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I was wrong, hope has been (semi) restored. My original title was: [b]No new: Class, Weapon, Skill l
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kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »This is nothing new. It’s already expected since the director’s letter in December notes that “ want to highlight that in 2021 we will devote more time overall to stability and game performance and less time to new game systems (with our standard content updates continuing unchanged”.
This
With the entire team working from home, I imagine developing big changes for the combat and balance is tricky.
Imagine sitting in a laggy zoom call with a dozen people to discuss the complexities of set changes, champion point updates, class balance, blergh.
WoW and FFXIV are able to offer you complete expansions with half a dozen zones, dungeons etc. during COVID and lockdowns and ZOS isn’t capable of revamping a skill line or adding a new weapon? lol
Despite my lack of intrest in the new eso exp, i would not give high praise to WoW their new exp is just god awful.Edited by kaisernick on January 26, 2021 11:25PM0 -
wild_kmacdb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭saf227_ESO wrote: »This is NOT a surprise if you paid attention at all. Remember Matt Firor's end of year letter, he said the in light of all the problems they had this last year, with game crashes, things breaking, fixes breaking more things, etc; there would be no new game systems. They would instead focus on fixing everything and improving stability:
"I want to highlight that in 2021 we will devote more time overall to stability and game performance and less time to new game systems (with our standard content updates continuing unchanged)"
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59387
Perhaps, but they can't keep holding new content hostage because of technical issues. It'd be like telling my boss at the office I can't do any of my work because my laptop isn't working and I don't know if or when it'll ever be working properly.
An MMO that doesn't evolve in a positive direction will fade into irrelevancy as players get burnt out.2 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »
WoW and FFXIV are able to offer you complete expansions with half a dozen zones, dungeons etc. during COVID and lockdowns and ZOS isn’t capable of revamping a skill line or adding a new weapon? lol
I'm no game developer, so I can't be sure about the specifics, but I imagine that writers, artists, and world designers have a much easier time working from home, each on their own thing.
Balance changes take a lot more discussion and testing to be completed. And that is the bit that is difficult during a pandemic.
Besides, FFXIV delayed a lot of their 2020 content because of the pandemic. And WoW expansions are not released yearly, so a lot of the development was likely done beforehand.
ESO is still getting two more zones, four more dungeons and all that entails. And without any delays."According to the calculations of the sages of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, the batam guar is the cutest creature in all Tamriel"0 -
Melwyn✭✭✭wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »An MMO that doesn't evolve in a positive direction will fade into irrelevancy as players get burnt out.
This!
There is simply missing everything like: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/559187/where-are-the-most-wanted-changes
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✭✭✭✭saf227_ESO wrote: »This is NOT a surprise if you paid attention at all. Remember Matt Firor's end of year letter, he said the in light of all the problems they had this last year, with game crashes, things breaking, fixes breaking more things, etc; there would be no new game systems. They would instead focus on fixing everything and improving stability:
"I want to highlight that in 2021 we will devote more time overall to stability and game performance and less time to new game systems (with our standard content updates continuing unchanged)"
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59387
Everyone forgets this apparently
the overwhelming feedback was "Stop Adding Systems and Focus on Fixing and Rebalancing"
ZOS does just that and initial feedback is; "wHeRE's mUh neW sYStEms?"7 -
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✭No new Class,
No new Weapon
No new Skill line
No new furnishing slots
No new system...
BUT you get new CROWN CRATES AYYYYYY
And NEW houses to spend crown! AYYYYYY
I mean come on!“The Second Era? Oh, you mean the BEAM Era. Because apparently every problem could be solved with a giant glowing light shooting at everything.”4 -
Doczy✭✭✭this game is turning to Knight Online / no one interests about players wishes or ideas . just new stuff to crown for money1
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✭✭✭✭✭kaisernick wrote: »Despite my lack of intrest in the new eso exp, i would not give high praise to WoW their new exp is just god awful.
