Zenimax, this is an unneccesary change
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
You calling it a flex is a flex itself. How on earth is it even remotely a flex? "because i don't know how to do it, therefore it's a flex, everyone who uses costume dyes i don't own is flexing!"
I have been here since the beta. There are people everywhere flexing away all around the popular places. To call my complaint a flex is dumb.
I have costumes and pets from way back, stuff very few people have. I cab stand on a horse and do all the stupid things you call rp. Its not. RP is Role Playing. Becoming the character and what the hordes of people do is flexing. "Look at my cool thing and boy I can spin my staff, aren't I great?" Is in no way RP.
You must be really fun at parties. Let the people use these animation glitches, it's not like they harm anyone.
They hurt my eyes. Its not a healthy thing to do anyway. Showing off is not a thing to be encouraged.
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✭bluelights400 wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561105/pts-patch-notes-v6-3-2<@!622501764188471316>
Subject here from link above
"Emotes can no longer be started while blocking.
Blocking during an emote will now interrupt it."
When people block during emotes it is fun as we can use it to our advantage with friends, making out staff spin and do random things. We don't need this changed. I will defend 99% of changes in thw game- but I highly disagree with this one gor the sole purpose of it being a great part of RPing (I hold my staff up with the duchess personality /tilt) or holding my weapons in stances that match my characters personality for role playing. Or just being rediculous.
Please, I beg you guys- don't change this.
I hope the picture shows. Its of patch note
Is suspect they did this because a few weeks ago (or so) someone had posted up a vid of them twirling their staff, by combining an emote, with a weapon block.
ZOS didn't make any money on it, so NERF an emote.. LOL.6 -
Auztinito✭✭✭This community is probably the only community I've seen embrace bugs and glitches as core parts of the game and demand they should never be fixed. You lot have a bad habit of justifying any glitch under the sun.
"Light Weaving creates a skill gap/ceiling"
"Pre-Buffing is strategic"
"Emote-Blocking is for just for role-playing, I promise"
Honestly, ZOS needs to squash bugs not try to turn them into features. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
BUGS ARE NOT FEATURESEdited by Auztinito on February 9, 2021 5:07PM4 -
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✭Versispellis wrote: »No! I love to use firespin + staff. It looks so cool, especially if you have a monster staff equipped and mix the flames with different particle effects. This is my preferred idle stance while trial leaders are laboriously explaining mechanics to newcomers. Firespin, go to refill my coffee, come back to find people spinning with me. It injects a small amount of joy into tedious moments.
LOOK PERSON!!! ZOS isn't interested in you having fun... THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT!!!! GET THAT STRIAIGHT!!!
so, how much do you have in yer wallet?
Seriously, it was harmless and fun, and I'd like them to explain why they needed to nerf it. I guess they'll be selling a staff spin in the crates soon huh? Edited by QuebraRegra on February 9, 2021 5:08PM2 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
You calling it a flex is a flex itself. How on earth is it even remotely a flex? "because i don't know how to do it, therefore it's a flex, everyone who uses costume dyes i don't own is flexing!"
I have been here since the beta. There are people everywhere flexing away all around the popular places. To call my complaint a flex is dumb.
I have costumes and pets from way back, stuff very few people have. I cab stand on a horse and do all the stupid things you call rp. Its not. RP is Role Playing. Becoming the character and what the hordes of people do is flexing. "Look at my cool thing and boy I can spin my staff, aren't I great?" Is in no way RP.
You must be really fun at parties. Let the people use these animation glitches, it's not like they harm anyone.
They hurt my eyes. Its not a healthy thing to do anyway. Showing off is not a thing to be encouraged.
One of my toons wears Knight of the Circle Cuirass dyed in Divine Gold. Am I showing off?5 -
Lady_Sleepless✭✭✭✭✭I use this bug to take screenshots all the time. I hope this doesn't go to live.9 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
You calling it a flex is a flex itself. How on earth is it even remotely a flex? "because i don't know how to do it, therefore it's a flex, everyone who uses costume dyes i don't own is flexing!"
