What's point of T-bagging players?

Elwendryll · February 2021

robertthebard wrote: »

I used to do a salute emote to players I downed in Aion. It's one of those that looks all nice and respectful, but can also be a total burn, depending on how the fight went.

Exactly. It's "polite", but still a burn if they got destroyed. I like the nuance.

gatekeeper13 · February 2021

Some months ago, I saw an ally and an enemy player fighting in Cyro. Ally was going to die so I decided to help him, but later realized they were dueling because my ally stopped fighting. Enemy player was a streamer and I had fought him some times before. He is a slightly better player than me and has some more wins against me than I have against him (truth is he has tanky builds and I use only a bow nightblade) but we have nothing personal, we just meet and fight like everyone else. Thing is I was wearing sets for aoe dmg to help complete the 40 player quest fast (just finished defending a keep, was wearing Seli+Venomous+Pillar and aoe skill setup, not good at all for 1v1) and that guy killed me. And for absolutely no reason he started T-bagging me. I replied with a hate whisper, but soon I realized it was a mistake because people like him, with no life outside video games, feed from that.

T-bag is sth very annoying, disrespecting and insulting. Personally never do it.

Elwendryll · February 2021

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

And for absolutely no reason he started T-bagging me. I replied with a hate whisper, but soon I realized it was a mistake because people like him, with no life outside video games, feed from that.

T-bag is sth very annoying, disrespecting and insulting. Personally never do it.

I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, but you do realize that maybe, it was exactly that, he did it for no reason at all? It's part of a culture. For some people it's simple etiquette to t-bag when they get a kill.

T-bagging is annoying, disrespectful and offensive if you decide it is. A hate whisper is plainly disrespectful and insulting.

You can just laugh it off, because it comes from nowhere and makes no sense, the absurdity of the situation can be fun in itself.

I hardly see how you can assume that someone who t-bagged you automatically has no life and needs to humiliate you to feel validated.

I absolutely understand that some people are genuinely uncomfortable with that, and they don't need to explain themselves for that. If you t-bag someone after they asked you to stop, it's harassment. However, I find it ironic to say it's disrespectful and insulting, when you admit having sent a hate whisper in reply, and you also judge them pretty harshly in the same comment.

Sarannah · February 2021

What is T-bagging?

Elwendryll · February 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

What is T-bagging?

We call that "Tactical Crouching" in the field.

Kwoung · February 2021

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

In my experience its to show that while they did absolutely nothing as part of their 3+ group to kill you, they still wanted to act like they matter in PVP and this was the only thing that came to mind.

Going to agree with you for once. My fav is getting 5v1ed and the clown that was pew pewing his bow from afar and doing almost zero damage, is the one who comes over and does it. Seriously dude, you didn't even help your friends kill me and you tbag me... get real.

Ryuvain · February 2021

Elwendryll wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

And for absolutely no reason he started T-bagging me. I replied with a hate whisper, but soon I realized it was a mistake because people like him, with no life outside video games, feed from that.

T-bag is sth very annoying, disrespecting and insulting. Personally never do it.

I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, but you do realize that maybe, it was exactly that, he did it for no reason at all? It's part of a culture. For some people it's simple etiquette to t-bag when they get a kill.

T-bagging is annoying, disrespectful and offensive if you decide it is. A hate whisper is plainly disrespectful and insulting.

You can just laugh it off, because it comes from nowhere and makes no sense, the absurdity of the situation can be fun in itself.

I hardly see how you can assume that someone who t-bagged you automatically has no life and needs to humiliate you to feel validated.

I absolutely understand that some people are genuinely uncomfortable with that, and they don't need to explain themselves for that. If you t-bag someone after they asked you to stop, it's harassment. However, I find it a ironic to say it's disrespectful and insulting, when you admit having sent a hate whisper in reply, and you also judge them pretty harshly in the same comment.

You know what t-bagging is exactly right? Like what the action literally is doing? Of course its meant to be disrespectful.

WoppaBoem · February 2021

Its part of the game, it points out the fact your dead and they aren't. It sucks, it can be funny, it can be a compliment, it can be humiliating. Whatever it is, its part of the PVP experience and its try to bag and get bagged, its good

Elwendryll · February 2021

Ryuvain wrote: »

You know what t-bagging is exactly right? Like what the action literally is doing? Of course its meant to be disrespectful.

I absolutely do. I still think there is nothing to be offended about unless you are personally a victim of abuse. T-bagging is a meme at this point, it's been part of the pvp culture for an eternity and it's weird to me that people act as if they just discovered it.

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Its part of the game, it points out the fact your dead and they aren't. It sucks, it can be funny, it can be a compliment, it can be humiliating. Whatever it is, its part of the PVP experience and its try to bag and get bagged, its good

Someone gets it.

Minyassa · February 2021

It's a gesture of degradation meant to be insulting. They do it because they weren't raised right and turned out to be disgusting people.

Larcomar · February 2021

I think it's a kid thing. Only seen it happen after the time schools come out and those little teenage ninja werewolf groups start running around. I'm guessing that someone did it on youtube at some point and it became "cool" but god knows.

