Races That Need Motifs

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

Ended up counting motifs for each race and a few are much lower than others. Also I know there are a few that have been datamined, this list is of ones currently available to players. If there are any you think need to be added or removed let me know.

Race: Definite racial motif, Possible racial motif

Darkelf: 7-10 (Darkelf, Hlaalu, telvanni, Redoran, Buoyant Armiger, Ashlander, Militant Ordinator, Refabricated, Apostle, Morag Tong)
Highelf: 5-8 (Ancestral, Highelf, Sapiarch, Divine pros, Welkynar, Psijic Order, Aldmeri Dominion, Ancient Elf)
Orc: 5 (Ancestral, Orc, Ancient Orc, Malacath, Trinimac)
Woodelf: 2 (Woodelf, Stags of zen])
Nord: 6-8 (Ancestral, Nord, Blackreach Vanguard, Sea Giant, Swordthane, Draugr, Ebonheart Pact)
Redguard: 3-5 ( Redguard, Yokudan, Ra Gada, Pyre Watch, Abah's Watch)
Breton: 1-2 (Breton, Daggerfall Covenant)
Imperial: 1-4 (Imperial, Order of the Hour, Akavirii, Shield of senchal)
Khajit: 5 (Khajit, Dro-m'Athra, Anequina, Pellitine, Sunspire, Moongrave Fane)
Argonian: 4 (Argonian, Mazzatun, Dead-Water, Elder Argonian)

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons? Assuming we will be getting a few imperials with the new year, so saying they need more motifs is redundant.

OneForSorrow · December 2020

I would consider Shield of Senchal and New Moon Priest Khajiit as well.

I agree Wood Elves, Bretons and Imperials need more love.

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

OneForSorrow wrote: »

I would consider Shield of Senchal and New Moon Priest Khajiit as well.

I agree Wood Elves, Bretons and Imperials need more love.

I thought about that but wasnt sure, they seem more like organizations but without the concrete connection like the psijic or pyre or tong

Was also considering celestial as redguard because it has some yoku vibes but wasnt sure.

Olauron · December 2020

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Ended up counting motifs for each race and a few are much lower than others. Also I know there are a few that have been datamined, this list is of ones currently available to players. If there are any you think need to be added or removed let me know.

Race: Definite racial motif, Possible racial motif
Darkelf: 7-10 (Darkelf, Hlaalu, telvanni, Redoran, Buoyant Armiger, Ashlander, Militant Ordinator, Refabricated, Apostle, Morag Tong)

Highelf: 5-8 (Ancestral, Highelf, Sapiarch, Divine pros, Welkynar, Psijic Order, Aldmeri Dominion, Ancient Elf)

Orc: 5 (Ancestral, Orc, Ancient Orc, Malacath, Trinimac)

Woodelf: 1-3 (Woodelf, Barbarian, Primal)

Nord: 4-6 (Ancestral, Nord, Blackreach Vanguard, Sea Giant, Draugr, Ebonheart Pact)

Redguard: 3-5 ( Redguard, Yokudan, Ra Gada, Pyre Watch, Abah's Watch)

Breton: 1-3 (Breton, Daggerfall Covenant, Soul Shriven)

Imperial: 1-2 (Imperial, Order of the Hour)

Khajit: 5 (Khajit, Dro-m'Athra, Anequina, Pellitine, Sunspire, Moongrave Fane)

Argonian: 4 (Argonian, Mazzatun, Dead-Water, Elder Argonian)

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons? Assuming we will be getting a few imperials with the new year, so saying they need more motifs is redundant.

I am definitely not against more racial motifs, but I would add Stags of Z'en to the list of Wood Elves.

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

Olauron wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Ended up counting motifs for each race and a few are much lower than others. Also I know there are a few that have been datamined, this list is of ones currently available to players. If there are any you think need to be added or removed let me know.

Race: Definite racial motif, Possible racial motif
Darkelf: 7-10 (Darkelf, Hlaalu, telvanni, Redoran, Buoyant Armiger, Ashlander, Militant Ordinator, Refabricated, Apostle, Morag Tong)

Highelf: 5-8 (Ancestral, Highelf, Sapiarch, Divine pros, Welkynar, Psijic Order, Aldmeri Dominion, Ancient Elf)

Orc: 5 (Ancestral, Orc, Ancient Orc, Malacath, Trinimac)

Woodelf: 1-3 (Woodelf, Barbarian, Primal)

Nord: 4-6 (Ancestral, Nord, Blackreach Vanguard, Sea Giant, Draugr, Ebonheart Pact)

Redguard: 3-5 ( Redguard, Yokudan, Ra Gada, Pyre Watch, Abah's Watch)

Breton: 1-3 (Breton, Daggerfall Covenant, Soul Shriven)

Imperial: 1-2 (Imperial, Order of the Hour)

Khajit: 5 (Khajit, Dro-m'Athra, Anequina, Pellitine, Sunspire, Moongrave Fane)

Argonian: 4 (Argonian, Mazzatun, Dead-Water, Elder Argonian)

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons? Assuming we will be getting a few imperials with the new year, so saying they need more motifs is redundant.

