Age gap

Slyclone

As long as ZOS keeps it between 18 and 100. No less. We are equally adults.

Chips_Ahoy

Slyclone wrote: »

As long as ZOS keeps it between 18 and 100. No less. We are equally adults.

101 are not adults?

cynicalbutterfly

Chips_Ahoy wrote: »

Slyclone wrote: »

As long as ZOS keeps it between 18 and 100. No less. We are equally adults.

101 are not adults?

After 100, you become Immortal. Thus basically transcending adulthood into becoming a living god or goddess. I thought everyone knew this...

Vermintide

You guys are aware of the term "whale" right?

The reality is the overwhelming majority of players disapprove of expensive cash shop items; but there's a very slim minority of players who will compulsively spend and absolute fortune on that stuff. They're the ones making it profitable.

klowdy1

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

Wow has many players in the 50-70 range. GW2 has regular complaints about combat with arthritis. Runescape (end of example). Everquest (end of example). MMORPGs are for old people, because they were young(er) when they came out. This is a genre for old gamers.

AuraoftheAzureSea

What makes you think the “older adults”would have less free time? If anything, if I had to guess, I’d wager that having kids would have more of an impact than age. There are definitely single 40 year olds out there with more free time than early twenties couples with young children in the house!

Personally speaking, I have a lot more free time once I hit mid twenties and after grad school. College involved classes, and homework, and having a job. Having a steady hour 40 hour a week job gave me more gaming time, not less, and more disposable income.

Having more money and more free time is way more responsible for my toleration of cash shops then some “lack of familiarity with other games.” My Steam backlog is pretty darn huge, thank you very much.

Elsonso

klowdy1 wrote: »

Wow has many players in the 50-70 range. GW2 has regular complaints about combat with arthritis. Runescape (end of example). Everquest (end of example). MMORPGs are for old people, because they were young(er) when they came out. This is a genre for old gamers.

People complain about arthritis and an entire genre of games is for old gamers?

Crazyprophet

As someone in my late 20's I find I'm at a point where the age thing doesn't really matter to me anymore. I have online friends in their late teens/early 20's and I have online friends in their 40's and 50's and it doesn't really make a great difference - you just kinda accept people as they are and learn to interact with them in my experience

Nagastani

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

I'm in the 30-40ish age bracket.

So... the difference between the older generation and the younger generation, as I see it, in an unbiased sort of way, is we know what we want. It doesn't matter to us what someone else is doing because whether its old tech or new tech, whichever, it's not what we want. If that makes sense.

Secondly, new tech does not always equal better. For example, I don't watch much TV. I'm sorry but I would say most of the shows are just garbage, not unlike movies these days. The new Disney Star Wars films is a great example of this. Same for Must See TV and all the shows in between pushing a foreign political agenda of some sort that no one asked for.

See what I'm saying? And this will further blow your mind, my favorite television is old time western shows and films, spaghetti westerns etc. And old time comedies as well. Sure the picture and sound quality are not cutting edge however if you think about it for sec, that's what makes them great. It's great to watch films and shows that are not crammed with so much artificial CGI Trash, along with a garbage story line that feels as if it's written by a high school student.

Watched Citizen Cane one night and the next night, watched the Virginian and then Gunsmoke after that. Great Television with no agendas, realistic pacing, a plot I can relate to and great storytelling.

Sylvermynx

Nagastani wrote: »

I'm in the 30-40ish age bracket.

So... the difference between the older generation and the younger generation, as I see it, in an unbiased sort of way, is we know what we want. It doesn't matter to us what someone else is doing because whether its old tech or new tech, whichever, it's not what we want. If that makes sense.

Secondly, new tech does not always equal better. For example, I don't watch much TV. I'm sorry but I would say most of the shows are just garbage, not unlike movies these days. The new Disney Star Wars films is a great example of this. Same for Must See TV and all the shows in between pushing a foreign political agenda of some sort that no one asked for.

See what I'm saying? And this will further blow your mind, my favority television is old time western shows and films, spaghetti westerns etc. And old time comedies as well. Sure the picture and sound quality are not as good as todays however if you think about it for sec, that's what makes them great. They're named crammed with so much artificial CGI Trash with a garbage story line. Watched Citizen Cane one night and the Virginian and Gunsmoke after that. Great Television with no agendas, pacing, a plot I can relate to and really good storytelling.

