Age gap

Ascarl · March 2021

For me the age gap manifest in the whole waving discussion. From my experience the younger crowd considers weavinga central ESO skill, while the older people consider it a non-essential muscle memory test.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · March 2021

Late 30's. I can get along with most, but I've always had issues with hyperactive people no matter the age.

I think Monetization has taken a too bigger a role in ESO. It's not the same ESO we started with that's for sure.
I think prices are far too high and tin foil hat or not....I don't like meta manipulation which orientates you towards the crown store. I won't be doing these sort of practices elsewhere again, the current ESO has taught me otherwise.

Sylvermynx · March 2021

@Girl_Number8 - thank you, that made my day!

Goregrinder · March 2021

Vermintide wrote: »

You guys are aware of the term "whale" right?

The reality is the overwhelming majority of players disapprove of expensive cash shop items; but there's a very slim minority of players who will compulsively spend and absolute fortune on that stuff. They're the ones making it profitable.

It's a tough job but someone's gotta keep this hamster wheel turning.

Mix · March 2021

I don't know the ages of most of the people I play with

If zone chat gets out of hand I just hide it. That being said you never know when you will port into weird or wonderful conversations. Would you eat peaches on pizza?

poodlemasterb16_ESO · March 2021

Ascarl wrote: »

For me the age gap manifest in the whole waving discussion. From my experience the younger crowd considers weavinga central ESO skill, while the older people consider it a non-essential muscle memory test.

LOL. My Vampire Witch discovered weaving in 2014, when I was 68. Now my bars are all set up, to do that well.

Sylvermynx · March 2021

Mix wrote: »

I don't know the ages of most of the people I play with

If zone chat gets out of hand I just hide it. That being said you never know when you will port into weird or wonderful conversations. Would you eat peaches on pizza?

Dessert pizza, sure.

Thealteregoroman · March 2021

Firstmep wrote: »

I spend as much money on eso as I've spent on other sub based mmos in the past.
Eso plus is great value, I don't feel the need to spend any more beyond that.
I'm 33 with a full time job, a partner that also plays video games and no kids.
I prefer eso's multiple choice monetasition over eastern games that sell advancement or outright powerups for cash.
I have left my favorite mmo to date age of wulin specifically Beacuse of p2w concerns.
I don't consider stuff you can get by playing paid content p2w as you still need to go out and get those items.
I also don't consider the 2 dlc classes p2w, even if it's blatantly obvious that Zos has made them slightly more powerful for monetary reasons.

I don't particularly get upset about greedy corporations, maybe it's Beacuse I'm older now.

I do think that there should be stricter laws and regulations to protect those with gsmling issues, and if loot boxes /rng crates were removed I wouldn't shed a single tear over them, but I also have enough self control that they don't particularly concern me personally.

So yeah, that's about it.

@Firstmep same situation...literally lol.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · March 2021

"I also don't consider the 2 dlc classes p2w, even if it's blatantly obvious that Zos has made them slightly more powerful for monetary reasons."

No, they are not that great. Even though nerfing Sorcs is popular with Zenimax, they are probably still the best for making OP chars. I dunno 'bout DKs anymore, but they too can be beastly. NBs can be very good and strong but just take more skill to play. My MagNecro is coming along well but he is a bit of a chore.

My StamSorcs just rule, mostly, and I can play them in my sleep.

Firstmep · March 2021

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

"I also don't consider the 2 dlc classes p2w, even if it's blatantly obvious that Zos has made them slightly more powerful for monetary reasons."

No, they are not that great. Even though nerfing Sorcs is popular with Zenimax, they are probably still the best for making OP chars. I dunno 'bout DKs anymore, but they too can be beastly. NBs can be very good and strong but just take more skill to play. My MagNecro is coming along well but he is a bit of a chore.

My StamSorcs just rule, mostly, and I can play them in my sleep.