Actually it’s not. It’s way better than the god awful BfA (last expansion). But that wasn’t my point. My point is the amount of stuff they offer you in the new expansion (5 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid, legendary items and more features) for the exact same price of ESO‘s new Chapter that offers you 1 zone, zero dungeons, 1 raid and a lame feature named companions - and all of that features during lockdowns & Corona, whereas ZOS - as said by others - isn’t capable of giving us one simple skill line or something like that.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭saf227_ESO wrote: »This is NOT a surprise if you paid attention at all. Remember Matt Firor's end of year letter, he said the in light of all the problems they had this last year, with game crashes, things breaking, fixes breaking more things, etc; there would be no new game systems. They would instead focus on fixing everything and improving stability:
"I want to highlight that in 2021 we will devote more time overall to stability and game performance and less time to new game systems (with our standard content updates continuing unchanged)"
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59387
Everyone forgets this apparently
the overwhelming feedback was "Stop Adding Systems and Focus on Fixing and Rebalancing"
ZOS does just that and initial feedback is; "wHeRE's mUh neW sYStEms?"
They are saying they focus on fixing and rebalancing for years now, this is nothing new and no excuse for the lack of features in the new Chapter. It simply isn’t.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
saf227_ESO✭✭✭✭proteinexe wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »What even happened to the CP rework? Is this going to continue to be vaporware for yet another year? In the entire time that I've been playing ESO the cap has been 810.
Speaking of balancing NPCs though, one wonders if that will entail crushing nerfs to existing skills and sets in order to "balance" the power-creep introduced by the NPCs.
If they would have changed CP and that alone, at LEAST that would have changed the game and how people played.
OK. Done.
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✭✭✭✭✭They're showing off the CP rework right now. It's going live with the first dungeon DLC patch.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
NagualV✭✭✭✭I would be extremely happy if they focused on stability, performance, new servers etc. for the next year tbh....1 -
Maythor✭✭✭✭And they are still charging us full price.Edited by Maythor on January 27, 2021 12:09AM0 -
proteinexe✭✭✭✭They're showing off the CP rework right now. It's going live with the first dungeon DLC patch.
and thank goodness for it. It actually looks really good. I like the fact you almost have to 'choose' your main passives you'll be wanting. Can change quickly between attacking and defending. Such a interesting Idea - ALSO so much theory crafting potential.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »Despite my lack of intrest in the new eso exp, i would not give high praise to WoW their new exp is just god awful.
Actually it’s not. It’s way better than the god awful BfA (last expansion). But that wasn’t my point. My point is the amount of stuff they offer you in the new expansion (5 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid, legendary items and more features) for the exact same price of ESO‘s new Chapter that offers you 1 zone, zero dungeons, 1 raid and a lame feature named companions - and all of that features during lockdowns & Corona, whereas ZOS - as said by others - isn’t capable of giving us one simple skill line or something like that.
Blizzard also has Activision backing, content output is dramatically increased in comparison to earlier expansions
Zenimax just got Microsoft backing - which hasn't even taken effect yet1 -
Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »They said new servers...I'm not even mad anymore....but companions are dumb.
But they also said the “new servers” won’t affect performance right after that.
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✭✭✭✭✭It seems to me that those who live their life with the glass half full took a lot from this reveal, while those who live their life with the glass half empty took very little from it.
I expect the same split when the PTS patch notes are discussed.2 -
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✭Second argonian related dlc zone and all it needed to become full fledged chapter were spears for stamina and scepters for magicka as new weapons.Awake, but at what cost0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The only disappointing thing about that stream, imo, was that the no procc in cyro is only during the test and wont last forever.... I wish we got a camp that didnt have any proccsets.
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kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »Despite my lack of intrest in the new eso exp, i would not give high praise to WoW their new exp is just god awful.
Actually it’s not. It’s way better than the god awful BfA (last expansion). But that wasn’t my point. My point is the amount of stuff they offer you in the new expansion (5 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid, legendary items and more features) for the exact same price of ESO‘s new Chapter that offers you 1 zone, zero dungeons, 1 raid and a lame feature named companions - and all of that features during lockdowns & Corona, whereas ZOS - as said by others - isn’t capable of giving us one simple skill line or something like that.
and all of shadowlands is behind a boring constant push of grinding designed to make you stay as long as possible.
Eso has far far less of that crap so you can go in enjoy the zones and not have to reach renown lvl 6 8 12 or 200 that is my point.
