karekiz wrote: »

I think its just ironic that a class with an entire heal line has the worst tank self heal.

karekiz wrote: »

I think its just ironic that a class with an entire heal line has the worst tank self heal.

tbf I think they dont want one class to be AMAZING at 3 different roles. templar might be the best dps and best heal, you can make an argument.

SavageChain wrote: »

Buff sun shield into a usable state, but dont ask for a health based heal ability. Such healing skills are atm the bane of PvP and allows two classes to be much stronger than others (stamcro and stamden)..

What you could do with it is make it the opposite of blazing shield. where taking damage stores up a heal that heals you when it pops, might be really good now shields use your resists.

My main tank is a templar and I have literally no idea what you're talking about. I've tanked everything in this game with the sole exception of KA (don't have Greymoor) and can manage almost anything without a healer. I constantly outheal anything thrown at me, almost never go below my shields. I often outheal healers and almost never require any healing outside my own. I outhealed Warrior, tanked Nahvi on Mark without switching (needed some heals there though), tanked Lokke and ads at the same time, solo tanked AA, finished BRP and never had any problems. Even if I get outdamaged (meaning my DTPS is higher than my HPS) it's by a factor of a couple hundred meaning radiating regeneration from time to time is enough to keep me up. I absorb north of 60-70% of the damage taken using sun shield and, depending on how hard the boss is trying, usually end up north of 4.5k HPS just keeping myself topped up. I'm north of 91% mitigation just by pressing three buttons.

The only problem I have is the "one trick pony" feeling I get when I'm tanking on my plar and a slight lack of utlity compared to some other classes. But moving sun shield behind shield mitigation would be borderline insane. My sunshield absorbs 14.5k, which would translate to 165k effective HP if block mitigation was to be included in the shield. That doesn't sound very balanced to me.

Best regards,
Kal

@ZOS_Gilliam This is still a big problems for tankplars. Just give templar a tank heal and some sustain and be done with it. It would result in much more tanks and that's really needed.

BejaProphet wrote: »

I’m confused about something in this thread. Shields have long since been moved behind mitigation.

Did that change? Are you unaware of this? Or are you asking it to be moved behind BLOCK mitigation?

I would want tankplars to get a heal so we can tank trial HM like vKA execute and vCR execute etc, like EVERY other class can. Shields do have resistance now but that means absolute nothing in the harder content since everything hits really hard in newer, high end, content.

If they refuse to give tankplars a heal one solution could be to move radiant shield behind block mitigation, and only that skill. This would be very strong in pvp but nowdays that part of the game doesn't work anyway.

Tanking veteran dungeons and trials in general even a mudcrab can do.

honey_badger82 wrote: »

I main a Imperial Stamplar tank. I have completed veteran DLC dungeons tanking with him. It works for me but because of how much thought I had to place in the build and yes as OP stated I have 0 big insta heals since it is also a DPS back bar so no room for vigor.
In 5 medium pieces of armor I get 31k resistances when blocking due to Grave Guardian set so usually spamming radiant ward while standing in Ext. Ritual, Restoring focus and Turn Evil AoEs and blocking hoping I can hold till Rally pops is the only option I have for a large self heal.
Should I have enough ultimate built up I can pop Reviving Barrier but I try and save that for when it benefits the whole group.
It is a super fun build and the closest I think to a Paladin the game offers (protects group members with shields and armor buff and war horn buffs when I slot it, can hold the enemy, turn evil and when on BB can dish out decent damage).
With that said I don't do trials with it, would be a handicap to my team for sure and I only do vet DLC content with guildmates who know what I am running. There are so many elitist out there that are expecting a DK tank so they can be given Major Sorcery and Brutality because they dont want to add it to their build as it weakens their dps output typically.
In my opinion giving stamplars a some sort of group buff like that would go a long way towards making them more viable in trial content. Synergies don't count as all classes provide these.

I would love to see your build if you wouldn’t mind to share it. I’m working on a Khajiit stamplar tank (S&B / 2H) and would love to see what you use on your tank.

Templar tanking is definitely the worst of the six classes.

I've done all the vHM trials with all my tanks (one of each class) and by far Templar feels the worst and makes it harder than it already is and requires more support/attention from healers at times.

