Pauwer wrote: »

You can't evil in this game.

Most often not, as the player character is always supposed to be the nice guy that helps people. Of course you could just play some antisocial evil person that doesn't really like to help anyone, but you won't get many quests done then. The only "evil" choices I still remember (without thinking about it deeper and leaving out all things related to thievery and assassination - latter as in "Dark Brotherhood" content) would be freeing Mannimarco, helping Sun-in-Shadow, and not saving someone from cannibals (in the Forgotten Crypts in Deshaan). Plus a few slavery-related quests in Dunmer regions, if you see it from a modern real life perspective (from my Dunmer main's point of view he was very polite and helpful when he returned a Breton slave to her rightful owner, a Dunmer woman; if someone loses their property, as a nice person of course you return it - it was in Shadowfen, I think). I'm sure there are a few more quests where you can debate if you have an immoral/unethical choice, but they're clearly the minority. But that's how TES games are. You're the hero, you help people, and in the end defeat some great evil of some kind. You are not the great evil

Varana wrote: »

To be fair, the Argonian Telvanni quest in Sadrith Mora is not a bad quest, by itself.
It has a deeply flawed character at its core who isn't very likable - and she was designed that way. (Except for her name - Sun-in-Shadow sounds cool. ) It is kind of the point of the quest line: the Telvanni are not a nice bunch of people

I saw it more as an example that (unfortunately!) people do not necessarily learn from own suffering, that awful behaviour is not based on race, and how ruthless some people can be if they strive for power or social status. Of course it's also a characterization for Great House Telvanni: that everyone, literally everyone, even a slave, can get a high rank in their House if they have enough determination and the necessary knowledge. It generally showed the way House Telvanni works from the inside, with information trade, council debates, rank promotions, and all that. I think it was interestingly done. Breaking it down to "the Telvanni are not nice" (Everyone? Even the lower ranked "common" members - alchemists/apothecaries who are basically doctors, writers of scientific books about flora and fauna, Dwemer historians who are just interested in their research, sellers of magical equipment...?) seems too simple to me.

I agree with you though, that a quest is not neccessarily "bad" just because the characters are evil, the content is depressing or whatever - I appreciate good storywriting, which also can include not-so-nice themes, of course. What makes a quest bad and unenjoyful for me is if it has annoying mechanics or is just too repetative and boring. My personal opinion, of course others can see it differently.

kaisernick wrote: »

the worst one for me was the one in vos where the leader (again a Telvanni) makes you go all across the island to gtaher stones for such a boring and simple payoff with crap reward.

Storywise it was meaningful for people who have played TES3. By that quest, you help Misstress Dratha (who is severely ill and has visions of the Nerevarine prophecy in her half dreamlike state) to become immortal by a Daedric pact, so she can take her role centuries later when the Nerevarine returns. You indeed meet her again as the Nerevarine, although she has turned completely insane by then.

pod88kk wrote: »

The one in Coldharbour where you have to follow the light but get attacked by adds and it keeps resetting

I still hate that quest so much.

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Went in to solo a dungeon. Apparently it was a group dungeon. Got the quest.

Weebled my way through it fine up to a point. After clearing a room it said to trigger the pressure plates.

Went back and forth to the plates, but no interaction came up. Finally googled it and found out it Required 2 characters to stand on the plates simultaneously.

Left and dropped the quest.

That sounds like Direfrost Keep, and it's (one of) my least favorite quests for a different reason.

The pressure plates aren't a problem if you're in a group, but then the quest requires an extra boss battle that doesn't happen (or drop loot) if you don't have the quest. The result is that not only is the quest un-soloable, but it's also a huge inconvenience for your group if they don't also need the quest.

I've had cases where I needed the quest and my group was in too big a rush to finish the dungeon to help (I think one time I soloed the fight but missed another boss in the process because my group ran ahead, and another time I stuck with the group and had to do the dungeon twice to complete the quest), and other cases where I've just wanted to get through the dungeon and instead had to wait for a dawdler who was doing the quest and also stopped to loot every single piece of junk in the whole dungeon.

Its soloable. You open the lever and enter the troll infested tunnel, kill boss trough gate and then go die to respawn at dungeon start. Then take blue portal and u will be inside room where boss was

This one I remember still. It was a nightmare. Didn´t help that it was also bugged for a long time and so many players tried to do the same quest.

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The Telvanni quest on the islands in Vvardenfell. Very long, very boring and ultimately had nothing to do with the Telvanni. Greatly disappointing.

Reading through the comments it seems the Sadrith Mora quest is the most-hated one in the whole game. xD

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Went in to solo a dungeon. Apparently it was a group dungeon. Got the quest.

