Kwoung wrote: »

Are you talking about the thieves guild board quests?

NO. Just normal rescue mission of the campaign quest. Not particularly guild mission.

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

You don't have to be a khajiit nb. As for the gear, there are gear sets for every aspect of the game, even for harvesting resources in open world. Stealth is no different, and why would it be? You can do stealth missions with your regular build, but if you swap your gear it will just be easier.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

One of my stealth characters in an Argonian magDK, non-vamp. He does great. I also have a Bosmer Warden, she's at least stam spec'ed, but they're both just as effective.

Game has all the tools you need for stealth, or any other play style, with any race & class combo. Not fair to call the devs lazy when you're the one not putting it together. I like the stealth gameplay here.

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

You don't have to be a khajiit nb. As for the gear, there are gear sets for every aspect of the game, even for harvesting resources in open world. Stealth is no different, and why would it be? You can do stealth missions with your regular build, but if you swap your gear it will just be easier.

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

One of my stealth characters in an Argonian magDK, non-vamp. He does great. I also have a Bosmer Warden, she's at least stam spec'ed, but they're both just as effective.

Game has all the tools you need for stealth, or any other play style, with any race & class combo. Not fair to call the devs lazy when you're the one not putting it together. I like the stealth gameplay here.

Why should I change gear for a particular quest? Do you change gear to do a delve? Do you change gear to ride a mount? Crafting?

There is a certain level of “gear fatigue” creeping into this game. We don’t need a special set of gear for “everything” and doing a stealth quest (or stealth gameplay in general) is one of them. It’s bad enough we need separate builds for pvp and pve.

Also read this:

Skullstachio wrote: »

Have you ever created a character for stealth? Because from the looks of it, I think not.

Here’s a start: create a khajiit, Particularly a night blade for the Shadowy disguise, Get ‘em to 50/cp160, If you have alt characters, use one of them to get Night terror gear, night mothers embrace or, if you have the Elsweyr expansion, The Vesture of Darloc Brae. Build around those, and you will be so sneaky you’ll be pickin pockets and cracking open safe boxes with your eyes closed. (Metaphorically.)

Why not respond to this? Because they like the system, perhaps?

The current stealth system is deeply flawed, having a singular race have a consistent advantage to stealth is bad for race choice AND is not lore friendly.

Having a particular stealth set is also against the lore. Bosmers (for example) are naturally stealthy, and it’s not because they all go to the same kahjit tailor.

Stealth should be its own tree with its own set of bonuses that all races should have access too.

Letting one race be the stealthy one is lazy design, letting only particular armor sets promote stealth is also lazy design. There are much better options for stealth gameplay then the current haphazard work arounds.

BlueRaven wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

You don't have to be a khajiit nb. As for the gear, there are gear sets for every aspect of the game, even for harvesting resources in open world. Stealth is no different, and why would it be? You can do stealth missions with your regular build, but if you swap your gear it will just be easier.

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Yeah, ESO is not a particularly good game for stealth.

IF, you roll a Kahjiit;
AND IF, you roll a nb,
AND IF, you where a particular set of armor;
THEN,...

How is this acceptable? Go into any thieves den and there is a wide variety of NPC races running a wide variety of armor types. Yet we the player are limited to a very narrow selection.

What we have now just feels very lazy from a design perspective. But then again, a lot of this game from how they build and maintain the client, to the story, to game mechanics just feels lazy recently, so I guess it is as high quality we can get.

One of my stealth characters in an Argonian magDK, non-vamp. He does great. I also have a Bosmer Warden, she's at least stam spec'ed, but they're both just as effective.

Game has all the tools you need for stealth, or any other play style, with any race & class combo. Not fair to call the devs lazy when you're the one not putting it together. I like the stealth gameplay here.

Why should I change gear for a particular quest? Do you change gear to do a delve? Do you change gear to ride a mount? Crafting?

There is a certain level of “gear fatigue” creeping into this game. We don’t need a special set of gear for “everything” and doing a stealth quest (or stealth gameplay in general) is one of them. It’s bad enough we need separate builds for pvp and pve.

Also read this:

Skullstachio wrote: »

Have you ever created a character for stealth? Because from the looks of it, I think not.

