Sahidom wrote: »

Another thought would be to have all 13 mundus stones be incorporated into the new CP system. Each stone having its own comprehensive benefits; pulling ides from the Elder Scrolls old system.

Sarannah wrote: »

I would not rework CP points, I would expand the current system with an infinite non-gameplay affecting bonus system.
Which even with +10.000CP would not make too much of a difference. Bonusses like: +0.01% gold gained from quests/ +0.01% chance for chest items to drop 1 tier higher/ +0.01% experience bonus from quests/ +0.01% experience bonus from killing monsters/ -0.01% repair costs. Stuff like that, that has no high impact, but does add up with thousands of points put into it.

CP 810 has become unique to ESO, and for that reason it should stay. Just expand it. Keep the current CP 810 system, and any points above CP 810 go into the expanded CP system.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I would make it so that champion point perks scale up exponentially rather than have diminishing returns. Why? because making people spend TONS of points into one particular perk vs. another is how you make people make meaningful choices.

For example- right now, for a magika build, people only put 31-39 points into Spell Erosion which decreases spell resistance, and then put something ~ 57-65 points (I can't recall the exact optimal number) into the perk that increases raw spell damage. By having exponential bonus scaling vs. diminishing returns, your encouraging people to put way more points into one perk than the other in order to gain the benefit, and that causes people to make more meaningful choices about their build (race, gear, skills used, passives needed, etc.)

Of course, this would come with the caveat that they should make adjustments to the combat system, such as increasing damage done if you overpenetrate. What I mean by that is right now, you get ZERO bonus damage in PVE if you have over 18200 physical or spell penetration (group accumulative). However, IMO, if you have, say 24200 penetration, that 6000 extra spell/armor penetration should translate to an X% increase in damage, basically becoming the equivalent of a raw spell damage buff.

These kind of changes would force people to invest in fewer perks, but invest more heavily in them to make their builds work. And if done right, with some corresponding combat changes, this would actually lead to an increase in the number of viable endgame builds. I think this would be great for the game because, IMO, the champion point system shouldn't be about having the optimal number of points placed in certain skills but about investing in certain things you really want to emphasize in your build. Want to be a healer? You'll only be able to heal well if you invest heavily in the small number of healing-specific champion point perks, precluding you from also being good at DPSing. Want to DPS? you can go for heavy burst damage output by overwhelming spell/weapon damage (but you'll lack in sustain penetration), overwhelming penetration (but you'll lack in sustain or penetration), or sustained damage output (but you'll lack in penetration and raw damage). And Tanks, too, would have to lean heavily into their survivability perks as well.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I would make it so that champion point perks scale up exponentially rather than have diminishing returns. Why? because making people spend TONS of points into one particular perk vs. another is how you make people make meaningful choices.

For example- right now, for a magika build, people only put 31-39 points into Spell Erosion which decreases spell resistance, and then put something ~ 57-65 points (I can't recall the exact optimal number) into the perk that increases raw spell damage. By having exponential bonus scaling vs. diminishing returns, your encouraging people to put way more points into one perk than the other in order to gain the benefit, and that causes people to make more meaningful choices about their build (race, gear, skills used, passives needed, etc.)

Of course, this would come with the caveat that they should make adjustments to the combat system, such as increasing damage done if you overpenetrate. What I mean by that is right now, you get ZERO bonus damage in PVE if you have over 18200 physical or spell penetration (group accumulative). However, IMO, if you have, say 24200 penetration, that 6000 extra spell/armor penetration should translate to an X% increase in damage, basically becoming the equivalent of a raw spell damage buff.

These kind of changes would force people to invest in fewer perks, but invest more heavily in them to make their builds work. And if done right, with some corresponding combat changes, this would actually lead to an increase in the number of viable endgame builds. I think this would be great for the game because, IMO, the champion point system shouldn't be about having the optimal number of points placed in certain skills but about investing in certain things you really want to emphasize in your build. Want to be a healer? You'll only be able to heal well if you invest heavily in the small number of healing-specific champion point perks, precluding you from also being good at DPSing. Want to DPS? you can go for heavy burst damage output by overwhelming spell/weapon damage (but you'll lack in sustain penetration), overwhelming penetration (but you'll lack in sustain or penetration), or sustained damage output (but you'll lack in penetration and raw damage). And Tanks, too, would have to lean heavily into their survivability perks as well.

josiahva wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I would make it so that champion point perks scale up exponentially rather than have diminishing returns. Why? because making people spend TONS of points into one particular perk vs. another is how you make people make meaningful choices.

For example- right now, for a magika build, people only put 31-39 points into Spell Erosion which decreases spell resistance, and then put something ~ 57-65 points (I can't recall the exact optimal number) into the perk that increases raw spell damage. By having exponential bonus scaling vs. diminishing returns, your encouraging people to put way more points into one perk than the other in order to gain the benefit, and that causes people to make more meaningful choices about their build (race, gear, skills used, passives needed, etc.)

Of course, this would come with the caveat that they should make adjustments to the combat system, such as increasing damage done if you overpenetrate. What I mean by that is right now, you get ZERO bonus damage in PVE if you have over 18200 physical or spell penetration (group accumulative). However, IMO, if you have, say 24200 penetration, that 6000 extra spell/armor penetration should translate to an X% increase in damage, basically becoming the equivalent of a raw spell damage buff.

These kind of changes would force people to invest in fewer perks, but invest more heavily in them to make their builds work. And if done right, with some corresponding combat changes, this would actually lead to an increase in the number of viable endgame builds. I think this would be great for the game because, IMO, the champion point system shouldn't be about having the optimal number of points placed in certain skills but about investing in certain things you really want to emphasize in your build. Want to be a healer? You'll only be able to heal well if you invest heavily in the small number of healing-specific champion point perks, precluding you from also being good at DPSing. Want to DPS? you can go for heavy burst damage output by overwhelming spell/weapon damage (but you'll lack in sustain penetration), overwhelming penetration (but you'll lack in sustain or penetration), or sustained damage output (but you'll lack in penetration and raw damage). And Tanks, too, would have to lean heavily into their survivability perks as well.

I don't care for this type of idea honestly, I like to have FLEXIBLE characters that can do different things....by forcing specialization it takes away much of my desire to play. I don't like one-trick ponies.