Do you respect ball groups?

Mayrael · February 2021

Yes

zvavi wrote: »

I mean... I don't like them but they are PvPing in an efficient way, it is not their fault I have no PvP friends.

Exactly. It's not that I don't like them, I just don't like the way they impact server performance. But I respect them, long time ago I had few occasions to run with Shido and his SWAT, basically the people who introduced ball groups to this game - you have to have respect for they way it is all organised and performed. Now it's a bit of performance abusing but still, I do respect them.

exeeter702 · February 2021

No

It's a legitimate way to play amd indont have an issue with people that partake in that playstyle. Cyrodil design promotes, incentivizes, and encourages it to say the least. The path of least resistance for yields will ALWAYS be taken in mmo RPGs, full stop.

But respect? Not really. I dont regard cyrodil pvp endeavors to be particularly impressive or indicative of quality pvp. By the very nature of player count in a pvp environment, cyrdoil ball groups greatly reduce the actual burden of performance a single player is accountable for. Plenty of players are cushioned by groups and are not particularly good. Many that generally spend most of their time in eso playing in cyrodil are never faced with a situation that demonstrates to them irrefutably that they have much room to improve or that they clearly were outplayed or outmatched.

exeeter702 · February 2021

No

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

I applaud when a ball group decimates a zerg. The zergs who pvdoor are the worst type of group.

Exactly! A ball group is nothing wrong with it. Pretty ridiculous to me that groups that coordinate are somehow bad. I'm never in one but it seems reasonable that in a mode where you're supposed to be in groups and not dueling that some of those groups will be coordinated.

It's the giant zergs that win because there's like 50 people that are lame. I mean I like following em around for ap because I mostly pve, but it's not really skillful.

4 skilled players would say about a ball group, that which your ball group would say about a zerg. It's all relative. The more individuals in a group compared to the opposition, the less influence or responsibility each individual player in said group has on the win condition.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

Yes

JanTanhide wrote: »

Have no problem with them at all.

This. In many ways I farm them sometimes while they try and farm whatever random group I’m standing next to.

The only issue with this strategy I have is when the ball group just sits at a resource without actually doing anything to help their alliance. But then again, that actually helps my alliance so whatever.

Usually I’ll give the ball group one death of mine in exchange for a few deaths from them. Maybe if I’m feeling frisky I’ll give it a second try. After that I’m just going somewhere else because they are essentially taking 20 or so players away from objectives.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2021

It's not about respect for me. I have no issues with them as a playstyle, especially if they are playing the map and not just trying to farm resource.

My issue with ball groups is that they are detrimental to the servers. ESO simply can't handle them from a performance standpoint, so I think the playstyle should be discouraged both by the Players in the decisions they make and the Devs in terms of balance decisions that make them effective.

worrallj · February 2021

Yes

Dame_Scorpio wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

Dame_Scorpio wrote: »

It's a legit way to play and they should be allowed to play how they want. However, my opinion is that it's closer to griefing than skilled gameplay, which is why ball groups don't earn my respect. Just my .02

I hear people talking like this all the time and I vehemently disagree. "Griefing" is all about giving someone else a hard time just to make them feel bad. Beating other players is just what pvp is.

If you teabag somebody, that's griefing.

If you hate whisper them, that's griefing.

Attacking a keep with a superior and well coordinated group is just warfare.

Attacking and taking the keep with a well coordinated group is not griefing and worthy of much respect.

Attacking the keep, not flipping it, allowing it to be repaired so they can run around using coms (1,2,3 PROC!) farming people for upwards of an hour? In my experience ball groups do much more of the latter than the former, which is "closer" to greifing IMO, which is why THOSE ball groups don't earn my respect.

Sounds like what you hate is not ball groups but "player farming" where you bait a fight to gain AP from killing players. That's pretty common whether your a ball group or not, lots of groups do it it's how you get big AP ticks.

kargen27 · February 2021

I run from them and hide.

I guess that is respect on some level.

coop500 · February 2021

No

Nope, nothing to respect about a swarm of annoying flashy ants bulldozing everything in their path with no real skill.

WuChiWuGen · February 2021

No

Groups of players that cause server lag and use skills that dysinc other players to get stacking 5-7 skills landing the exact same time. They are just abusing the system for ap. It is not even their fault.

It's the fault of this gaming Dev team allowing it.

Cyr plays fine until they log in and then a lot go to other games or ic or campaigns to avoid the 2-7 second lag of being able to use skills.

Respect ??? we are all just mashing buttons

. If you want respect Show the gifts of the Spirit in all things you do with your life, go join a Kung Fu or MA school and bow in

, improve the world we live in ETC.

Goregrinder · February 2021

Yes

Well yeah of course. Why wouldn't I respect all playstyles of PVP? Just because I don't like raisins doesn't mean other people shouldn't. That would be pretty self-centered of me to think everyone else in the world should like what I like right?