I quite agree - I actually don't watch tv and haven't since the original Star Trek in the 60's. Movies.... well, I do a marathon run of certain series during a year: Indy (except for the stupid Temple of Doom one); several very old Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan James Bonds (nope, can't stand Daniel Craig); a bunch of Bogie oldies; The Hobbit and LotR (and then I reread the books - ALL of them.... even the most obscure ones attributable to Christopher Tolkien); Romancing the Stone et al; and some serious chick flicks like Pretty Woman, The Associate and the Sister Acts....

Husband sleeps, I watch and of course, cry....

Nagastani

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

It comes from the idea of one having the Freedom to be Wrong.

Secondly, it's an implied thing where I believe that people should be free to make their money, themselves, within the law and not be punished for it. There are ways of dealing with uhh marketing tactics and gimmicks and things like that which are annoying. However, in the business I work in, we have to make money, it must be profitable or those jobs go away - faster than you can imagine. No one likes to hear that and this newer generation, many of them seem to think everything should be free however that's not how it works.

There's more to it which is why it's so important that people understand, especially young people, that the way you see things from your ideal perspective is not necessarily how they work and also, not necessarily for the best to make unnecessary changes. If we're thinking about what's best for everyone it's better for a company that provides something we all enjoy to stay in business and let's talk about any issues we might have with them, rather than approaching the thing with an iron fist and unjustly cutting into people's lives.

Nightowl_74

I'm in my mid-forties and have more free time now than I ever had in the past. During my twenties I was working long hours, pretty much as many as I could get most of the time. Then in my thirties I had a young child. But now, with an older teenager and no reason to work full time anymore my schedule is pretty open.

I play a lot of games including one other MMO, mainly in the rpg genre.

Cash shops aren't exactly new to me but they certainly weren't around in the beginning of my gaming days when I was playing tabletop D&D and using graph paper to mark off every bush I burned in Legend Of Zelda, to make sure I didn't miss anything. A lot of things have changed, some for better and some in my opinion for worse. There's no return for me, in getting worked up over any of the things that I liked better in the "old days". I can be nostalgic at times and I'm not inclined to defend any system that I don't feel works well, just because it can be made to work, but I accept a game for what it offers or move on to another title. Even with the free time I have these days, I don't want to spend it all staring at a screen and there are more I enjoy playing than time to finish them.

All I can say about the people who like to bring up political issues in zone chat is that they aren't me. I'm happy to discuss politics in person but not online with strangers, because in my opinion it requires some diplomacy in order to be worthwhile.

Overall, most of the friends that I've made in MMO's are a bit younger than myself so I can't say I've really felt an age gap. Maybe in the case of a few very young players I've met, still in high school, but they've been few and far between.

VoidCommander

I’m 25, and I have had a problem with ESO’s monetization ever since they came out with lootboxes. If there was one thing i could change in the world today, I would make loot boxes in ALL gaming platforms illegal. Make the game companies actually work for my money, not prey on gambling addicts. Most players don’t even like using the crown crates:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/538196/research-poll-do-you-spend-more-on-crown-crates-or-regular-crown-store-items/p1

I agree that things that directly affect the “meta” for a player like race and class should never be behind a paywall, let alone the absurd $30 cost to get a race change when zos suddenly changes the passives. That was the biggest slam in the face, because at least when I bought chapters like Elswyer and Vvardenfell, I wasn’t JUST buying a class, I was getting tons of fresh content. Forcing meta players to buy race change tokens because they arbitrarily lowered the orc’s stamina bonus while raising the dark elf stamina bonus is just foul play in my book. ESO has enough going for it that they shouldn’t need to resort to candy crush level moetization tactics like that.

Tensar

There are so much old people here on ESO. I think it's because of the aesthetic of the game, and the gameplay.

TESO dosn't have a really dynamic gameplay, and it's not so hard.

Alurria

Tensar wrote: »

There are so much old people here on ESO. I think it's because of the aesthetic of the game, and the gameplay.

TESO dosn't have a really dynamic gameplay, and it's not so hard.

"Raise eyebrow" really?

Grey_Wanderer

Will be 51 this year (Decade 6...COMMENCE), so I've been playing games since that meant getting dropped off at the skating rink on Friday nights to play pinball. My guild is mostly older gamers, because honestly we share more historical and cultural milestones. So when just chatting, we identify more closely. That's just being human. That said, I get along with most anyone of any age.