Wow always seems like more but if you strip the days of constant grinding to reach each milestone its no where near as much content.1 -
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✭✭✭CP overhaul and combat design changes are nice, but that's not related to the Chapter. It's a base game update likely for Q1.
The Chapter content is still very weak from what we've seen so far, but sometimes less is more - perhaps the narrative will be really high quality, and the zone will be a lot of fun to explore? I don't mind it being light on content if their focus on performance is genuine this time around.0 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »CP overhaul and combat design changes are nice, but that's not related to the Chapter. It's a base game update likely for Q1.
The Chapter content is still very weak from what we've seen so far, but sometimes less is more - perhaps the narrative will be really high quality, and the zone will be a lot of fun to explore? I don't mind it being light on content if their focus on performance is genuine this time around.
That said, it was very confusing seeing Wheeler talk about optimization and performance being key, moving away from percentage points to fixed values etc, and then full on announcing a random new addition to armour passives which is entirely percentage based. Some mixed messaging there...0 -
proteinexe✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »CP overhaul and combat design changes are nice, but that's not related to the Chapter. It's a base game update likely for Q1.
The Chapter content is still very weak from what we've seen so far, but sometimes less is more - perhaps the narrative will be really high quality, and the zone will be a lot of fun to explore? I don't mind it being light on content if their focus on performance is genuine this time around.
That said, it was very confusing seeing Wheeler talk about optimization and performance being key, moving away from percentage points to fixed values etc, and then full on announcing a random new addition to armour passives which is entirely percentage based. Some mixed messaging there...
I thought that exact same thing, but from what I understand, the % based on passives perform very minor checks, to the point where they’re insignificant.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »CP overhaul and combat design changes are nice, but that's not related to the Chapter. It's a base game update likely for Q1.
The Chapter content is still very weak from what we've seen so far, but sometimes less is more - perhaps the narrative will be really high quality, and the zone will be a lot of fun to explore? I don't mind it being light on content if their focus on performance is genuine this time around.
That said, it was very confusing seeing Wheeler talk about optimization and performance being key, moving away from percentage points to fixed values etc, and then full on announcing a random new addition to armour passives which is entirely percentage based. Some mixed messaging there...
Their reasoning often makes no sense and contradicts their actions... a lot.
Reduce server load and calculations by limiting active passives in the Champion Point system
vs.
Giving everyone a companion that you can equip and that fights for you / heals you / has own skills etc. which basically doubles the server load and calculations because now we have twice the amount of characters everywhere.
Does this make any sense?PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kaisernick wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »kaisernick wrote: »Despite my lack of intrest in the new eso exp, i would not give high praise to WoW their new exp is just god awful.
Actually it’s not. It’s way better than the god awful BfA (last expansion). But that wasn’t my point. My point is the amount of stuff they offer you in the new expansion (5 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 raid, legendary items and more features) for the exact same price of ESO‘s new Chapter that offers you 1 zone, zero dungeons, 1 raid and a lame feature named companions - and all of that features during lockdowns & Corona, whereas ZOS - as said by others - isn’t capable of giving us one simple skill line or something like that.
and all of shadowlands is behind a boring constant push of grinding designed to make you stay as long as possible.
Eso has far far less of that crap so you can go in enjoy the zones and not have to reach renown lvl 6 8 12 or 200 that is my point.
Wow always seems like more but if you strip the days of constant grinding to reach each milestone its no where near as much content.
Yes, Shadowlands is grindy. But you again missed my point. The expansion has 5 zones and 8 dungeons. That’s 4 zones and 8 dungeons more than the Chapter has to offer. All of that developed during a pandemic - granted, WoW hast 2 year expansions and ESO 1 year expansions, so let‘s half it - it’s still 2.5 zones and 4 dungeons in the end per year for the same price of ESO‘s Chapter. Besides that, Shadowlands offers a ton of systems - if you like them or not, if they’re grindy or not. They give you something fresh.
Shadowlands has excessive grinding, but so has ESO. Heard about the Champion Points? Constant grinding for specific gear sets for their bonuses? Those grinds are worse than anything you have in Shadowlands right now and they’ve been a part of ESO for half a decade now.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0