Wardens and necros were designed to be able to fulfill all 3 trinity roles, from the moment they were released.
Their passives are pretty much superior to anything else out there especially defensively.
Magsorcs and stamblades are strong, Beacuse most people don't know how to deal with high burst damage.
I've been playing this game since launch neither sorc nor blade can really pull anything surprising anymore, their offensive combos are pretty predictable.
Magsorc even moreso, that is not to say I never lose a fight aganist those classes, but for the most part I know pretty well how to handle them.
Stamden and stamcro just have so much passive power, that even if you outplay them completely, chances are they can easily recover, and it only takes 1 mistake on your end and it's over.
Also nerfing sorcs is popular? Nearly every time magsorc got nerfed in a major way, they were given something else to compensate in the same or the very next patch.
And stamblades seem to be on this loop where they get buffed into being able to 1 gcd anyone, and then get nerfed to the ground when ppl complain.

Varana · March 2021

All of that is obviously referring to PvP. That's not where the money is coming from, though. And in PvE, predictability and all that stuff is simply not a thing.
For quite a while, esp. magWardens were notoriously ... mediocre DDs. That they're in a better place now, has more to do with the constant reworks of skills and sets and now CPs, than with any evil masterplan. And the more conscious design so Wardens can more clearly fill every role, has more to do with the time gap between the base game's design concept for the original classes, and the Wardens release over three years later.
It was a bit different with Necros - they were definitely overtuned after Elsweyr came out and have been significantly nerfed since. They're not really standing out at this time.
So no, neither is clearly better. You won't suddenly hit more stuff harder just by rolling a Necro or Warden.

waterfairy · March 2021

who cares what age or gender the person is behind their character? I set it so character names show first and kinda wish we didn't have our accounts/gamertags displayed or connected to our character because this is an MMORPG

AlextheMuspel · March 2021

Nagastani wrote: »

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

I'm in the 30-40ish age bracket.

So... the difference between the older generation and the younger generation, as I see it, in an unbiased sort of way, is we know what we want. It doesn't matter to us what someone else is doing because whether its old tech or new tech, whichever, it's not what we want. If that makes sense.

Secondly, new tech does not always equal better. For example, I don't watch much TV. I'm sorry but I would say most of the shows are just garbage, not unlike movies these days. The new Disney Star Wars films is a great example of this. Same for Must See TV and all the shows in between pushing a foreign political agenda of some sort that no one asked for.

See what I'm saying? And this will further blow your mind, my favorite television is old time western shows and films, spaghetti westerns etc. And old time comedies as well. Sure the picture and sound quality are not cutting edge however if you think about it for sec, that's what makes them great. It's great to watch films and shows that are not crammed with so much artificial CGI Trash, along with a garbage story line that feels as if it's written by a high school student.

Watched Citizen Cane one night and the next night, watched the Virginian and then Gunsmoke after that. Great Television with no agendas, realistic pacing, a plot I can relate to and great storytelling.

As I said, this is about age gap in the game, not personal preferences. My favorite composer is Tchaikovsky, and I can't tolerate pop music, kinda weird for a 20-y-o right? But I am majoring in Art History, so it's only normal that I took lots of film studies/composing/Renaissance/Baroque/Modern art courses. I watch lots of avant-gardes European films, but I also enjoy Hollywood classics from 70s/80s. Is it weird that I also have hundreds of game and dozens of game consoles? Sure, I'm peculiar, but people like me do exist.

My point is that personal preferences, or tastes, have a lot more to do with one's education and socioeconomic status instead of mere age. But I can say with certainty that no one's opinion is the same regarding the same object. That's why I opened this thread.

AlextheMuspel · March 2021

Inaya wrote: »

As of 2020:
The average gamer is 34 years old
70% of gamers are age 18 or older
60% of Americans play video games daily
45% of US gamers are women

It is NEVER safe to assume anything, including that "the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game". It is most likely a combination of many things that attract players of any age to any MMO.

I'm sorry you "feel the age gap" because the beauty of a virtual world is that age, appearance, etc. have little impact. I met my best friend Nick in WOW and he is 1/2 my age. When we met in real life we hugged and cried and said how thankful we were we met online because in the real world we would have passed each other without a second thought. I am still in contact with people I met in FFXI and WOW and yes EQ.