Dame_Scorpio · February 2021

No

worrallj wrote: »

Sounds like what you hate is not ball groups but "player farming" where you bait a fight to gain AP from killing players. That's pretty common whether your a ball group or not, lots of groups do it it's how you get big AP ticks.

Nope, I don’t hate them at all. I just don’t respect that playstyle in AvAvA, but I get that other people feel differently, which is perfectly fine. We’ll have to just agree to disagree.

AuraStorm43 · February 2021

Yes

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

If they didn't cause an insane amount of lag for the entire server, then I would be fine with them and their playstyle

But when you're playing in one of the extra campaigns with 2 3 2 bars population and there's no lag, then a ball group starts playing and the ping shoots up and skills don't fire...

Well let's just say I don't agree with 12 players benefiting from lag while the rest of the players experience is diminished

Mayrael wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I mean... I don't like them but they are PvPing in an efficient way, it is not their fault I have no PvP friends.

Exactly. It's not that I don't like them, I just don't like the way they impact server performance. But I respect them, long time ago I had few occasions to run with Shido and his SWAT, basically the people who introduced ball groups to this game - you have to have respect for they way it is all organised and performed. Now it's a bit of performance abusing but still, I do respect them.

I’m not sure where the assumption that ball groups are some boogeyman causing lag comes from when can you have upwards of 100 people in one place firing off abilities consistently its gonna impact lag

There’s always gonna be ball groups in some capacity, its no different than optimizing a raid for pve. Just cuz someone runs an optimized pvp group doesn’t mean they’re creating lag, thats nonsense

ke.sardenb14_ESO · February 2021

Yes

I mean, I wear the same sets in death match that I do chaos ball, and I win 90% of my matches either way. Nothing is more thrilling then a rag tag team of people with no mic synergizing in a chaos ball game. Especially when your team may not be the deadliest zerg on the field.

Grianasteri · February 2021

No

I am not sure I would use the term respect, re ball groups.

With that said, I do appreciate the approach as much as any other, it is legitimate and a valid tactic. How else are new and average, casual gamers supposed to take on broken meta builds that take barely any damage even from multiple attackers? Especially when several of those kinds of meta players team up!

One of the main reasons ball groups exist is due to the broken mechanics which allow a single player to withstand attacks from a dozen or more people, taking barely any damage.

For instance I have a PVP MagDK glass cannon, designed to be used in a group, to lay down sustained, single target damage over time. Against your average player, I can stand toe to toe, I can mix it, I can kill and be killed 1 vs 1 and have even taken on a couple of players successfully. For me thats a big achievement since I am just average at best. The point is I have a reasonable grasp of PVP and how to build effectively re resistances, crit resistances, penetration, max stats, weapon/spell damage, sets etc etc.

But put me up against one of those broken builds? Earlier in the week I had a player literally just stand there laughing at me, while I 1v1 him on the walls, I hit him with everything I had, my full burst potential, ulti etc, his health barely moved.

Thats broken, any new, inexperienced or just average player cannot compete with that. So we need ball groups. Or fix it.

PrimusNephilim · February 2021

Yes

I have no problems with ball groups, the more the merrier

Ryuvain · February 2021

No

They can play however but it's not fun or balanced at all. Seeing them stack earthgore for countless group purges, priority target single players then run, obviously voice chat in discord so no surprising them or picking them off, along with running laps around towers is so mind numbing.

They have an extreme advantage with how much healing they get due to cyro group changes regarding that.

Coppes · February 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

Snow_White wrote: »

I have no problem with organized groups, but I think that if they stopped giving AP for killing players and only rewarded completing competitive objectives that it would improve the overall gameplay.

Because Cyrodiil is a PvDoor zone, right?

Isn’t Cyrodiil supposed to be objective based?

munster1404 · February 2021

Yes

Cyrodiil is all about mass coordinated battles. Zergs, balls whatever you call them I don't care. Join one if you can't beat them. Wars are not some honorable one on one battles.

Dusk_Coven · February 2021

The video here shows you basically what a ball group is https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/inrvdq/i_get_the_resource_node_bot_farmingbut_crabs/

Effective, but you're just here to play numbers instead of play ESO. Might as well go play a tap clicker.

Drdeath20 · February 2021

Yes

Absolutely but the problem is they have very little competition.

Theres like 3 other groups on the map that might give you competition and they are generally off strategically causing mayhem elsewhere.

Its an absolute cruel joke. You get a dedicated squad, put the time and effort in to become top dog only to realize how trivial and unnecessary it is to be the best.

FantasticFreddie · February 2021

Yes

I respect it as a valid play style.
It takes skill to organize and lead.
Some of the players probably AREN'T skilled, but that's perfectly fine-- not everyone should need to be a God tier level player to have fun in Cyrodil. And if you aren't all that fast or good, what are you supposed to do besides group together for strength and safety?!

I guess I get tired of the "well they are *** players and can't face a decent player in a fair fight!"
In the immortal words of Captain Jack Sparrow: "Well that's not a very good incentive for me to fight fair now is it?"