I am definitely not against more racial motifs, but I would add Stags of Z'en to the list of Wood Elves.

Havent ran that dungeon yet so I dont now the specifics other than it appears to be primiative in style. Is it like worn by primarily woodelf npcs?

tomofhyrule · December 2020

Barbarian and Primal are not Wood Elf motifs. Barbarian went to the Reachmen and Primal is goblins. Depending on whether you want to consider Reachmen as Bretons or not, they also have Dreadhorn, Bloodforge, and Icereach. Goblins also have Coldsnap as well.

However, Bosmer do have Stags of Z'en as well. I'd also suggest that Akaviri is listed somewhat under Imperials as well, as you do see the Imperial Elite Guard wearing it in WGT. That could also lead to a bit of Honor Guard, but Imperials can go back and forth between the Romanesque Imperials we're used to, and the East Asian inspired styles from Akavir. Shield of Senchal is also a weird Imperial/Khajiit hybrid.

There are suggestions that Ancestral versions of Breton, Imperial, and Akaviri are also inbound. Still, very interested to see what we've got coming up in this next set of DLC. I'm eagerly awaiting the PTS update (and the associated datamines) to see what's in store.

Olauron · December 2020

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Ended up counting motifs for each race and a few are much lower than others. Also I know there are a few that have been datamined, this list is of ones currently available to players. If there are any you think need to be added or removed let me know.

Race: Definite racial motif, Possible racial motif
Darkelf: 7-10 (Darkelf, Hlaalu, telvanni, Redoran, Buoyant Armiger, Ashlander, Militant Ordinator, Refabricated, Apostle, Morag Tong)

Highelf: 5-8 (Ancestral, Highelf, Sapiarch, Divine pros, Welkynar, Psijic Order, Aldmeri Dominion, Ancient Elf)

Orc: 5 (Ancestral, Orc, Ancient Orc, Malacath, Trinimac)

Woodelf: 1-3 (Woodelf, Barbarian, Primal)

Nord: 4-6 (Ancestral, Nord, Blackreach Vanguard, Sea Giant, Draugr, Ebonheart Pact)

Redguard: 3-5 ( Redguard, Yokudan, Ra Gada, Pyre Watch, Abah's Watch)

Breton: 1-3 (Breton, Daggerfall Covenant, Soul Shriven)

Imperial: 1-2 (Imperial, Order of the Hour)

Khajit: 5 (Khajit, Dro-m'Athra, Anequina, Pellitine, Sunspire, Moongrave Fane)

Argonian: 4 (Argonian, Mazzatun, Dead-Water, Elder Argonian)

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons? Assuming we will be getting a few imperials with the new year, so saying they need more motifs is redundant.

I am definitely not against more racial motifs, but I would add Stags of Z'en to the list of Wood Elves.

Havent ran that dungeon yet so I dont now the specifics other than it appears to be primiative in style. Is it like worn by primarily woodelf npcs?

I don't remember any NPCs (I've been in the dungeons just once), but the description of the style is the following:

The Spinners will tell you that all the world is a tree. Evils burrow under the bark like weevils and drink the goodness out of life. The Green's warriors search the boughs, plucking vices from their hiding places and devouring them with relish. Transgression and consequence. Wickedness and payment in kind. We Stags exact that punishment. We claim that payment in blood. Z'en, god of toil and vengeance, demands nothing less.

CHEST PIECES

We Wood Elves excel at all crafts, but butchering monstrous beetles remains one of our most time-honored traditions. Crafting a Stag brigandine requires hundreds of delicate cuts to create a flexible garment. Affixing the chitin plates to a leather jack can take many long hours, but the results speak for themselves.

And more here.

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

Olauron wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Ended up counting motifs for each race and a few are much lower than others. Also I know there are a few that have been datamined, this list is of ones currently available to players. If there are any you think need to be added or removed let me know.

Race: Definite racial motif, Possible racial motif
Darkelf: 7-10 (Darkelf, Hlaalu, telvanni, Redoran, Buoyant Armiger, Ashlander, Militant Ordinator, Refabricated, Apostle, Morag Tong)

Highelf: 5-8 (Ancestral, Highelf, Sapiarch, Divine pros, Welkynar, Psijic Order, Aldmeri Dominion, Ancient Elf)

Orc: 5 (Ancestral, Orc, Ancient Orc, Malacath, Trinimac)

Woodelf: 1-3 (Woodelf, Barbarian, Primal)

Nord: 4-6 (Ancestral, Nord, Blackreach Vanguard, Sea Giant, Draugr, Ebonheart Pact)

Redguard: 3-5 ( Redguard, Yokudan, Ra Gada, Pyre Watch, Abah's Watch)

Breton: 1-3 (Breton, Daggerfall Covenant, Soul Shriven)

Imperial: 1-2 (Imperial, Order of the Hour)

Khajit: 5 (Khajit, Dro-m'Athra, Anequina, Pellitine, Sunspire, Moongrave Fane)

Argonian: 4 (Argonian, Mazzatun, Dead-Water, Elder Argonian)

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons? Assuming we will be getting a few imperials with the new year, so saying they need more motifs is redundant.