Re: monetization, yeah, I've been the one the bean counters dream about. I like a lot of the cosmetic stuff and the housing. I do skyshards occasionally. It's just me and my cat, so I have free time and some disposable income. But I am increasingly dropping out of that due to it mostly just being dull reskins and prices that I think are unreasonably high. I have tried some actual P2W games, and I didn't last more than a day or two. Pay-for-convenience feels similar at first glance, but it doesn't compare to the real thing. Loot boxes/crates are predatory, imho. At least in Vegas I can get some good food and a show.

People who use the game to argue politics/culture war stuff get blocked. I'm here for the story and amicable chatting/cooperation along the way. The miserable [redacted]s who just want to [redacted] on everything, no matter the reason, can [redacted] right the [redacted] off.

Just my experience and opinions. YMMV.

Inaya

As of 2020:
The average gamer is 34 years old
70% of gamers are age 18 or older
60% of Americans play video games daily
45% of US gamers are women

It is NEVER safe to assume anything, including that "the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game". It is most likely a combination of many things that attract players of any age to any MMO.

I'm sorry you "feel the age gap" because the beauty of a virtual world is that age, appearance, etc. have little impact. I met my best friend Nick in WOW and he is 1/2 my age. When we met in real life we hugged and cried and said how thankful we were we met online because in the real world we would have passed each other without a second thought. I am still in contact with people I met in FFXI and WOW and yes EQ.

My opinion is that the toxic jabber in zone chat is usually from players on the younger side 18-24 ish. If we do have less time we want to spend it relaxing from our real life jobs, not debating something stupid in a video game. Not a matter of tolerating, I'd say more about the ability to ignore, laugh it off and see the absurdity of it. Toxicity bothers me but I also realize there is nothing I can do about it by engaging. My dad told me "never argue with someone whose opinion you don't respect" - kept me out of LOTS of arguments LOL.

I play ESO because I enjoy it it. I got tired of the senseless grind in WOW only to have all your gear become meaningless with the next expansion. I was GM of a server first mythic guild and the raiding grind got old as well. There is just not much else to do. I do play FFXIV but ESO keeps me pretty busy with the myriad of things to do.

I've played hundreds of single player console and PC games but you cannot compare an MMO to your hundreds of other games on steam, consoles and portable consoles unless you are comparing them directly to other MMO's. Maintaining an MMO and popping out the latest greatest single player game with 60 hours of content are two entirely different things. Apple and oranges.

In conclusion, in a virtual world there is no "age gap" unless you make one.

https://techjury.net/blog/video-game-demographics/

omnidoh

As someone who is 42, I'm old enough to speak for both brackets on either side of the line.
But the line isn't a chronological one, it's a temporally cultural one.

It isn't necessarily about chronological age, as much as it is about "Social Construct" age.
That and, the pace of cultural change is far more swift over the last 30 years than it was for folks who are now 50+.

As our species continues to to expand into our future by stubbornly holding onto obsolete antics and antiquated habits, there will be an ever-increasing gap between previous cultural "Ages", what most folks refer to as "generations".

I remember a time as a child when the only thing that resembled an electronic game was a Texas Instruments model 99 computer.
The Nintendo console arrived about 4 years later, and I was 11 years old before I had my first one.
Then came Super-Nintendo, Sega-Saturn, et al...

Throughout them all, the internet was completely absent, and "group-gaming" required you to travel to a local friends house in order to play together. No Smartphones, no snapchat, no facebook, and no "cash-shop".

I'm sure those of my elder-peer group can speak even more volumes on the shift in society even before that, when computers didn't exist anywhere but at MIT or NASA, and were only barely faster than human experts and old-fashioned pen, paper, and typewriters.

But since humans still havent evolved past their millenia-old greed before need habits, it was inevitable that we would all see monetization creep into everything, including our now intimately intertwined digital world.

As for politics, that will never change so long as humans are forced to co-exist without total autonomy, or forced to compete for resources, whether artificially or naturally scarce. They will forever argue, manipulate, subvert, and coerce each other whenever the opportunity arises, or can otherwise not be avoided. Welcome to Humans version 1.0.

Thankfully, version 2.0 is right around the corner...

Alurria

Speaking of age gap my first computer complete with GEM OP desktop system which was embedded in ROM memory so I had a full 520 bytes of RAM.

https://images.app.goo.gl/nuBvbGnpPNkAhKcQA

The good thing about change and technology is that those of us who loved tech when we were young still do, so we strive to keep up. Especially in the MMORPG area. My current PC is a Alienware icore7 with 64 gigs Ram. I think I came a long way.