I have been here since the beta. There are people everywhere flexing away all around the popular places. To call my complaint a flex is dumb.
I have costumes and pets from way back, stuff very few people have. I cab stand on a horse and do all the stupid things you call rp. Its not. RP is Role Playing. Becoming the character and what the hordes of people do is flexing. "Look at my cool thing and boy I can spin my staff, aren't I great?" Is in no way RP.
You must be really fun at parties. Let the people use these animation glitches, it's not like they harm anyone.
They hurt my eyes. Its not a healthy thing to do anyway. Showing off is not a thing to be encouraged.
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✭This community is probably the only community I've seen embrace bugs and glitches as core parts of the game and demand they should never be fixed. You lot have a bad habit of justifying any glitch under the sun.
"Light Weaving creates a skill gap/ceiling"
"Pre-Buffing is strategic"
"Emote-Blocking is for just for role-playing, I promise"
Honestly, ZOS needs to squash bugs not try to turn them into features. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
BUGS ARE NOT FEATURES
You and I agree that bugs are not features... that said pre-buffing is strategic (and intentional design.. but then they realized some balance issues might exist), and I'd like to understand the issue you seem to have with the Emote blocking. Since you take that stance there, defend it! Tell me how this can be exploited to combat advantage... I'm waiting....
That said, I still think 'weaving" is a bug, regardless of ZOS change in stance from years ago (when they couldn't fix it).
I think you are intelligent, and could identify real problems for the ZOS team to address. let's put emote block right after a patch to address 'weaving" shall we?
#prioritiesEdited by QuebraRegra on February 9, 2021 5:18PM1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »This community is probably the only community I've seen embrace bugs and glitches as core parts of the game and demand they should never be fixed. You lot have a bad habit of justifying any glitch under the sun.
"Light Weaving creates a skill gap/ceiling"
"Pre-Buffing is strategic"
"Emote-Blocking is for just for role-playing, I promise"
Honestly, ZOS needs to squash bugs not try to turn them into features. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
BUGS ARE NOT FEATURES
You and I agree that bugs are not features... that said pre-buffing is strategic (and intentional design.. but then they realized some balance issues might exist), and I'd like to understand the issue you seem to have with the Emote blocking. Since you take that stance there, defend it! Tell me how this can be exploited to combat advantage... I'm waiting....
That said, I still think 'weaving" is a bug, regardless of ZOS change in stance from years ago (when they couldn't fix it).
I think you are intelligent, and could identify real problems for the ZOS team to address. let's put emote block right after a patch to address 'weaving" shall we?
#priorities
I have to agree, weaving was originally a bug and ZoS even said they would fix it, now they embrace it and consider it part of the game. If weaving did not need to be fixed then surely this emote-block nerf is completely unwarranted and even a waste of dev resources.3 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
You calling it a flex is a flex itself. How on earth is it even remotely a flex? "because i don't know how to do it, therefore it's a flex, everyone who uses costume dyes i don't own is flexing!"
I have been here since the beta. There are people everywhere flexing away all around the popular places. To call my complaint a flex is dumb.
I have costumes and pets from way back, stuff very few people have. I cab stand on a horse and do all the stupid things you call rp. Its not. RP is Role Playing. Becoming the character and what the hordes of people do is flexing. "Look at my cool thing and boy I can spin my staff, aren't I great?" Is in no way RP.
You must be really fun at parties. Let the people use these animation glitches, it's not like they harm anyone.
They hurt my eyes. Its not a healthy thing to do anyway. Showing off is not a thing to be encouraged.
One of my toons wears Knight of the Circle Cuirass dyed in Divine Gold. Am I showing off?
Its a costume/armour you wear. Why would I care?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
Are you really trying to dictate how other people RP?Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche10 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
You calling it a flex is a flex itself. How on earth is it even remotely a flex? "because i don't know how to do it, therefore it's a flex, everyone who uses costume dyes i don't own is flexing!"
I have been here since the beta. There are people everywhere flexing away all around the popular places. To call my complaint a flex is dumb.
