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ZOS don't destroy your own game by eliminating 90% of it's content !

  • WolfyRaps
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    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against procs will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.
    Edited by WolfyRaps on March 8, 2021 12:58PM
  • thatESOdude
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time
  • iksde
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    Armethius wrote: »
    Benefits to procs:

    - 100+ sets and millions of new build diversities

    and just 2-4 sets used anyway by 90% of PVP playerbase to cheese pvp combat
  • WolfyRaps
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..
  • phil.maricel08ub17_ESO
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    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

    I am a PVPer on 6 classes and 12 specs, and a top 0.1% PVPer at that so I might know what I am talking about. I like theorycrafting and I only play optimized builds on any class. Removing build diversity just makes the game extremly dull.

    Your name is Wolfy bro. I know you slinging more cheese than Kraft and Serginto combined. How is/was letting gear play for you actually fun or satisfying. ZOS is working on the mistake they made providing so many crutches for so many players. Let them do it without all the IMA CANCEL MY SUB ETC ETC ETC (when in reality, we know that's a hoax). Enjoy the next 6 months of actually playing the game yourself brotato, you may actually enjoy it B)
  • wazzz56
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    @WolfyRaps DId you play pre 1 t pvp? Pre IC? Just wondering, because most vetern PvPers look to that as when PvP was most enjoyable..and this current change will bring things closer to those golden days....
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  • WolfyRaps
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    wazzz56 wrote: »
    @WolfyRaps DId you play pre 1 t pvp? Pre IC? Just wondering, because most vetern PvPers look to that as when PvP was most enjoyable..and this current change will bring things closer to those golden days....

    No. I joined the game in spring 2018.
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.
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  • WolfyRaps
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.

    Wrong. As a default you would not use proc on a magsorc. Magden or Magblade needs proc sets to colse the gap on Magsorc. Thats why I say that procsets are actually good for balance.
  • EmEm_Oh
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    I'd like more added space in Cyro and massive buildings, more bridges to destroy, rivers you can swim in without getting slaughterfished but still killed by enemy weapons, etc.

    I'm doing fine without proc sets. But...I do hope they can still be used in the future.
  • Artorias24
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.

    Wrong. As a default you would not use proc on a magsorc. Magden or Magblade needs proc sets to colse the gap on Magsorc. Thats why I say that procsets are actually good for balance.

    Magden with procs is way stronger then a magsorc . So there is inbalance again. You should not let proc sets define balance.
  • Seraphayel
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.

    Wrong. As a default you would not use proc on a magsorc. Magden or Magblade needs proc sets to colse the gap on Magsorc. Thats why I say that procsets are actually good for balance.

    If you can improve MagBlade or MagDen with proc sets so much that they become competitive in defeating MagSorcs, why wouldn’t a MagSorc wear the exact same sets to achieve the same outcome? Please don’t tell me that Sorcs don’t benefit by proc sets as much as every other class. Proc sets might fill the gaps in skills other classes lack, but a strong proc set for Nightblades and Wardens is a strong proc set for Sorcerers as well.
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  • Artorias24
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.

    Wrong. As a default you would not use proc on a magsorc. Magden or Magblade needs proc sets to colse the gap on Magsorc. Thats why I say that procsets are actually good for balance.

    If you can improve MagBlade or MagDen with proc sets so much that they become competitive in defeating MagSorcs, why wouldn’t a MagSorc wear the exact same sets to achieve the same outcome? Please don’t tell me that Sorcs don’t benefit by proc sets as much as every other class. Proc sets might fill the gaps in skills other classes lack, but a strong proc set for Nightblades and Wardens is a strong proc set for Sorcerers as well.

    Depends. A magden on 4 procs can still be super tanky due to HP based heals. Sorc will be really squishy since shields will be small with a small magicka Pool.
  • Seraphayel
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    Artorias24 wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    AhSeLYaG wrote: »
    Lintashi wrote: »
    90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue
    İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

    I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

    Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

    It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

    I don’t get this argument.

    If a MagSorc is overpowered without proc sets, would enabling proc sets not make him even stronger? And if a MagBlade is weak without proc sets, but strong with proc sets, it would overall still be weaker than the MagSorc... it’s not like MagSorcs are not using OP proc sets to make them even more OP. So disabling proc sets eventually changes nothing in the hierarchy of OP builds / classes.

    Wrong. As a default you would not use proc on a magsorc. Magden or Magblade needs proc sets to colse the gap on Magsorc. Thats why I say that procsets are actually good for balance.

    If you can improve MagBlade or MagDen with proc sets so much that they become competitive in defeating MagSorcs, why wouldn’t a MagSorc wear the exact same sets to achieve the same outcome? Please don’t tell me that Sorcs don’t benefit by proc sets as much as every other class. Proc sets might fill the gaps in skills other classes lack, but a strong proc set for Nightblades and Wardens is a strong proc set for Sorcerers as well.

    Depends. A magden on 4 procs can still be super tanky due to HP based heals. Sorc will be really squishy since shields will be small with a small magicka Pool.

    Proc sets might make classes stronger than others, but in general those sets that are strong for one class are strong for other classes as well, just to a varying degree.
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  • thatESOdude
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds
  • Anyron
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    CipherNine wrote: »
    lol no procs do not make any of your characters unusable. You are in the same playing field as everyone else. Now people have to rely on their skill instead of proc sets playing for them.

    Sure and have magsorcs rule all as they do not need any proc sets. Proc sets provided balance as they offered a fighting chance to all classes. At similar top skill level a no proc warden gets eaten alive by a magsorc, as does any other class.