Lugaldu

omnidoh wrote: »

As someone who is 42, I'm old enough to speak for both brackets on either side of the line.

Same here. The biggest "dilemma" in looking back at times without computers is that on the one hand they go together with sentimental feelings (how nice were those times of pen-and-paper role-playing, sitting together by candlelight all night), on the other hand, there appear almost withdrawal symptoms today if the power goes out for an hour and one is not able to use them.

omnidoh

Alurria wrote: »

The good thing about change and technology is that those of us who loved tech when we were young still do, so we strive to keep up. Especially in the MMORPG area. My current PC is a Alienware icore7 with 64 gigs Ram. I think I came a long way.

Yep, I'm right with ya there.
My current setup is an i7 hex-core with 64GB Ram and 16TB storage.
It's also an ultra-slim laptop, so...no bulky tower.

What's amusing is when there are folks who are half my age and still don't know how to navigate their own operating systems.

But it makes sense.
Those born into this era expect these things to be normal.
We didn't ask how a light-switch worked when we were young, and today's younglings don't ask how Windows 10 works.
They just double-click, swipe, or simply speak to their devices and they work.

When I was a kid, the thought of speech-to-text or voice-command over electronic systems was only a pipe-dream we enjoyed while watching Star Trek.

How the times have changed.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

omnidoh wrote: »

We didn't ask how a light-switch worked when we were young

I did. And I'm not all that old. Unless 55 is old. (Which it is, okay, okay, ow, stop hitting me.)

Goregrinder

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there's a large portion of players above 40 years-old in the ESO community. According to superdata, the average age for a mmorpg gamer in 2016 is 33. As for ESO, it is safe to assume that the Elder Scrolls IP potentially contributed to the older population's interest in the game.

As someone who's in the 18-24 age group, I can definitely feel the age gap sometimes, no matter in the game or on forum. Sometimes I wonder how old those who "debate" about irl politics in the zone chats are. Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. I thought about why this is the case, and I came up with the following answer: they probably don't have much time to devote to gaming. At the moment, ESO is possibly the only game that they regularly play now, so their tolerance is higher.

Again, as someone who has hundreds of games on steam, consoles, and portable consoles, gaming has evolved SO MUCH beyond the MMORPG genre. For anyone who plays games outside of the MMORPG genre, it's clear as crystal how some of the systems in ESO are outdated. "Other MMORPG did the same thing" is not a valid excuse anymore. Unless MMORPG is the only genre that player ever played, for decades even.

Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

You're sort of in the ballpark but you're off-base. It's not so much that we "tolerate" monetization, it is just that we have lived long enough to realize that things cost money. Everything costs money (or time, so we have simply decided that our enjoyment of the game outweighs our care for how ZOS wants to keep our game afloat. You are correct in that we usually don't waste our time on trivial pursuits, like ESO's monetization model. It's partly because we've already experienced worse...way worse. Another part of it is that we have learned a few things at this point in our lives:

1) Pick your battles. You can't fix everything, and you can't change everything you dislike or disagree with. The world spun around the sun before you showed up, and will continue to spin around the sun after you are gone. If something is arbitrary in the grand scheme of things, just find a way to deal with it and move it.

2) Your time is money. You've heard people say "time is money", and you may or may not really get it. But your time has a monetary value since things that cost money take time to create, and making money requires time. Everyone has a set value on their time, whether they realize it or not, and the older you get the more you value your time. So complaining about something inconsequential begins to seem like a waste of time the older you get.

So how does this related to ESO in any way? Well from your point of view we are "tolerating" the game's pay model, which implies you don't particularly like it. From our point of view, we have picked our battles and ESO's monetization model just isn't one of them. There are bigger fish to fry.

I can't speak for others but MMORPG's aren't the only genre I play. I started off playing competitive FPS games like Quake and Unreal, and still play CS and similar titles. I also got big into flight sims, and still play games like Elite and now Star Citizen. I'm sure there are people who only play MMORPG's, but I'm not one of them so I don't fit into the category of ESO player you've laid out. Also, a lot of us in our 30's and 40's have careers now where we're making a comfortable living so spending $200 on crowns to buy something we want feels pretty inconsequential from our POV. If I was still in my early 20's making ends meet, still eat ramen noodles, trying to save up for a new GPU or some new PC upgrade (like I used to do), $200 would seem like a lot of money and I'd probably not like the crown store very much. But eventually one day, if you make it that long, you'll begin to see the bigger picture.