I honestly don't think it's that common. You maybe just had bad luck. Though tbf I've probably been T bagged loads of times and not even realised. If I die, I look at the death recap, open up the map and then I'm working out where to go next or waiting to see something happening. There's prob some poor kid bobbing up and down desperately hoping he'll get a reaction.....

WaywardArgonian · February 2021

I think the handful of times it's happened to me, it's always been someone from a zerg who did not contribute to my death. It's just a troll thing as I think people who feel the need to do that after they defeat you with 10v1 must be aware that they couldn't take you 1 on 1 (which they often find out when I come back to gank them).

Michae · February 2021

Personally I don't T-bag but I don't really understand why people get so offended by it. It's just a simple thing, in online games with limited set of moves (ducking and jumping, mind that in most games, especially the older ones emotes aren't a thing) it's just a way to express gloating. It's immature, sure, but hardly anything worth getting offended by.

Stahlor · February 2021

It's a gesture of honor - they bow to you.

Ryuvain · February 2021

Elwendryll wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

You know what t-bagging is exactly right? Like what the action literally is doing? Of course its meant to be disrespectful.

I absolutely do. I still think there is nothing to be offended about unless you are personally a victim of abuse. T-bagging is a meme at this point, it's been part of the pvp culture for an eternity and it's weird to me that people act as if they just discovered it.

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Its part of the game, it points out the fact your dead and they aren't. It sucks, it can be funny, it can be a compliment, it can be humiliating. Whatever it is, its part of the PVP experience and its try to bag and get bagged, its good

Someone gets it.

Well at least you know. Being a meme doesn't naturally make something ok though. T-bagging is just simply annoying imo and I don't really care. Just that it shouldn't really be seen as good or friendly unless you know each other and are teasing.

Jeffrey530 · February 2021

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

I think the handful of times it's happened to me, it's always been someone from a zerg who did not contribute to my death. It's just a troll thing as I think people who feel the need to do that after they defeat you with 10v1 must be aware that they couldn't take you 1 on 1 (which they often find out when I come back to gank them).

Is useful in BG, you taunt enemy players to focus on your unkillable tank build or waste time whispering you while your team mates go get the objective done.

MasterSpatula · February 2021

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Some months ago, I saw an ally and an enemy player fighting in Cyro. Ally was going to die so I decided to help him, but later realized they were dueling because my ally stopped fighting. Enemy player was a streamer and I had fought him some times before. He is a slightly better player than me and has some more wins against me than I have against him (truth is he has tanky builds and I use only a bow nightblade) but we have nothing personal, we just meet and fight like everyone else. Thing is I was wearing sets for aoe dmg to help complete the 40 player quest fast (just finished defending a keep, was wearing Seli+Venomous+Pillar and aoe skill setup, not good at all for 1v1) and that guy killed me. And for absolutely no reason he started T-bagging me. I replied with a hate whisper, but soon I realized it was a mistake because people like him, with no life outside video games, feed from that.

T-bag is sth very annoying, disrespecting and insulting. Personally never do it.

I had a similar situation recently right outside a keep, except the fight ended up extremely lopsided. And it wasn't the opposing-faction player that teabagged me. It was the player of my own faction.

And my respect for the human raced ticks down a notch again.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · February 2021

In a game of domination it's a sign of the most dominant.

They are disrespecting your dead body.

They are defiling you in a murder simulator.

Bucky_13 · February 2021

I just assume they do squats to make their butts prettier...

I guess I get teabagged every once in a while but I never pay attention to it, nor can I be bothered to do it myself since there's always something more important to pay attention to.

Lugaldu · February 2021

You can also look at this discussion from another side - mocking (or even abuse) of a defeated enemy has been documented since ancient times. It has a certain legitimacy, whether you like it or not.

Amarthiul · February 2021

Part of the reason is to provoke threads like this where people complain about it.

And lets be honest, some of the reactions here are hilarious.

LightYagami · February 2021

As a highly experienced Battlefield player, I'm not surprised to see T bagging. I personally don't hate that, even I'm the one died on the ground.

I don't understand why some people in this game so sensitive to T bagging...

Runaerian · February 2021

"I always thought they were LBGT players coming out of the closet ot whatnot. I figured they needed a release somewhere and they have more shielding on the internet... /shrugs. Good for all our LGBT players, I guess."

Um how does this even apply if you're a guy t-bagging a girl? LGBT also includes gay women who don't have balls so makes no sense there either. You might want to rethink this one. It's also interesting to me that it's always the "straight" guys who get the biggest kicks out of doing "gay stuff" to other guys. Maybe they enjoy it in ways they're unwilling to admit even to themselves...

On the other hand as a gay player I find it amusing and I do like to weird t-baggers out by letting them know how much I enjoy them enjoying sticking their junk in my face by whispering mmmm yes give it to me, more more you naughty boy I bet this is the most fun you've had in a while!

Elwendryll · February 2021

Ryuvain wrote: »

Well at least you know. Being a meme doesn't naturally make something ok though. T-bagging is just simply annoying imo and I don't really care. Just that it shouldn't really be seen as good or friendly unless you know each other and are teasing.

