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This gets worse and worse.
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hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭You haven't been ripped off, you haven't not got something you paid for.
You read the description.
Its says "across all Tamriel" it doesn't say "across base game zones" see the difference?
It told you it's literally across the whole.game and that's going to include dlc zones.
And that ends your argument
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Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭You haven't been ripped off, you haven't not got something you paid for.
You read the description.
Its says "across all Tamriel" it doesn't say "across base game zones" see the difference?
It told you it's literally across the whole.game and that's going to include dlc zones.
And that ends your argument
how have we not been ripped off? They just excluded 90% of the game's item sets in the main pvp zone that people spent time and money to obtain. Some people don't like to play the cookie cutter meta that you will soon see all over Cyrodiil and its going to become boring.1 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭In Greymoor's description on the site it is stated "Uncover Tamriel’s History – Recover lost artifacts across all of Tamriel with the new Antiquities system." that doesn't tell me I need to pay fro it more.
That would be a question to ask whomever your national or local enforcer of advertising and product sales law is.
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etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭My final opinion is "All I want is regional prices. " I don't think there's really any value in continuing this thread
In the EU at least it is forbidden to charge a different price because of nationality or country of residence. You also cannot be automatically redirected to another website to prevent you from purchasing the product in another EU national area where it is offered for less.
Zenimax were one of the parties sued for this (along with others including Capcom and Valve). Zenimax were fined 1.6 million euro (about 2 million dollars). So for some countries at least regardless of the rights and wrongs of regional pricing it's simply not an option. I don't believe the EU is the only free trade area with such rules.
There's also a separate problem for vendors - people in "cheap" game areas will do things like sell/trade cheap crowns and game keys to people in expensive ones.
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's interesting how nobody thinks they are paying too much for this game.
Because I've paid less than $100 since 2016, and I have the base game, two chapters (Summerset, Morrowind), and all the story/zone DLC up through Murkmire (purchased during sale events, with the crowns I bought)? Plus a bunch of crown store costumes.
(I've had 2-3 months of ESO+ total, back in 2016 & 17)
Meanwhile, I played World of Warcraft from vanilla through Cata. I paid a sub every month that I played, and I bought three expansions. (Crusade, Wrath, Cataclysm) I paid vastly more for that game.
I paid about as much for SWtoR when I played it (bought a disc copy of the game, then a 'sale' bundle of 3-month sub+Shop Currency+Expansion cards for ~$70?) and I ended up playing that game a lot less - once my sub ran out, they piled on vastly more inconvenience than ESO does.
Probably paid at least as much for City of Heroes - I was subbed a bunch of months, and bought the game + Going Rogue expansion.
Eh. It's an MMO. It's going to cost more than a standalone AAA game (or three).2 -
Fajin✭✭✭etchedpixels wrote: »My final opinion is "All I want is regional prices. " I don't think there's really any value in continuing this thread
In the EU at least it is forbidden to charge a different price because of nationality or country of residence. You also cannot be automatically redirected to another website to prevent you from purchasing the product in another EU national area where it is offered for less.
Zenimax were one of the parties sued for this (along with others including Capcom and Valve). Zenimax were fined 1.6 million euro (about 2 million dollars). So for some countries at least regardless of the rights and wrongs of regional pricing it's simply not an option. I don't believe the EU is the only free trade area with such rules.
There's also a separate problem for vendors - people in "cheap" game areas will do things like sell/trade cheap crowns and game keys to people in expensive ones.
Totally not the case for my region. For example the game Hollow Knight which costs 15$, in my Steam costs like 6$ (converting the currency to its price rn)1 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Also ESO+ can be considered p2w because it gives you the same advantage with DLC. But I digress. Maybe it's not that p2w as I see it, but my point still stands I SHOULDN'T PAY MORE MONEY FOR CONTENT I ALREADY BOUGHT. I was promised archeology in the Greymoor chapter, then why can't I get literally the most crucial part of this system in the chapter I bought?