FantasticFreddie · February 2021

Yes

Well it's been fun everyone, but I think we have taken a turn towards locking this down lol

SupremeRissole · February 2021

Yes

Whilst Im not a ball grouper I must respect the fact it is optimised and coordinated gameplay. The way Cyro is designed favours ball groups, these guys are just using that to their advantage.
Is it as skillful gameplay as solo/1vX? Not really. Is it skillful nonetheless? Yes.

orion_1981usub17_ESO · February 2021

No

If anyone remembers the real Hollywood stories by Charlie Murphy... ball groups are literally a bunch of Rick James running around stepping on people's couches until you finally get fed up and throw them out. That's it, the entire mentality of a ball group player is to just punch a plebe and scream "I'm Rick James, b!"

Now this might be amusing to watch once or twice but eventually you just want to break their legs with your brother's help. They don't deserve any real respect because they dont respect anything or anyone.

On the flip side, small scale super groups are like prince and his crew. They look and talk funny but they seriously F you up in a standing up fight. The difference is, they'll make you pancakes after so your not as sore about losing cause pancakes.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2021

No

Nerf Purge-bots

PizzaCat82 · February 2021

Yes

What are Ball groups, and why are we asking if we respect every type of PVP player out there.

No one's asking if people respect crafters, or traders, or trial players.. like.. who cares what people respect?

PVP is about winning. Fighting honorably and dying accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Vanya · February 2021

No

Hate me or not. Since you asked an honest opinion expect a fair answer in return:

No.

I respect no1 associated with PVP. Generally the bad experience followed by very high risk of toxic attitude and never ending chaos with drama chat,etc.

To summarize. PVP is very unhealthy and it may corrupt poor soul rapidly so is any competitive,rank-based challenge. When someone strives to dominate or seeks power it inevitably diminishes and basically destroys all what that player once held valuable and treasured. There is no more immersion,story,little wonders,lore but blood. You seek blood to annihilate someone and that solely gives thee joy and satisfaction as well obtaining powerful item or just speeding up around mindlessly. I can understand such a mindset because I was like that SHORTLY as teen in other MMO. I am 31 now. Tis lamenting for PVP should be latest thing you do and ESO is million times more than PVP.

PVP-PVE players can not co-exist with each other. Tis same as comparing Mundus to Void and Oblivion is the middle ground.

Oblivion is a chaos, a chaotic nature of PVPer's.

Opalblade · February 2021

Vanya wrote: »

Hate me or not. Since you asked an honest opinion expect a fair answer in return:

No.

I respect no1 associated with PVP. Generally the bad experience followed by very high risk of toxic attitude and never ending chaos with drama chat,etc.

To summarize. PVP is very unhealthy and it may corrupt poor soul rapidly so is any competitive,rank-based challenge. When someone strives to dominate or seeks power it inevitably diminishes and basically destroys all what that player once held valuable and treasured. There is no more immersion,story,little wonders,lore but blood. You seek blood to annihilate someone and that solely gives thee joy and satisfaction as well obtaining powerful item or just speeding up around mindlessly. I can understand such a mindset because I was like that SHORTLY as teen in other MMO. I am 31 now. Tis lamenting for PVP should be latest thing you do and ESO is million times more than PVP.

PVP-PVE players can not co-exist with each other. Tis same as comparing Mundus to Void and Oblivion is the middle ground.

Oblivion is a chaos, a chaotic nature of PVPer's.

You do realize there are people out there who enjoy both PvE and PvP, right?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · February 2021

No

Vanya wrote: »

Hate me or not. Since you asked an honest opinion expect a fair answer in return:

No.

I respect no1 associated with PVP. Generally the bad experience followed by very high risk of toxic attitude and never ending chaos with drama chat,etc.

To summarize. PVP is very unhealthy and it may corrupt poor soul rapidly so is any competitive,rank-based challenge. When someone strives to dominate or seeks power it inevitably diminishes and basically destroys all what that player once held valuable and treasured. There is no more immersion,story,little wonders,lore but blood. You seek blood to annihilate someone and that solely gives thee joy and satisfaction as well obtaining powerful item or just speeding up around mindlessly. I can understand such a mindset because I was like that SHORTLY as teen in other MMO. I am 31 now. Tis lamenting for PVP should be latest thing you do and ESO is million times more than PVP.

PVP-PVE players can not co-exist with each other. Tis same as comparing Mundus to Void and Oblivion is the middle ground.

Oblivion is a chaos, a chaotic nature of PVPer's.

I think your view is clouded with your bad experiences, what you need to do is find a guild that goes in for fun does not care about peoples level of experience etc in pvp and just has fun talking while playing and having fun, a guild like mother of storms, they welcome everyone as long as they are ep, they dont allowed toxic, drama or any discrimination why not try a guild like mother of storms thers is plenty out there

drkfrontiers · February 2021

No

Its a trap carefully designed to melt my CPU and graphics card.