if they could reduce cost by half, and make the max near 1800 i could be fine with it!

Imagine beginning this game from scratch and you're told:

You have to get to level 50

And then I'm done?

No my friend then you get to cp160 to get max gear.

And then I'm done?

No my friend, then you need 3600 CP points, then you're finished.

How long will that take?

Well.. If you play 6 hours a day.. Yeaaars XD

Kurat wrote: »

Why does everyone wanna be max cp lol? Especially if you're mediocre player. Dungeons are full of current "max" cp810s who hit like wet noodles. Can you imagine being cp3000+ and being carried by cp300. That's what's gonna happen because the new cp system only adds 15-20% dps. People with 0 cp but with decent build and rotation can outparse high cp players. I would be embarrassed if that happened to me. So rather work on your dps than obsess about max cp.

For me it's not so much about wanting to be max CP when the new system is introduced. I am afraid it will take me 5 years or more to get from 1200 to 3600. In 5 years I am sure the max will be more than 3600, how much, who knows. But in essence I am afraid that I will never attain max level, ever.

I am promoting and endorsing ways to implement the system that in some way should ensure that I can attain max level in 2 to 3 years. It took me 6 years to get to 1200, so 12 more years to get to 3600? It goes a lot slower now so if nothing changes post 1200, 15, 20 years, really?? Sounds cool!!

It's about feeling like you are progressing and not stagnating. It is also about how long it should take a day 1, level 1, new player to attain max level, or should they never get there? It is not about being max level out of the gate. I have opposed the topic of free CP or some kind of experience conversion adjusting CP to the new XP curve. I am more worried about the long game than the short game myself. Not sure how many others share that concern, but just my 2 cents.

Kurat wrote: »

Why does everyone wanna be max cp lol? Especially if you're mediocre player. Dungeons are full of current "max" cp810s who hit like wet noodles. Can you imagine being cp3000+ and being carried by cp300. That's what's gonna happen because the new cp system only adds 15-20% dps. People with 0 cp but with decent build and rotation can outparse high cp players. I would be embarrassed if that happened to me. So rather work on your dps than obsess about max cp.

The problem is not max CP, its the question "How long does it take to make use of the system?".

The new CP system comes being partly "must have" vertical progression and "choices" horizontal progression.

I currently have 1350 CP on the PTS. Thats the equivalent of ~670 Million XP in the old system. For comparison 810 is ~195 Million. Based on the current XP gains on PTS a player that reaches 810 when the patch hits would require ~340 Million XP to reach me.

Lets have a look at the green tree first. It just has nice support for misc activities. With my current CP i can get a nice passive star filled and can get my 4 most important active stars. Thats it, there are no more CP left. To be just able to have more active stars to choose from i would need to get much higher in CP and that doesnt include the passive stars at all. This means i can neither complete passive bonuses nor can i get additional active bonuses to choose from during my playtime. All i can do is moving points from one side of the tree to the other every time i want to do something different. Now mind you that even in the new system CP810 is worth ~165 Million XP and CP1350 is worth ~500 Million. So gats quite an extra amount to level just to be still not able to utilize it.

Now lets look at the other 2 trees. Iam a Tank player. My CP are not enought to get all relevant bonuses for my role (cost reduction, defence, healing). I would get another 300-600 CP to get it filled. This would be ~180 to ~640 Million XP. Now look again at the XP i already earned through the time i play this game. Even best case this could take months. But i also ant to be able to utilize it for overland and arena content, so i have to get some DD stuff too. You notice where this is going?

From the examples you see that i will in no way be able to utilize the tree beyond some basic bonuses and will not be able to utilize it further for a very long time. The tree supports my playstyle perfectly, but the low CP gain prevents me from using it. Additionally they already plan to add more stars und with that likely cap raises. But how am i ever able to use it? Another important question is how is a new player ever able to use it? We are looking at years of leveling in a speed where you can be happy if you can buy an expansive star every few months.

Saying "3600 CP will take years to acquire" is not a mindblowing feedback since that's very much the the goal. They want a system that lasts for the remaining life span of ESO, or at least the next 4-5 years.

While I also dislike having such a daunting number for the end-game progression system, I very much doubt they will lower it.
For one, there are quite a few people who are actually at the hard cap, so they can't just cut it in half or something.
Two, having a range of 1-100 allows for better jump points. You wouldn't be able to neatly do a stage that requires 2.5 CP, but you can do one that needs 25.
Three, the high number allows level ups to happen more frequently. Instead of one level requring 10M XP you can do 10 levels for ~1M each. Gives you a sense of faster progression.

But in this system it's not just an illusion. Thanks to the free-floating stars, like Arcane Supremacy, you can technically make progress every level. Since these stars give you extra stats for a single CP you can dump all your extra ones in them. And once you have enough CP to buy a stage for a less flexible star, you just take them out and buy that one.

What ZoS needs to make sure is that the vertical ceiling is sensibly low, and they are trying to do that, as evidenced by the massive stage-cut of v6.3.2