I think the point is that they're trying to bring life to older content with this. The whole point of antiquities system is that it kind of gives you purpose to go (back) to other zones that you may have never gone (back) to otherwise, and I for one think it's pretty awesome. Having put them all in Greymoor would serve the 'bought antiquities with Greymoor -> got all the antiquities with it' logic well, but it'd defeat the entire point of this system while also lagging the hell out of Greymoor (I still remember logging in there on the launch day with glorious 700 ping due to sheer amount of people there). Having put them all in Greymoor and base game...that'd work as a sort of compromise in a way, but I feel it's unfair to dlc zones. There're so many nice and fun dlc zones that there's little point in going to once you finish their quests/achieves etc, should they all really be neglected in any further game features just because someone hasn't bought them/doesn't have ESO+?
In the end it just kind of comes to that you cannot access all of the game's sets and features if you don't buy access to all of the game. It's unfortunate for those who cannot or don't want to pay for it for whatever reason, yes, but I really don't think it means that there should be no new content/features added to older dlcs (nor features locked behind dlcs in general, like BoP gear has been long before antiquities).1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's interesting how nobody thinks they are paying too much for this game. My main problem is that in my region this game doesn't offer you enough to cover the currency exchange rate. Maybe if this was 10 years ago when dollar was like twice cheaper, then I wouldn't complain about anything, but not in this situation.
All I want is regional prices.
Yeah, I can 100% respect this.
With ESO, I pay for the chapters and ESO+, so, in comparison to most MMOs... yeah, that's not bad. Also with the exception of a few edge cases (merchant, banker, inventory pets), I can honestly say, I'm not getting pressured into coughing up cash to be able to actually play the game. (Now, granted, I kinda view ESO+ as a part of the mandatory price to play, when it's technically not.)
I do spend more on stuff that rotates through the store, but none of that is, "you need this to play." Having come from a couple MMOs that went F2P (and became heavily P2W as a result), yeah, that something which appeals.
However, I'm entirely sympathetic that the prices may not be regionalized in your market, making the subscription significantly more onerous. I'm not faulting you for that. I'm not sure anyone is. It's the, "I want this, but I don't want to pay for it," appearance to your argument that's setting people on edge.1 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are sets with jewelry locked behind DLCs. Are you suggesting you should have access to those rings and necklaces because you can craft jewelry?
No this is in fact fine. What I am saying is that if a ring form the set was in the base game but the necklace was in DLC - this would have been wrong.
I wouldn't have trouble with a mythic item which has ALL its parts from a DLC. I am not fine with a mythic having part of it in base game part of it in DLC.
That makes no sense to me at all. The antiquity system is a way to get players active in a larger part of the game content. Putting all the parts in one zone defeats that purpose. Whether one part or all parts are in a DLC the result is the same. You can not get the mythic item without having the DLC where the parts are located.
Players going back to older content helps extend the life of the game. That is why parts are found in base game zones.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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Now go an play WOW, then an new expansion drops, the new quest rewards are better than your old raiding gear.Massacre_Wurm wrote: »
And you can not even touch the new overland content and dungeons nor do PvP after a few days as you do half the damage and take double damage or more.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭p2w is only on chapter because the only way to acquire a specific power that will give you an advantage, is the pay real money for the chapter. Mythics are disgusting and broken and should have never been added into the game. And i mainly talk about the malacath band in pvp which without you are gimping yourself, or wild hunt ring which helps everyone both in pvp to run or in pve to farm much faster than others.
i also talked about it here
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/555980/is-it-that-difficult-to-get-explanations-from-the-combat-balance-team
Amusingly, running Malacath or Wild Hunt in PvP for the next two quarters at least will be gimping yourself:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7149943/#Comment_7149943
and what has mythics to do with these tests? it's not like they disabled mythics, they disabled every set that has checks.
the idea is that these disgusting broken items are breaking pvp as a general rule, not only cyrodiil and it has nothing to do them being disabled or not, their part in making things more complicated and difficult remain-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You don't have to pay for jack, but the chapter. (3-6 months, you won't have to pay for that either.)
You could wait until a FreESO+ event and collect all the leads you need. You can then recreate them indefinitely at a cost of stones.
You unlock the ability to obtain and use the leads. You don't unlock the ability to access their prospective locations.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS2 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭If you are a PVP player, don't worry about DLCs or mystics now. With only 19 sets to choose from, you don't need to spend a dime in chapters or dlcs anymore...enjoy!!!2
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »You don't have to pay for jack, but the chapter. (3-6 months, you won't have to pay for that either.)