My opinion is that the toxic jabber in zone chat is usually from players on the younger side 18-24 ish. If we do have less time we want to spend it relaxing from our real life jobs, not debating something stupid in a video game. Not a matter of tolerating, I'd say more about the ability to ignore, laugh it off and see the absurdity of it. Toxicity bothers me but I also realize there is nothing I can do about it by engaging. My dad told me "never argue with someone whose opinion you don't respect" - kept me out of LOTS of arguments LOL.

I play ESO because I enjoy it it. I got tired of the senseless grind in WOW only to have all your gear become meaningless with the next expansion. I was GM of a server first mythic guild and the raiding grind got old as well. There is just not much else to do. I do play FFXIV but ESO keeps me pretty busy with the myriad of things to do.

I've played hundreds of single player console and PC games but you cannot compare an MMO to your hundreds of other games on steam, consoles and portable consoles unless you are comparing them directly to other MMO's. Maintaining an MMO and popping out the latest greatest single player game with 60 hours of content are two entirely different things. Apple and oranges.

In conclusion, in a virtual world there is no "age gap" unless you make one.

https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/

wow, that's super cool! For me, personally, I find it a bit weird to make friends online bc you can't read their facial cues or body language. I don't even use voice chat for this reason. Talking to some stranger while you can't see them just feels weird.

Inaya · March 2021

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

As of 2020:
The average gamer is 34 years old
70% of gamers are age 18 or older
60% of Americans play video games daily
45% of US gamers are women

It is NEVER safe to assume anything, including that "the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game". It is most likely a combination of many things that attract players of any age to any MMO.

I'm sorry you "feel the age gap" because the beauty of a virtual world is that age, appearance, etc. have little impact. I met my best friend Nick in WOW and he is 1/2 my age. When we met in real life we hugged and cried and said how thankful we were we met online because in the real world we would have passed each other without a second thought. I am still in contact with people I met in FFXI and WOW and yes EQ.

My opinion is that the toxic jabber in zone chat is usually from players on the younger side 18-24 ish. If we do have less time we want to spend it relaxing from our real life jobs, not debating something stupid in a video game. Not a matter of tolerating, I'd say more about the ability to ignore, laugh it off and see the absurdity of it. Toxicity bothers me but I also realize there is nothing I can do about it by engaging. My dad told me "never argue with someone whose opinion you don't respect" - kept me out of LOTS of arguments LOL.

I play ESO because I enjoy it it. I got tired of the senseless grind in WOW only to have all your gear become meaningless with the next expansion. I was GM of a server first mythic guild and the raiding grind got old as well. There is just not much else to do. I do play FFXIV but ESO keeps me pretty busy with the myriad of things to do.

I've played hundreds of single player console and PC games but you cannot compare an MMO to your hundreds of other games on steam, consoles and portable consoles unless you are comparing them directly to other MMO's. Maintaining an MMO and popping out the latest greatest single player game with 60 hours of content are two entirely different things. Apple and oranges.

In conclusion, in a virtual world there is no "age gap" unless you make one.

https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/

wow, that's super cool! For me, personally, I find it a bit weird to make friends online bc you can't read their facial cues or body language. I don't even use voice chat for this reason. Talking to some stranger while you can't see them just feels weird.

You kinda can tho. We were all always in voice chat in a group and you just naturally gravitate to some people more than other. You start doing things in game, chatting while you play.
Watch their game play. Is it similar to yours? Do they get angry when something goes wrong? If you're lost do they come back for you or leave you there? People feel freer to be themselves in our virtual world and you can tell a LOT about people without ever seeing their faces.

SilverBride · March 2021

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

I find it a bit weird to make friends online bc you can't read their facial cues or body language. I don't even use voice chat for this reason. Talking to some stranger while you can't see them just feels weird.

I met a guy in WoW shortly after it launched some 17 years ago. We have been friends ever since and have played a few games together. Right now he is playing WoW again and I'm here, but we keep in contact.

