can happen.0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭It is not really true.
https://youtu.be/HGB4mAtuw_k
You need a lot of healing in some content.
But if I go 3 DD i know i can support a tank.
But I am quite shure that HEALER as SUPPORT will provide me with DPS buffs, while we will try do all in 2 DD to make tank live normally. So we will not DPS
No healer - do not say - hey I will support your tank, happy tank, happy party.
They support our DPS.
OK.
But i need healer support my tank first. BY HEALING !!! Me not to do this part !!!
Each player must do his part, to others do their, not to redo others.
If i must redo other player work he is not needed. So what is a point if i redo healers work ?
Thats why healers are not needed. Because we redo their work.
Even if healer is in party you heal or dead ! If i already need heal - why need HEAL ???
To support dps ? DD support DPS better. Heal you group if you are heal first !!!Edited by AyaDark on March 18, 2021 3:32PM0 -
pelle412✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Are our buffs worth it though?
For easy content no, but for really hard content like veteran trials these buffs are very important.
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✭✭✭It is not really true.https://youtu.be/HGB4mAtuw_k
You need a lot of healing in some content.
But if I go 3 DD i know i can support a tank.
But I am quite shure that HEALER as SUPPORT will provide me with DPS buffs, while we will try do all in 2 DD to make tank live normally. So we will not DPS
No healer - do not say - hey I will support your tank, happy tank, happy party.
They support our DPS.
OK.
But i need healer support my tank first. BY HEALING !!! Me not to do this part !!!
Each player must do his part, to others do their, not to redo others.
If i must redo other player work he is not needed. So what is a point if i redo healers work ?
Thats why healers are not needed. Because we redo their work.
Even if healer is in party you heal or dead ! If i already need heal - why need HEAL ???
To support dps ? DD support DPS better. Heal you group if you are heal first !!!
I can't even tell what you point is anymore.
First you are pissy because you think healers aren't supporting stamina dps, then about how sets are not skills, now you say stamina dps don't need the support, healers should be supporting the tanks, there was something about healers in Siroria that made no sense, but most of what you say makes no sense.
1) I find most tanks are pretty self sufficient, needing little more than a good hot and the occasional synergy to keep them going.
2) Supporting the dps whacking things and supporting the tanks survival are not mutually exclusive. Generally speaking you can do all that while still putting out a bit of dps on your own.
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Are our buffs worth it though?
For easy content no, but for really hard content like veteran trials these buffs are very important.
veteran trials is easy content.
Only HMs and over speed runs are hard with not trained group. (*)
And buffs are needed in (*)<= this part
They are not needed just for veteran.1 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Because people feel bad about kicking when you can tough it up and still complete the content. Same way people will carry that "fake dps" with 30k+ HP and doing 5k dps without kicking them. You can easily complete a dungeon with 3 DPS too, since a lot of the times it makes the content easier rather than harder, but not necessarily on a PUG becasue you might have a DPS queued as a healer and two fake DPS queued as DPS, then if they kick the healer you're left with a total of 10k dps in the group.
Fake tank on Vet makes a lot of fights impossible, some DLC normals It''s too hard as well.Edited by Nevasca on March 18, 2021 4:14PM0 -
pelle412✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Are our buffs worth it though?
For easy content no, but for really hard content like veteran trials these buffs are very important.
veteran trials is easy content.
Only HMs and over speed runs are hard with not trained group. (*)
And buffs are needed in (*)<= this part
They are not needed just for veteran.
Most "scheduled" veteran trials are usually farm runs, and having good buffs just makes the whole run quicker, and you can do more of them in the same "time slot". If I'm setting up a veteran trial farm run I will require buff sets.2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Because people feel bad about kicking when you can tough it up and still complete the content. Same way people will carry that "fake dps" with 30k+ HP and doing 5k dps without kicking them. You can easily complete a dungeon with 3 DPS too, since a lot of the times it makes the content easier rather than harder, but not necessarily on a PUG becasue you might have a DPS queued as a healer and two fake DPS queued as DPS, then if they kick the healer you're left with a total of 10k dps in the group.
Fake tank on Vet makes a lot of fights impossible, some DLC normals It''s too hard as well.
It all depends. And as you can see some people solo some vDLC hms, others can not close it full group.
It can be not fake tank, but real one, but who can not do his task.
It will be just the same fail.
People just do not like to fail and base it on wrong thingth.
Because they do not have enough exp.
And because of that do not even let others try, but they can do it !
It all bad is just in peoples mind.
And take sword and shield already.
DD with sword and shield can easely tank any normal. Just agr and passives. And may by armor buff.Edited by AyaDark on March 18, 2021 4:24PM0 -
svendf✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Are our buffs worth it though?
For easy content no, but for really hard content like veteran trials these buffs are very important.
Depends on group, not content. So buffs and all are needed. So! you are wrong and it´s "only" a personal wiev, in other words your peronal wiev.
I just came from a nDLC run as healer and will say, that, that run would be pretty stessfull if they didn´t have a healer. No they were not noobs, bad or anything. They were not you, right ? xD
It´s all in the eyes of the beholder. What you feel is not needed isn´t same as facts.
In many if not all of these types of reply´s it should be informed that "We/I don´t need H or T", xD. No one know, what´s needed or not if they aren´t part of/member of that group
Goodday xD
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pelle412✭✭✭✭✭Depends on group, not content. So buffs and all are needed. So! you are wrong and it´s "only" a personal wiev, in other words your peronal wiev.
I just came from a nDLC run as healer and will say, that, that run would be pretty stessfull if they didn´t have a healer. No they were not noobs, bad or anything. They were not you, right ? xD
It´s all in the eyes of the beholder. What you feel is not needed isn´t same as facts.
In many if not all of these types of reply´s it should be informed that "We/I don´t need H or T", xD. No one know, what´s needed or not if they aren´t part of/member of that group
Goodday xD
I thought the question was about buffs, not about healing. Do a normal dungeon group need high combat prayer uptime or SPC? That's what I thought was being asked.0 -
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✭I do not vote to Kick anymore.
The last three times I ended up being kicked, because the other two were total noobs and didn't know anything about fake roles.No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!0