I have costumes and pets from way back, stuff very few people have. I cab stand on a horse and do all the stupid things you call rp. Its not. RP is Role Playing. Becoming the character and what the hordes of people do is flexing. "Look at my cool thing and boy I can spin my staff, aren't I great?" Is in no way RP.
You must be really fun at parties. Let the people use these animation glitches, it's not like they harm anyone.
They hurt my eyes. Its not a healthy thing to do anyway. Showing off is not a thing to be encouraged.
One of my toons wears Knight of the Circle Cuirass dyed in Divine Gold. Am I showing off?
Its a costume/armour you wear. Why would I care?
Exactly. So why do you care about emotes other people use and how they do it?6 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
Are you really trying to dictate how other people RP?
RP means something. It is from RPG, which means Role Playing Game. As I have been playing RPGs longer than many of you have been alive, I know what that means.
It does not mean standing around where you can maybe impress someone, and spamming some animation or other.1 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
Are you really trying to dictate how other people RP?
RP means something. It is from RPG, which means Role Playing Game. As I have been playing RPGs longer than many of you have been alive, I know what that means.
It does not mean standing around where you can maybe impress someone, and spamming some animation or other.
People using block to get their weapons to apear during an emote isn't showing off. They use it to rp and take screenshots. Really would like an explanation as to how this is showing off, and wearing rare armor styles with hard to obtain dyes isn't.
Either way this is a completely unnecessary change to emotes. It wasn't hurting anyone or being used as an exploit, people were just having fun.11 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭"They use it to rp and take screenshots." Explain to me what you mean by 'rp' in that sentence.1
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I think I'm just gonna start dropping my Attronach far more often, in the middle of these rp parties. I generate ULT quickly. 1
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »I think I'm just gonna start dropping my Attronach far more often, in the middle of these rp parties. I generate ULT quickly.
So you're willing to cause grief to other players just because you don't like that they use emotes?16 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »"They use it to rp and take screenshots." Explain to me what you mean by 'rp' in that sentence.
So people will do their rp in text or voice chat or even just by themselves walking around town, and they'll have emotes and whatnot to go with it. Let's say for example they use some of the ones from the swashbuckler personality. You can block to use your character's weapon in the emote instead of the sword the personality gives you. Really not that hard to understand. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it at this point.12 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »"They use it to rp and take screenshots." Explain to me what you mean by 'rp' in that sentence.
So people will do their rp in text or voice chat or even just by themselves walking around town, and they'll have emotes and whatnot to go with it. Let's say for example they use some of the ones from the swashbuckler personality. You can block to use your character's weapon in the emote instead of the sword the personality gives you. Really not that hard to understand. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it at this point.
Not at all. You have not explained what 'rp' means. I understand the animations and how they work. Hell I could animation cancel really well in 2014. Its a skill I use to this day.
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »I think I'm just gonna start dropping my Attronach far more often, in the middle of these rp parties. I generate ULT quickly.
So you're willing to cause grief to other players just because you don't like that they use emotes?
Its my emote. It well describes how I feel about the rp parties. Yes we are using 'rp' for whatever it is you do. I still do not have a good explanation as to what that is. 1 -
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »ApostateHobo wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »"They use it to rp and take screenshots." Explain to me what you mean by 'rp' in that sentence.
So people will do their rp in text or voice chat or even just by themselves walking around town, and they'll have emotes and whatnot to go with it. Let's say for example they use some of the ones from the swashbuckler personality. You can block to use your character's weapon in the emote instead of the sword the personality gives you. Really not that hard to understand. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it at this point.
Not at all. You have not explained what 'rp' means. I understand the animations and how they work. Hell I could animation cancel really well in 2014. Its a skill I use to this day.
You're really just proving my point being argumentative for the sake of it, but I'll explain anyways. Rp means role play. They will play the role of their character in stories, often with other player's. Acting out scenes in text, and with their characters in the world doing whatever actions their character is doing in the story. By themselves they will go around and do the same thing just on their own. If you still don't understand then idk what to tell you.11 -
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✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
Are you really trying to dictate how other people RP?