We have never met face to face because we live in different sides of the country, but I feel as connected to him as to my "real life" friends.

starkerealm · March 2021

tc91101 wrote: »

Misty wrote: »

I'm 67 by the way and was there at the very start.

Did you play MUD's? I loved those. Man I could type fast. I was a typing freak of nature.

I was a slow typer until IRCs. That's where I finally started picking up speed.

Nagastani · March 2021

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

Nagastani wrote: »

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

I'm in the 30-40ish age bracket.

So... the difference between the older generation and the younger generation, as I see it, in an unbiased sort of way, is we know what we want. It doesn't matter to us what someone else is doing because whether its old tech or new tech, whichever, it's not what we want. If that makes sense.

Secondly, new tech does not always equal better. For example, I don't watch much TV. I'm sorry but I would say most of the shows are just garbage, not unlike movies these days. The new Disney Star Wars films is a great example of this. Same for Must See TV and all the shows in between pushing a foreign political agenda of some sort that no one asked for.

See what I'm saying? And this will further blow your mind, my favorite television is old time western shows and films, spaghetti westerns etc. And old time comedies as well. Sure the picture and sound quality are not cutting edge however if you think about it for sec, that's what makes them great. It's great to watch films and shows that are not crammed with so much artificial CGI Trash, along with a garbage story line that feels as if it's written by a high school student.

Watched Citizen Cane one night and the next night, watched the Virginian and then Gunsmoke after that. Great Television with no agendas, realistic pacing, a plot I can relate to and great storytelling.

As I said, this is about age gap in the game, not personal preferences. My favorite composer is Tchaikovsky, and I can't tolerate pop music, kinda weird for a 20-y-o right? But I am majoring in Art History, so it's only normal that I took lots of film studies/composing/Renaissance/Baroque/Modern art courses. I watch lots of avant-gardes European films, but I also enjoy Hollywood classics from 70s/80s. Is it weird that I also have hundreds of game and dozens of game consoles? Sure, I'm peculiar, but people like me do exist.

My point is that personal preferences, or tastes, have a lot more to do with one's education and socioeconomic status instead of mere age. But I can say with certainty that no one's opinion is the same regarding the same object. That's why I opened this thread.

Ok but my point is that none of that really matters. Education and especially wealth does not necessary correlate with age and for some people, both can change over time depending on their circumstance. Even though eso is built on older technology there is something genuinely good about the game and so I stick with what I know is good. The example provided are problems that I see existing with technology now. And even more to that point, values seem to vary wildly between young and older players, which also affects their experience with the game. One example is generally speaking I look for reason behind actions whereas younger players seem to have it in their head that, "If I can do it, then I've done nothing wrong because its just a game" when sometimes just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. The big clash going on now between proc and non-proc sets speaks to this line of thinking as many players are very personally invested in how the sets affect them in PvP.

Yes it comes from my opinion on things however so does everyone else's reply to your post. Add to that, I would think my personal thoughts would be more important seeing how I am older, play the game and have noticed how things have changed over time, personally... which checks most if not all of your boxes on this thread. Wouldn't it?

No one has to like/dislike my post however please don't be dismissive of it just because you don't care for my opinion. Which, is right alot of the time, wisdom comes with age... or from learning from my mistakes over time hah.

Interesting thread though and I thank you for sharing this with us.

jircris11 · March 2021

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

Cash shops back in EQ days was limited to player trading. I think the older generation such as my self simply dont care as long as it does not hinder game play. As someone mentioned while some older games had CS they where not as aggressive as now days. Heck i cant log in without it being tossed in my face. But i also know a company must make money and cash shops are an easy fix. If having one means i dont need to pay full price for expansions then so be it.

jircris11 · March 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

What I was saying is exactly that older players are more tolerable towards monetization practices.

I speculate it's more the fact that older mature players have more control over their spending habits and don't feel the need to have every shiny on the Crown Store. Therefore it poses no threat.

when you said shiny i heard a skritt from guildwars 2 lol. But what you say tends to be true least in my group.