Tensar

Alurria wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

There are so much old people here on ESO. I think it's because of the aesthetic of the game, and the gameplay.

TESO dosn't have a really dynamic gameplay, and it's not so hard.

"Raise eyebrow" really?

Yes really. It's more dynamic than old style mmo. But there are some other mmo today that are really dynamics. And on this kind of game I never see someone who is more than 40 years old.

cynicalbutterfly

Tensar wrote: »

Alurria wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

There are so much old people here on ESO. I think it's because of the aesthetic of the game, and the gameplay.

TESO dosn't have a really dynamic gameplay, and it's not so hard.

"Raise eyebrow" really?

Yes really. It's more dynamic than old style mmo. But there are some other mmo today that are really dynamics. And on this kind of game I never see someone who is more than 40 years old.

You'd be surprised if you took a poll in those other games I'm sure. Most people don't announce their age online nor do people really ask.

Girl_Number8

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I'm 73 - started playing tabletop D&D in the mid 70s, graduated to CRPGs in the mid 80s, and started MMOs with WoW in 2006. I've played all the TES games since Arena released in 1994, got to ESO kind of late, but better late than never I guess.

I don't mind the crown store - there's not all that much to do with my ESO+ crowns at this point. I'll buy a few crates in seasons I like (really looking forward to the Ayleid ones), but I don't buy things like skill lines as I prefer to run all my characters around to get lorebooks, skyshards, wayshrines and antiquities because that's what I find fun.

I don't expect to ever quit playing games until I'm on my deathbed (which may not be soon - three of my grandparents were over 100 when they died, and the fourth was late 80s).

This person is like my role model !!

I started eso when I was 15 when it first came out but I look forward to gaming for a very long time. It is my ‘me time’ and I don’t have to deal with my fiancé or anything else.

Ironically I met him on eso in PvP. It is nice to play together when our schedules coincide.

On people’s age gap I don’t see it OP

People are either fun to be around or not. I have seen all age groups spend lots of money but it is their money, so why does it matter.

SirAndy

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

... As someone who's in the 18-24 age group ... Open for discussion: how does the age gap affect you as a younger/older player in ESO?

You still have a LOT to learn young grasshopper ...

I personally pivot between feeling all warm and fuzzy when i see younglings taking this whole gaming thing way too seriously (as i once did) and annoyed when they can't stop talking about how i should (no, *need*) to play games the way they do.

redlink1979

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

(...) Moreover, a LOT of players seem to come from the EQ era, meaning that they've probably played this genre for decades. They seem more tolerable towards the game company's monetization practices. (...)

I don't agree with this assumption. Just because I have a stable job with a steady income doesn't mean I'm OK with monetization of this or any other game.
I'm still here because I still like to play ESO, I like the ES lore and I've made really good friends over the years.
I play when I have time available, if I don't have time I don't play but I will never spend my money on "shortcuts" of any kind to compensate the "lost" play time. On this or any other game I play.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

At 74 its all a game to me. My mountains are a game. I hope to be wandering in them till I die. I can climb 1500' up my nearest one, and fly my silly drone way out there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdf5KE2LjHs&ab_channel=ChrisCarson

This game is fun, I play it solo as grouping up requires discipline and showing up. Something I don't really do. I am good at solo games, well was, is probably more accurate. I did not come from RPGs and MMOs, I came from shooters and deathmatch and my root solo game is Stalker. Perhaps still the best solo shooter out there, and with the mods just amazing.

Still I'm not really good enough anymore, well its more work really, and Eve Online, although fun, is forcing changes I don't like much, so I came back to ESO after a long absence. Its been nerfed some more, that started right after it came out, and is now quite easy. There are tough bosses and trials to test the willing but overland is almost ridiculous. Now we have the Assault skill giving us a 30% riding speed boost for a few minutes in Cyrodiil, so horse training becomes far less important. The nerf goes on.

Fun for me though, I can still solo World Bosses and do Dungeons all by myself. My new MagNecro is fun too, my StamSorcs tend to be ridiculous, as I do know how they work, and he is fun because he gets killed once in a while.

I intend to walk up my mountains till I can't and I guess the same goes for ESO.

SilverBride

Maybe if people stopped buying crown crates and every new shiny that comes along there wouldn't be such a market for it.

A little self control goes a long way.