Weebled my way through it fine up to a point. After clearing a room it said to trigger the pressure plates.

Went back and forth to the plates, but no interaction came up. Finally googled it and found out it Required 2 characters to stand on the plates simultaneously.

Left and dropped the quest.

That sounds like Direfrost Keep, and it's (one of) my least favorite quests for a different reason.

No it's Alikr desert public dungeon. But it got adjusted to be solo able

TwinLamps wrote: »

Quest just outside of Cropsford.
You are expected to poison a goblin that is basically treated as pet by some Breton cook.
You cant even refuse to do so. And worst of all, quest is counted toward cropsford adventurer, so not completing it blocks several Cyrodiil related achievements.

This quest is not only bad for its lack of decision making by the player, but also degrades player to level of lowlife scum.
Same player that saves Nirn from Molag Bal, Dragons, Vampire lords, various other daedric plots...
And that player is expected to poison another man's pet like that.
Whoever made this quest isnt good writer in my book.

I agree, I did not like this quest. It's called "Goblin's Delight." Even the name is horrible.

TwinLamps wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Went in to solo a dungeon. Apparently it was a group dungeon. Got the quest.

Weebled my way through it fine up to a point. After clearing a room it said to trigger the pressure plates.

Went back and forth to the plates, but no interaction came up. Finally googled it and found out it Required 2 characters to stand on the plates simultaneously.

Left and dropped the quest.

That sounds like Direfrost Keep, and it's (one of) my least favorite quests for a different reason.

The pressure plates aren't a problem if you're in a group, but then the quest requires an extra boss battle that doesn't happen (or drop loot) if you don't have the quest. The result is that not only is the quest un-soloable, but it's also a huge inconvenience for your group if they don't also need the quest.

I've had cases where I needed the quest and my group was in too big a rush to finish the dungeon to help (I think one time I soloed the fight but missed another boss in the process because my group ran ahead, and another time I stuck with the group and had to do the dungeon twice to complete the quest), and other cases where I've just wanted to get through the dungeon and instead had to wait for a dawdler who was doing the quest and also stopped to loot every single piece of junk in the whole dungeon.

Its soloable. You open the lever and enter the troll infested tunnel, kill boss trough gate and then go die to respawn at dungeon start. Then take blue portal and u will be inside room where boss was

No, they "fixed" that so you can't interact with the lever.

Varana wrote: »

To be fair, the Argonian Telvanni quest in Sadrith Mora is not a bad quest, by itself.
It has a deeply flawed character at its core who isn't very likable - and she was designed that way. (Except for her name - Sun-in-Shadow sounds cool. ) It is kind of the point of the quest line: the Telvanni are not a nice bunch of people.

Ideally, a "good" quest is not one that you would do with every character, in terms of role-playing, unless there are severely different outcomes pre-written into the game. Sun-in-Shadow is one of the more memorable characters in the game - almost everyone who read the vague allusion to this quest in this thread, knew who we were talking about. That makes that quest already stand out against many others.

Yeah, it seems to be a popular worst quest, but I liked it. It had some traits that puts it on the "bad quest" list for me, like with how you are forced to do or can't prevent certain actions. But the characters made up for it, because they were well made and memorable. I've even saved some quotes said by Eoki, and Sun-in-Shadow might not be a nice person, but she is an interesting character.

Any quest with “Rigord the Brash”. They all just involve running across the map collecting things with no interesting plot.

The quest to earn Balance on my tank and Meteor on my Magsorc (console, so no add-ons 😡)

I refuse to complete Cropsford on principle, achievement be ******.

Same for Cormount, but just because I'm petty.

In general, I'd like more opportunities for my character to add 2 and 2 together. Like in the Bangkorai story quest, there's a book in Halin's Stand that heavily suggests what Septima is planning, but I can't make use of that knowledge.

nukk3r wrote: »

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Kill 40 players

This comment is underappreciated.

I feel "kill 20 Wardens" is worse because there aren't many around and they are also very hard to kill. The kill 40 players doesn't need killing blows so if you just get into a siege somewhere you'll get there fast, but you don't have 20 Wardens available most of the time. Capture 3 keeps is also really daunting since they need to be separate and if Blue Road Keep or Alessia are the only keeps flipping back and forth for hours and you have no competent group available, that sucks.

Hands down, finding everyone for the quest The Army of Meridia back when it was constantly bugging out, and they had to do fixes to fix the fixes on it. I never wanted to do it again, not to mention the incessant running around Coldharbour which I still don't like to this day, yuck.