You could wait until a FreESO+ event and collect all the leads you need. You can then recreate them indefinitely at a cost of stones.
You unlock the ability to obtain and use the leads. You don't unlock the ability to access their prospective locations.
Also worth remembering, reconstructing mythics is cheap. Because it's a 1pc set, it will always cost 25 gems (like ability altering bows and resto staves), so you always have a "complete" collection.0 -
5_RAGEsMW✭✭✭Now to elaborate on this even more: this is pay 2 win because I need to pay twice to get an advantage.
For example if someone gathers mats for selling. They can gather more if they are faster. They are faster if they have the Ring of the Wild hunt. You need to pay twice to get it. That means that a person who hasn't paid twice gathers less resources in the same timeframe and thus gets less money from guild stores.
A person gets an advantage after paying = pay to win.
Of all things you could had chosen you went with the worst example.pvp sucks.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now to elaborate on this even more: this is pay 2 win because I need to pay twice to get an advantage.
For example if someone gathers mats for selling. They can gather more if they are faster. They are faster if they have the Ring of the Wild hunt. You need to pay twice to get it. That means that a person who hasn't paid twice gathers less resources in the same timeframe and thus gets less money from guild stores.
A person gets an advantage after paying = pay to win.
Well, you can't win the game - so it's not. How would you even begin to consider to have won the game?
with eso+ you get all the content - well, just not the latest chapter, but it will come to eso+ as well about a year later - not every feature of it though, like new classes are not included.Edited by Lysette on March 8, 2021 12:23PM1 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭I see many people don't understand what "pay-to-win" means. It doesn't mean you can't complete content or you can't be competitive in PvP. It simply means if you pay you get major advantages that are not merely time-savers, or convenience, or cosmetic in nature over players that don't pay.
So the topic was misdirected to whether the original poster actually paid for the pay-to-win thing or not, instead on the actual point which is "Hey, ZOS stop adding pay-to-win stuff to the game before you ruin it and kill it like many other games have done."0 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭If you are a PVP player, don't worry about DLCs or mystics now. With only 19 sets to choose from, you don't need to spend a dime in chapters or dlcs anymore...enjoy!!!
Yeah to that you have to play in dead, laggy Cyrodiil. Because in Battlegrounds it's till all proc sets with malacath band.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are sets with jewelry locked behind DLCs. Are you suggesting you should have access to those rings and necklaces because you can craft jewelry?
No this is in fact fine. What I am saying is that if a ring form the set was in the base game but the necklace was in DLC - this would have been wrong.
I wouldn't have trouble with a mythic item which has ALL its parts from a DLC. I am not fine with a mythic having part of it in base game part of it in DLC.
But what about all the furnishings that exist in DLC zones? Mythics are a tiny part of the Antiquities system.
As others have pointed out, the part were put in places that sort of made lore sense, regardless of whether they were in DLC zones or not. And Murkmire is a DLC that we all got for free as a login reward if we were playing when it was launched.
Regardless, as others have said, there are free ESO+ weeks/weekends, so just be patient and get the leads during those events if you want them.The Moot Councillor1 -
Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »So...
Stranglers require you need to enjoy fishing.
Reading this brought back all the horror of getting this mythic in terrible clarity. Divines save us, may they never lock another mythic behind fishing. 😱
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Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
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In Greymoor's description on the site it is stated "Uncover Tamriel’s History – Recover lost artifacts across all of Tamriel with the new Antiquities system." that doesn't tell me I need to pay fro it more.
Two things...
First off that statement is 100% correct, players can recover artifacts from all over Tamriel, only a very small percentage of which are mythic items.
Second, that statement should have been a very large red flag if you don't have access to travel across "All of Tamriel" already. They didn't say they were giving you all of Tamriel (access to all DLC's), they did however tell you quite clearly you would need said access, if you choose to recover everything or even possibly something in particular as you are talking about.
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lillybit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's no different to what they did in Summerset with Jewellery Crafting - buying Summerset gave you the ability to craft jewellery but some sets are still in DLC areas that you might not be able to get to. OK, not exactly the same because you might have access to them in a guild hall but it's the same basic premise.
As has already been mentioned tho, there are plenty of free ESO+ events and with the stickerbook you only ever need to collect each lead once and you can make as many others as you want at any time.PS4 EU0