I never said it was friendly. It is provocative, like trash talking. It's part of the game. I do find it funny when it happens to me, it is, after all, an interaction with an other player, but as I said, I only do it with people I know, since triggering people is not something I enjoy.

This is a "competitive" environment, provoking someone in that context is ok, it is not a personal attack, it's often nothing more than "lol u ded".

It can absolutely be annoying. I wouldn't recommend t-bagging. What I'm not ok with is how people doing that are being judged. It looks like pure hypocrisy to me when someone claims t-bagging is disrespectful just to add that the people doing that have no life, weren't raised right, or whatever.

Any competitive environment comes with some heat, some people are not prepared to take the heat, and are uncomfortable with that. It is okay, and understandable.

But just look at how hateful some of the comments on that thread are, to me it's a disproportionate reaction.

Jaxious79 · February 2021

It has been going on since the 1st online multiplayer game where you could kill another player. It will never stop, I wouldnt be surprised if a person who did it 20 years ago in Halo is still doing it today.

gatekeeper13 · February 2021

Elwendryll wrote: »

I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, but you do realize that maybe, it was exactly that, he did it for no reason at all? It's part of a culture. For some people it's simple etiquette to t-bag when they get a kill.

T-bagging is annoying, disrespectful and offensive if you decide it is. A hate whisper is plainly disrespectful and insulting.

T-bagging is annoying, disrespectful and offensive for the majority of players. What's the point of doing that above a dead player? Only to humiliate and disrespect him. The hate whisper followed a disrespectful action.

If I call someone an idiot, it is offensive behavior. Because someone may find it funny or part of a "culture" doesnt mean it isnt offensive.

gatekeeper13 · February 2021

MasterSpatula wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Some months ago, I saw an ally and an enemy player fighting in Cyro. Ally was going to die so I decided to help him, but later realized they were dueling because my ally stopped fighting. Enemy player was a streamer and I had fought him some times before. He is a slightly better player than me and has some more wins against me than I have against him (truth is he has tanky builds and I use only a bow nightblade) but we have nothing personal, we just meet and fight like everyone else. Thing is I was wearing sets for aoe dmg to help complete the 40 player quest fast (just finished defending a keep, was wearing Seli+Venomous+Pillar and aoe skill setup, not good at all for 1v1) and that guy killed me. And for absolutely no reason he started T-bagging me. I replied with a hate whisper, but soon I realized it was a mistake because people like him, with no life outside video games, feed from that.

T-bag is sth very annoying, disrespecting and insulting. Personally never do it.

I had a similar situation recently right outside a keep, except the fight ended up extremely lopsided. And it wasn't the opposing-faction player that teabagged me. It was the player of my own faction.

And my respect for the human raced ticks down a notch again.

???? Why would an ally do that to you? I believe you, just saying it's weird and nonsensical behavior.

Eedat · February 2021

More complicated answer. It more about why people are so terrible to each other over the internet in general. It really has to do with how tribal our brains are. We hold people to different standards whether we identify them as "us" or "them". Our brain is able to draw these arbitrary lines around pretty much any parameter we make up. Like some of the more unsavory ones like race and religion to utterly arbitrary ones like team Android vs team Apple.

In any case, due to the anonymous nature of the internet there is nothing to bind randoms together as an "us" so people have no issue with treating them poorly. Some people will tbag a random person. If that same random ended up in the same guild as them they would never treat them like that because an arbitrary guild is enough to bind them into our "tribe". Add that to the fact that humans react strongly to a lot of non-verbal communication that is completely absent on the internet and you get the formula for the way people treat others online.

Humans are also deeply competitive. It's hard ingrained to the very most basic parts of our brain. We constantly fight these little social battles every single day with each other. We will look for means of elevating our socio-economic status. One such manner to do so is to put people underneath us. Making someone else look weak makes makes the other look better by comparison. The tbag is really nothing more than "they're weak, I'm strong". The chemical systems that control these behaviors are so archaic that the same chemicals that control it in our brain are the same ones that control it in a lobster's brain, for example. We branched off from lobsters some 300 million years ago. For reference, that is older than the dinosaurs. Older than trees. Older than all life on land. It's so similar that things like anti-depressants work on lobsters. Depression most of the time is the result of losing a lot of these 'social competitions' for lack of a better term. I'm not talking some weird lobster anti depressant either. The anti-depressant that you as a human would be prescribed today also works on a lobster. The system is THAT old.

Kinda crazy to think about but being terrible to each other on the internet is the natural default and everyone would need to actively fight against it on a personal level to get it to go away

rrimöykk · February 2021

We do it pretty often in our trial group when someone dies first or messes up some easy mechanic.

It's not insulting, it's for fun. I've had my share of it too and never found it insulting.

There are several ways to praise or annoy your opponent or friend in game in every game if you want to. I know some find it offensive but I'm just happy you can't do proper trolling in this game.

FantasticFreddie · February 2021

It's meant as a disrespectful taunt, generally to annoy your opponent into responding.
Best thing to do is respawn quickly and ignore.