RP means something. It is from RPG, which means Role Playing Game. As I have been playing RPGs longer than many of you have been alive, I know what that means.
It does not mean standing around where you can maybe impress someone, and spamming some animation or other.
You are making us role-players AND us grumpy old farts look bad. It's okay to yell at the younguns to get off your lawn if they are actually on your lawn. If they are in a public park, let them be. Someone's first introduction to role-play might actually be just doing something that looks cool to them but could later make them think about character traits and flesh out a personality. Do not try to force other people to role-play the way you do or you will drive them out of it completely. We didn't build a role-playing community by making it sound snooty and unapproachable.13 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
Are you really trying to dictate how other people RP?
RP means something. It is from RPG, which means Role Playing Game. As I have been playing RPGs longer than many of you have been alive, I know what that means.
It does not mean standing around where you can maybe impress someone, and spamming some animation or other.
You are making us role-players AND us grumpy old farts look bad. It's okay to yell at the younguns to get off your lawn if they are actually on your lawn. If they are in a public park, let them be. Someone's first introduction to role-play might actually be just doing something that looks cool to them but could later make them think about character traits and flesh out a personality. Do not try to force other people to role-play the way you do or you will drive them out of it completely. We didn't build a role-playing community by making it sound snooty and unapproachable.
Yeah, this thread is about Zenimax removing some of the more egregious spammable effects. I applaud that, as there is enough madness already.
The flexing around Wayshires and some places near them, is not in any way RP, as we know the word, in any gaming community. It has become rp which is funny as its lower case, but hardly related to actual Role Playing.
About 5 years ago my Brianne Of Iliac was walking across the bridge at Raw'Kha and some guard lipped off to her. Before I could do anything 'she' had taken a swing at the guard, something 'I' never do. As I carry fairly trick potions, the result of an entire crew of leveled crafters, I took over, dropped break free etc etc, and ran. Saved her silly ass. I had to do that because my RP is real strong.
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✭✭✭✭✭It would be totally fine to remove emotes from the game all together. They are not relevant to game play.
Yes, next please remove the character editor and all optics for armor. Playing the whole game as a grey placeholder outline of a person is completely sufficient, everything else is not relevant to game play.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake8 -
Ekzorka✭✭✭✭✭And still no fixing for indriks. And senche-raht's landing. And horrible eye movements in some animations. And animals/people out of the cages.1 -
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✭Many moons ago, I seem to recall there was mention of an exploit where you could stack attacks while doing an emote, and when the emote animation ended, all those attacks would fire at once - delivering instant death to the targeted player in PvP.
I wonder if this is related somehow. I could be wrong though...PS4NA2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
@poodlemasterb16_ESO How the hell is it not RPing? There were a bunch of people who used the emotes when roleplaying a werewolf character and wished for more useable ones. The ones that was available was a bit limited but it was nice having a little. (The emotes useable in werewolf form was /crouch, /cower, /playdead or knockeddown, /smash, /take, /begone).
I've no idea why you think this is only used for "flexing". Whatever that is.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on February 10, 2021 1:49AM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!7 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Well they removed emotes for werewolves before aswell. Just keep on giving roleplayers the finger.
That is not RP. Its flexing. RP is becoming the character. Its very hard in this game.
@poodlemasterb16_ESO How the hell is not RPing? There were a bunch of people who used the emotes when roleplaying a werewolf character and wished for more useable ones. The ones that was available was a bit limited but it was nice having a little. (The emotes useable in werewolf form was /crouch, /cower, /playdead or knockeddown, /smash, /take, /begone).
I've no idea why you think this is only used for "flexing". Whatever that is.
Emotes are emotes. As I said above I am going to start using my Ultimate to express my feelings.
What they are nerfing is using emotes along with other things to reduce flexing really, although there is perhaps some other exploit, they are really targeting. Liking the idea, I offered my support.
Using those few emotes while in a pack, does not impact anything much, but its hardly RP.
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