Here’s a start: create a khajiit, Particularly a night blade for the Shadowy disguise, Get ‘em to 50/cp160, If you have alt characters, use one of them to get Night terror gear, night mothers embrace or, if you have the Elsweyr expansion, The Vesture of Darloc Brae. Build around those, and you will be so sneaky you’ll be pickin pockets and cracking open safe boxes with your eyes closed. (Metaphorically.)

Why not respond to this? Because they like the system, perhaps?

The current stealth system is deeply flawed, having a singular race have a consistent advantage to stealth is bad for race choice AND is not lore friendly.

Having a particular stealth set is also against the lore. Bosmers (for example) are naturally stealthy, and it’s not because they all go to the same kahjit tailor.

Stealth should be its own tree with its own set of bonuses that all races should have access too.

Letting one race be the stealthy one is lazy design, letting only particular armor sets promote stealth is also lazy design. There are much better options for stealth gameplay then the current haphazard work arounds.

Again: you don't HAVE to use specific gear. It just makes things easier, and that's why people suggest it when someone is struggling. I've done justice achievements on 2 characters, neither of them was a khajiit nb and Darloc brae set was not even a thing back then. So it's possible.
As for being lore-friendly... There's things like Chameleon spell/enchants, ring of khajiit, Nocturnal's cowl, bow of shadows and other artifacts that are useful for thieves and assassins. Nothing lore unfriendly about it.
P.S. And yes, I swap my tank's gear when I do delves. It takes forever to kill stuff with raid setup.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Why should I change gear for a particular quest?

This reminded me of Payday 2 achievement that requires you to complete a full stealth (no alarms allowed at all) heist with rocket launcher and minigun equipped. It's called "I have no idea what I'm doing". You look pretty ridiculous complaining that stealth quests demand stealth gear. Almost as ridiculous as comparing an MMORPG with singleplayer stealth-oriented games. I can't think of a single MMO that has even nearly as many stealth opportunities as ESO.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Why should I change gear for a particular quest? Do you change gear to do a delve? Do you change gear to ride a mount? Crafting?

Yes, yes I do.

I have 4 sets of gear in my inventory and I switch between them depending on what I'm doing;

Tank 1: Ebon Armory, Bahrahas curse, Engine guardian
Tank 2: Brands of Imperium, Bahrahas Curse, Lord Warden
"DPS" (overland solo damage set): Thunderbug, Bahrahas Curse, Ilambris
Stealth: Nights Silence, Darloc Brae

Of course, playing on PC means it's super-easy to change gear using mods. I'm not sure I'd bother if I were on a console tbh...

Also, I like Bahrahas Curse.

notyuu wrote: »

You want to be super undetctble maxium man?

here's how I do it as a nord

equip the following number of pieces from the following sets

Night terror: 3
night mother's embrace: 5
Vesture of darloc brae: 4

those three combined with their stacking sneak detection reduction makes you into a ninja...it also makes you hit like a wet noodle...

combine with vampire khajiit for maxium effect

Actually, my vampire Khajit runs Ring of the Wild Hunt and 5-piece Darloc Brae. He doesn't miss the Night Mother's Embrace bonus at all; he can literally bump into an enemy without being detected.

Anyhow, for stealth:

• You definitely want either to be a vampire or to run a set such as Night's Silence, so that being stealthy doesn't cost you any speed.
• Being a vampire has the small additional benefit that you get into stealth faster.
• It is great to be a nightblade. One reason is that slotting Concealed Weapon actually increases your speed in stealth. The invisibility skill also has multiple uses.
• If you're going to steal and risk being caught by guards, you can usefully slot snarebreaking and run-speed skills.
• Escaping guards is a LOT easier if you're caught outdoors rather than inside.
• There are many sources of stealth buffs: Armor bonuses, Nightblade skills, Medium armor passive, Khajit passive, Legerdemain passive, champion points, etc.
• A good thief build is a weak build for combat. Your armor set bonuses aren't geared for combat. If stamblade, you can't use the Surprise Attack morph. If magicka, you have the problem of wearing medium armor. This generally isn't a problem overland, but it can be an issue when soloing group dungeons.