    The game was balance around proc sets, and I can atest to that because I play all 12 available class/ spec combinations.

    stamden ?

    you cant have your class be carried by proc sets and call it ballance.
    you cant build for health and resistances and still have enought damage to burst someone in 2 seconds.
    you can go for damage or for resistance but not for both. i call that ballance

    making warden as your example wasnt good idea because warden still can keep up with sorcs, even now
  • WolfyRaps
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds

    You cannot use Icy or Veteshran on sorc but you can on all close range mag classes. Thats a great equilizer right there.

    Me on my 12 chars I had about 30 Cyro viable builds. By comparaison now I have 1 (crafty/spinners sorc)..
  • wazzz56
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds

    You cannot use Icy or Veteshran on sorc but you can on all close range mag classes. Thats a great equilizer right there.

    Me on my 12 chars I had about 30 Cyro viable builds. By comparaison now I have 1 (crafty/spinners sorc)..

    LMAO this last comment isn't really helping with your self proclaimed topm .1% of all pvpers title.....sounds like you have been carried by sets and are lost now that you need to use a bit of skill tbh....
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  • WolfyRaps
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    wazzz56 wrote: »

    LMAO this last comment isn't really helping with your self proclaimed topm .1% of all pvpers title.....sounds like you have been carried by sets and are lost now that you need to use a bit of skill tbh....

    I just played a lot during quarantine. Leveled 12 chars, got about every set worth getting for PVP and now i cannot use them in Cyro because of this mindless restriction. So until is reverted Cyro is dead for me.. And so is for all other knowledgable players that are not fans of one build pony magsorc..
    Edited by WolfyRaps on March 8, 2021 2:17PM
  • Artorias24
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    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    wazzz56 wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds

    You cannot use Icy or Veteshran on sorc but you can on all close range mag classes. Thats a great equilizer right there.

    Me on my 12 chars I had about 30 Cyro viable builds. By comparaison now I have 1 (crafty/spinners sorc)..

    LMAO this last comment isn't really helping with your self proclaimed topm .1% of all pvpers title.....sounds like you have been carried by sets and are lost now that you need to use a bit of skill tbh....
    wazzz56 wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds

    You cannot use Icy or Veteshran on sorc but you can on all close range mag classes. Thats a great equilizer right there.

    Me on my 12 chars I had about 30 Cyro viable builds. By comparaison now I have 1 (crafty/spinners sorc)..

    LMAO this last comment isn't really helping with your self proclaimed topm .1% of all pvpers title.....sounds like you have been carried by sets and are lost now that you need to use a bit of skill tbh....
    wazzz56 wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    Scardan wrote: »
    WolfyRaps wrote: »
    I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

    Self-recognized?)

    Everything will be fine, relax.

    That is not the subject. It is just a way of saying that I am a veteran of the game and that I have the game knowledge necessary to say that proc sets are fine and needed for balance..

    New players crying against proc will die just as fast to optimized builds.. but this optimised builds will not be 10+ as before but an all powerfull magsorc and maybe stamblade..

    This makes the game much less fun for veterans. And new players will also realize that they will still die just as often unless in a ball group.

    So you are one of the most (selfproclaimed) skilled pvpers but you play 1 out of your 11 chars in pvp.

    Also "veteran" does not mean skilled or knowledgeable. It just means that you have been here long time

    Because all the other are on golden "proc" gear and would be much weaker than a magsorc in one of the 19 sets anyway.. So build diversity out the window..

    I play procs too because stats are not reliable (before the proc tests). But im not delusional to think that procs require more "skill" than procs... Procs do 75% of the work. all the work you need to do is... farming them...

    And what build diversity? Unless you are a potato and clueless using some random meme stuff, then during proc meta people used way way less than 19 proc sets for combinations as barely 10-12 sets are/were viable for proc builds

    You cannot use Icy or Veteshran on sorc but you can on all close range mag classes. Thats a great equilizer right there.

    Me on my 12 chars I had about 30 Cyro viable builds. By comparaison now I have 1 (crafty/spinners sorc)..

    LMAO this last comment isn't really helping with your self proclaimed topm .1% of all pvpers title.....sounds like you have been carried by sets and are lost now that you need to use a bit of skill tbh....

    I just played a lot during quarantine. Leveled 12 chars, got about every set worth getting for PVP and now i cannot use them in Cyro because of this mindless restriction. So until is reverted Cyro is dead for me.. And so is for all other knowledgable players that are not fans of one build pony magsorc..

    I dont play magsorc and i love how it is now :)
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    Good god someone thinks very highly of themselves.

    I doubt PVP even amounts to double digit percentages.
  • Dr_Ganknstein
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    iksde wrote: »
    Armethius wrote: »
    Benefits to procs:

    - 100+ sets and millions of new build diversities

    and just 2-4 sets used anyway by 90% of PVP playerbase to cheese pvp combat

    I ran a setup that used a set a lot of players didnt even know existed lol. Since they lowered the ceiling to the ground the game is getting boring. It feels like im logging into a session of Battlefield. Already got the sets I need, can't try anything out, not in cyrodiil anyway and thats where I enjoy pvp the most. There isn't any thought in builds anymore. Maybe a little but not enough to keep you going. Basically we were chasing the dragon and they just removed the dragon.
  • WolfyRaps
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    Good god someone thinks very highly of themselves.

    I doubt PVP even amounts to double digit percentages.

    There are at least 5M active players in ESO. I have the right to say I am in top 5000 after all the gear I gathered and all the hours I spent dueling in Bergama on all classes.. :)
  • WolfyRaps
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    There will be much less active players after this extremly dumb business decission but that is ZOSs problem..
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Enjoy the game, this patch looks good and stop complaining as always..
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