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Do you respect ball groups?
fredthefrown
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Do you respect ball group players as legit PvPers?
Do you respect ball groups? 311 votes
No
55%
174 votes
Yes
44%
137 votes
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI mean... I don't like them
but they are PvPing in an efficient way, it is not their fault I have no PvP friends. 27 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes a lot of effort goes into group composition and synergies.
A good leader is a must.
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Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI don't like them but it's a perfectly legitimate way to play.Edited by Edaphon on February 7, 2021 3:19AM13 -
Dame_Scorpio✭✭✭NoIt's a legit way to play and they should be allowed to play how they want. However, my opinion is that it's closer to griefing than skilled gameplay, which is why ball groups don't earn my respect. Just my .0239 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭legitimate gameplay, and way of playing eso pvp.
i dont like the ball group method.
but they should be allowed to play the way they want to.
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesNothing wrong with people working together, every other group activity in the game requires some level of coordination, trials, dungeon and arena's, why should that be penalized in PVP.
People need to get it through their heads that PVP is a group activity, you want your one on one matches find someone to duel, the open world PVP zones(Cyrodiil and Imperial city) even the battlegrounds are designed with working together with either your alliance or team in mind, nothing stopping you going it alone just don't expect to defeat a large number of players by yourself in one go.
No amount of nerfing or balancing is going to eliminate the basic advantages of working together in a coordinated group.17 -
faeeichenlaub✭✭✭✭YesI can respect that it takes good coordination. Anything that hard to kill is a force to be respected and overcome by using teamwork.Edited by faeeichenlaub on February 7, 2021 3:33AM"Azura give me strength, Let my voice change the world as long as I am in it."4 -
ShawnLaRock✭✭✭✭✭
✭It’s weird & crappy that Ball groups are looked down upon - as a general overarching principle.
If the engine / server worked as intended - Ball Groups would / should be looked upon as the best / high-level coordinated group play. That way - the best Cyro content would be about “which players could synergize the best to dominate the map” - and can your faction get it together enough to do the same. Then you’d get the sickest fights, right? And - isn’t that the intention?
As it is now - it’s the MATH of Ball Groups that has been pinpointed as the problem with server calculations / de-sync etc. - and that sucks.
If you run in a carefully-crafted build / coordinated group - YOU are seen as the lag problem, when it’s just that this archaic infrastructure can’t figure out how to spread heals or buffs to a 12-person, let alone a 20 person group.
The server is SUPPOSED to be able to handle 300 v 300 v 300 keep fights; server v server zergs; epic max-siege battles, etc. - right?
Is it worse to zerg with no clear intention or knowledge of what you are doing - and causing the server to lag b/c so many players are running together?
Or worse to actually have practiced / built a team / coordinated - and THAT may be the cause of lag?
They are both the same, in the end - from an ACTUAL “what the engine can really do” standpoint. It can’t.
IMSO
In. My. Scientific. Opinion.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI think that they are just a natural part of the game. I moreso dislike guilds coming in and all attacking the same target. But coordinated groups are perfectly reasonable part of the game.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 7, 2021 4:18AM1 -
Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yesfredthefrown wrote: »Do you respect ball group players as legit PvPers?
Whats with all the polls? Are you under the impression you will shame people who kill you out of PVP?7 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo, its the lowest form of life that often use every cheese possible in this gameEdited by Anyron on February 7, 2021 4:36AM29 -
markulrich1966✭✭✭✭✭
✭sure.
They are highly organized, and don't reduce cyro to simply 1v1, but focus on strategy.
I have high respect especially comparing them with the unorganized players in my own faction, where everybody often just does what he wants. "Let's go ROE", 5 minutes later all 5 are dead, just like those 5 who went to Alessia instead...
Edited by markulrich1966 on February 7, 2021 4:45AM3 -
Minnesinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI applaud when a ball group decimates a zerg. The zergs who pvdoor are the worst type of group.A is for Atronach.
B is for Bungler's Bane.
C is for Comberry.4 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nonope
watching a group ult dump 1 person, then kite to build ult and repeat is just dumb.ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.29 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI actually respect the fact they grouped up to accomplish something and I enjoy taking shots at ball groups to test their integrity. When I hear reports of ball groups coming in I actually charge head first into the fray since it means I'm not getting a boring fight.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Its the natural evolution of the game. Players will always seek the most efficient means of achieving a goal. They will continue to use said strategy until circumstances change and make it untenable/less efficient.
Only issue I see (leaving out the performance issues) is the only counter to a ball group is another ball group. Possibly with overwhelming force, but then those performance issues really throw a money wrench into the works and unbalances the entire equation.
IRL an opposing force can think of ways/means to defeat an enemy. Here players are artificially constrained so options are more limited.
TL:DR more counters to ballgroups besides "bring your won ballgroup" are needed.2 -
GrimTheReaper45✭✭✭✭✭YesI mean like anything it depends on how you go about it. A few year ago when we had zergs fighting back and forth trading ulti dumps was really fun. The current walking ball of aoe damage that we have currently im not a fan of.0
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesThechuckage wrote: »
TL:DR more counters to ballgroups besides "bring your won ballgroup" are needed.
Frozen gate?2 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoStrength is numbers only tells me they have no Strength when by themselves.11 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoRespect? Who? Have they done something to earn my respect? If you're asking if it's a viable playstyle, then yes, it most certainly is.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.9 -
Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭Yesfredthefrown wrote: »Do you respect ball group players as legit PvPers?
Since they are the only ones doing real RvR (Realm vs. Realm) of course I respect them. I dont respect 4man-Groups. They just dont get it.Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....2 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoFarming randoms, slotting the cheesiest skills and gear, spamming regen and having a dedicated purge bot, refusing to fight other ball groups, talking down to others like theirs is the most elite, fantastic gameplay possible...
What exactly is there to respect?25 -
GOAT4EVAR✭✭✭YesIf people dont respect ball groups thats fine by me. What i find strange is that they dont think it takes cordination or that cordination isnt a skill, which to me shows that they probably have no clue what it takes to succeed as a group/team and are probably just salty
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Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Minnesinger wrote: »I applaud when a ball group decimates a zerg. The zergs who pvdoor are the worst type of group.
What's the difference between a ball group and a zerg..?1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesMinnesinger wrote: »I applaud when a ball group decimates a zerg. The zergs who pvdoor are the worst type of group.
Exactly! A ball group is nothing wrong with it. Pretty ridiculous to me that groups that coordinate are somehow bad. I'm never in one but it seems reasonable that in a mode where you're supposed to be in groups and not dueling that some of those groups will be coordinated.
It's the giant zergs that win because there's like 50 people that are lame. I mean I like following em around for ap because I mostly pve, but it's not really skillful.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 7, 2021 8:31AM2