Yes, indirectly.

Live you can get +11-13% martial or magical damage. +18-22% dot damage and/or +18-22% direct damage. Not to mention you can get +4k penetration pretty easily.

Thats +29%-35% damage for a proc and penetration that all buffs procs without needing to invest into your character sheet.

On PTS, some of the total power from CP has lowered and shifted to our base character sheet. For proc sets, you can really only get the following now: +10% single target damage, +10% aoe damage, +10% dot damage. All 3 of these are slottables taking up 3/4 spaces and are strictly damage related, the side effect is that you don't get to choose bonuses that could help your healing done or more versatile bonuses like +1300 stamina or +10% crit damage/healing which help buff your skills AND heals. There is also penetration, but it's only 1300 or so from what I recall, this does not need to be slotted.

So the multipliers have a cost to them in that they require slotting and only reach a max of 20% instead of the average before with 29-35%.

Now it's not only that, our base characters received a bunch of buffs to flat stats. You get an extra 4k stam and magicka, 1k weapon/spell damage and many of the CP stars give similar bonuses not requiring to be slotted. Eg. +150 weapon damage, +100 weapon damage for Martial attacks, + 1300 stamina, +1300 stamina for slotting, etc.

So while they were only impacted by a small amount of about 10-15%, our base skills should be getting stronger in comparison. I see it as a slight shift in power where we may do close to the same total damage assuming you're using skills too, but the reliance on procs doing all the work should shift down.

Next. Fix Malacath.

Ah, but aren't procs even more popular and effective in nocp? They become proportionally more effective as your targets lose their defensive CP and character sheet stats.

But, even in nocp you will now get flat stats, 1K wep/sp damage and a flat 15% damage reduction. That may tip the scales back to active skills being more powerful.

Aha! But....a classic nocp heavy armor/proc build will keep their health and procs and add a big boost to their active damage and healing skills from the new free stats.

Won't be long before we know how this will play out.

@ExistingRug61

I think at least some people will become more interested in buffing regular skills again in no cp and definitely a bit more in cp environments. In my opinion, there was a chain of events that brought the game to the current meta people dislike (heavy + proc + malacath).

• No standard for dot damage-> (many abilities were useless, so creating standards made a lot more skills useful again)
• Standard of 2.5x that of a spammable over 10s -> (Overkill, this was the dying from 3-4 stacking dots at 28m range meta in pvp and managing 10 dots in pve)
• Standard of 1.5x that of a spammable over 10s -> (Underkill, burst became the only option and now in pve, our skill bars are 20-40% passive buff skills and 60% your spammable/execute).
• Scaling for healing reduced as per battle spirit nerf from -50% to -60%
• Removing proc chances for a number of proc sets.
• Buffing proc set standard damage to like 20k damage over 10s, no investment required.
• Introducing Malacath Band of Brutality, buffing proc set damage while simutaniously allowing the user to avoid any and all crit resist modifiers.
• Heavy + Proc Meta

Now, some things are shifting the other direction:

• Battle Spirit healing reduction is now 55% instead of 60%.
• Major/Minor Berserk reduced in power.
• Sustain is a lot easier to deal with via the +60% from minor/major buffs.
• This patch, all the bonuses to base stats listed above and reductions to % based damage multipliers.

To me, it seems like it's at least more proffitable than it has been in the past to have a stat based build that is more well rounded, offering more reward for that playstyle should help shift things a little, but who knows - ultimately, I think fixing the power of Malacath would be the final thing to fix here.

And to add with all the really interesting facts above, now that we will have more stats we it may be viable to slot purge so kind of a counter for procs

Proc sets are a thing mostly in non-CP environment, but even there they will be less powerful. Base HP got increased by 2256 (from 8744 to 16000 but Battle Spirit 5000 is being removed next incremental patch) and all characters now have 15% base damage reduction regardless of CP (previously, this was CP-only thing).

So proc set damage in non-CP is reduced by 15% and hp of all players is increased by 2,2k.

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Proc sets are a thing mostly in non-CP environment, but even there they will be less powerful. Base HP got increased by 2256 (from 8744 to 16000 but Battle Spirit 5000 is being removed next incremental patch) and all characters now have 15% base damage reduction regardless of CP (previously, this was CP-only thing).

So proc set damage in non-CP is reduced by 15% and hp of all players is increased by 2,2k.

That's 15%reduction on everything not just procs.
In no cp procs will still be prevalent as long as they allow you to be super tanky and still dish out good dmg.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

In directly they became less strong. Stats were boosted significantly at base and procs were left behind. Meaning stats are at least equal to procs. In all likelihood you'll probably need reasonable stats and proc sets to succeed. Which would be a vast improvement on building a tank in proc sets.

Honestly i dont agree, point me in the direction of a stat boost that allows my lets say stamplar , to pull the same dmg burst that a well time vate2h/crimson combo can. POTL definetly isnt it.
If anything, i think we might see a shift towards "hybrid" stat/proc builds, but i dont think procs are going anywhere as long as theyre that strong.

This is a PTS discussion. I have actually tested stamplar on PTS and it's incredibly strong.

I did 7 medium clever BB and briar FB. I had 7.6k WD and amazing healing due to this. Vate 2h is still good and so is crimson, but the user will need to stack damage as well to be able kill my build or another stat build. Otherwise the damage is nowhere near as good. Any of the proc users doing great damage were wearing light tbh.

Procs haven't gone, but the build around it most likely has. As in you won't be killing anyone with all your attributes in health. You will need enough stats in your skills.

Stats are at the very least going to be equivalent to a proc build next patch, but as you said they will need both stats and procs to equate to the same output.

Sorry I didn't mean as in stats, stamplar has no built in burst skill, POTL is bugged and does very little dmg most of the time, jabs is highly avoidable.
At best you can catch someone in a db+jabs combo, but aganist something like a tanky stamden even with 7k wpd it won't be enough.
I'd caution anyone to base their meta predictions on dueling, ppl tend to be far more tanky for open world and bgs.
Like I said before, I can see hybrid Stat/proc builds becoming the meta, but on certain classes I simply can't see pure Stat builds being viable.
Another example would be ranged magplar, where landing dark flare might be easier now, but you will likely still run calurion, as your burst simply wouldn't be enough aganist tankier targets otherwise.