The biggest thing they need is a health based self heal. The homogeneous comment I saw earlier in the thread is ridiculous as that can be applied to any argument about any skill. Why does every class need a heal of any type at all? Why do they need a mit, why do they need this buff or that damage, etc. So let's look at what they need to do the job better and worry about other random factors after we start building balance.

IMO every tank needs a solid health based self heal to burst heal through some of the damage in the game and be self sufficient at points. I'm not saying the game can't be played at the highest level on a templar tank, I've cleared the HMs on the trials. But as someone that has done them on other classes as well, it was a significant difference in how hard it was for no other reason than the class.

Also, those worried about PvP balance. I've also played all my classes in pvp and templar is by far one of the worst in the current meta, and only feels worse in the no proc test. In fact, the class is so bad that most people talk about mist form as if it's an actual Templar skill. Not sure how this will change on the next patch, but I don't think a self heal will throw it out of wack. Especially if you tie it to a morph of one of their other group heals to make them choose between helping group or being selfish. Every other class has a health based self heal... DK - Dragon's Blood, NB - other cloak morph that some use to great effectiveness if they are willing to drop invis, Necro has scythe but also several other great healing options in their tool kit to stack, Warden has the wind that also has two great morphs, one that heals a partner and the other than does a CC, Sorc has the clanny (but also bird which is better than breath and dark deal on top of the self heal if they don't want to run clanny).

The addition of the selfish morph of vigor did help healing for Templars, but it's still frankly enough to put them on equal footing with other classes. And the bad part is they don't even bring anything additional to the table vs. other classes for what they lack in that category.

Personally I'd split the breath of life morph - make honor the dead work as it does now, but make breath of life a health based self heal that throws the side heal out to someone randomly (like the warden heal). But this makes players choose between a big heal for their team mates or a selfish heal for tanking needs.

I'd also make Power of the light and it's other morph have a unique pen, even if it was a smaller amount like 1K. That way it would be something unique a healer or tank could bring to a party (or even a dps templar) in a group.

I still think tying toughness to warden only is too strong and would like to see it, maybe not added to other classes whole-hardheartedly, but giving other classes access to it through specific skills. Like maybe standing in your circle gives you minor toughness or dropping a purify, etc. It still gives warden the chance to proc it with literally any heal they do, even non-class, so still strong for them without locking that buff in a pay-for class.

And I'd like to see a bit stronger radiant aura shield and morph. It was ok when the minor protection you got in addition to using it was stronger, but after that change it lost a little bit of lustre. I'd either flat buff it, or add a unique protection buff like necro's ghost to it. Either way it needs to be more useful. I'm sure there are other creative uses you could come up with to help it instead as well, like adding a small HoT to it for one morph for each enemy hit instead of damage.

I'd also like to see less players talking about how powerful a class is because they fought one guy really good on that class in pvp and actually play that class yourself and every other class for weeks as you fight hundreds of different playstyles and builds across the pvp pop and see how it really feels in comparison to other classes. Same for tanking, don't talk about how you feel b/c it's homogenous, or don't watch some twitch tank play a templar on the 500th run they've done in a trial they know front and back with some of the top players making up for anything they lack in their build and dps pushing past mechanics, actually do it yourself with various groups and see how the class feels to play vs other classes.

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

The entire Templar arsenal is string together and band-aided around jabs.
Everything else is a subpar mess to be honest. Jabs have been OP since forever but they've taken to nerf everything else around it to give it a resemble of balance. Honestly Templar needs a complete overhaul balance wise.

-No major sorcery/brutality
-No HP based heal
-Restoring and Dawn Wrath ulti honestly suck. They're so bad.... Really bad.
-Sustain/Major resolve from Rune Focus is a joke, I don't think they could make a much smaller circle to stand in, without having a laugh at us, even if they tried.
-No AOE hard CC

Also when you parse on a mag templar you literally can't even see your own character animations from all the bright lights everywhere.. Tone it down, please.

You know, just making that circle twice as large would actually help it be more useful.

I get around the healing/CC problem by making my templar a healtank. I have so much passive AoE healing from my build I don't need a healer and my group doesn't either even without AoE CC.

It would be nice to make a traditional support tank without being objectively the worst though.