I am definitely not against more racial motifs, but I would add Stags of Z'en to the list of Wood Elves.

Havent ran that dungeon yet so I dont now the specifics other than it appears to be primiative in style. Is it like worn by primarily woodelf npcs?

I don't remember any NPCs (I've been in the dungeons just once), but the description of the style is the following:

The Spinners will tell you that all the world is a tree. Evils burrow under the bark like weevils and drink the goodness out of life. The Green's warriors search the boughs, plucking vices from their hiding places and devouring them with relish. Transgression and consequence. Wickedness and payment in kind. We Stags exact that punishment. We claim that payment in blood. Z'en, god of toil and vengeance, demands nothing less.

CHEST PIECES

We Wood Elves excel at all crafts, but butchering monstrous beetles remains one of our most time-honored traditions. Crafting a Stag brigandine requires hundreds of delicate cuts to create a flexible garment. Affixing the chitin plates to a leather jack can take many long hours, but the results speak for themselves.

And more here.

Someone also mentioned it so I updated the list

Faulgor · December 2020

While there are 5 styles for Orcs, not one of them looks close to the Orcish from Morrowind or Oblivion. I'd really like to see those again. TBH there are even Dunmer styles I wouldn't mind seeing, especially individual pieces like the Telvanni Cephalopod helmet.

Breton only has one, Breton. Soul Shriven is not Breton, and I wouldn't count the alliance styles towards any specific race.
As others have said, Wood Elf currently has two (Wood Elf and Stags of Z'en).
Imperial could include the several Akaviri styles, but I understand if someone sees that as a stretch. I would include the Shields of Senchal in their lineup though, it's an Imperial organization and is clearly designed for man and not cats (look at the heavy helm).

If you include the outfits, Nords also have Snowhawk Mage, Swordthane, Skaal and Sovngarde. Knight of the Circle is Breton/Imperial-ish. There are more that elude me right now.

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

While there are 5 styles for Orcs, not one of them looks close to the Orcish from Morrowind or Oblivion. I'd really like to see those again. TBH there are even Dunmer styles I wouldn't mind seeing, especially individual pieces like the Telvanni Cephalopod helmet.

Breton only has one, Breton. Soul Shriven is not Breton, and I wouldn't count the alliance styles towards any specific race.
As others have said, Wood Elf currently has two (Wood Elf and Stags of Z'en).
Imperial could include the several Akaviri styles, but I understand if someone sees that as a stretch. I would include the Shields of Senchal in their lineup though, it's an Imperial organization and is clearly designed for man and not cats (look at the heavy helm).

If you include the outfits, Nords also have Snowhawk Mage, Swordthane, Skaal and Sovngarde. Knight of the Circle is Breton/Imperial-ish. There are more that elude me right now.

Would definitely like to see dres, indorial and telvanii closer to what we saw in tes5. Not arguing they shouldnt be added. Just with how many they have already it would be cool to see some other races first. Very excited for when the finally add telvanni island into game.

GrimTheReaper45 · December 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

While there are 5 styles for Orcs, not one of them looks close to the Orcish from Morrowind or Oblivion. I'd really like to see those again. TBH there are even Dunmer styles I wouldn't mind seeing, especially individual pieces like the Telvanni Cephalopod helmet.

Breton only has one, Breton. Soul Shriven is not Breton, and I wouldn't count the alliance styles towards any specific race.
As others have said, Wood Elf currently has two (Wood Elf and Stags of Z'en).
Imperial could include the several Akaviri styles, but I understand if someone sees that as a stretch. I would include the Shields of Senchal in their lineup though, it's an Imperial organization and is clearly designed for man and not cats (look at the heavy helm).

If you include the outfits, Nords also have Snowhawk Mage, Swordthane, Skaal and Sovngarde. Knight of the Circle is Breton/Imperial-ish. There are more that elude me right now.

Added swordthane, I missed that one, pretty sure its a full motif. Also added akavirii and senchal as a possible

the rest of the outfits arnt full motifs, havent been counting those/

tsaescishoeshiner · December 2020

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons?

Thanks for the compilation. It's worth pointing out that the Bretons & Wood Elves each had 4 basegame quest zones, which encompass most of their cultural territory, so they haven't gotten new armor styles with DLC or Chapters

The Glenmoril style pages are definitely Breton ones. I'd also add Jephrine Paladin to High Elf styles. I know these are style pages and not motifs, but the two are nearly interchangeable at this point, and we get so so many new style pages every year now that they've replaced the concept of event motifs

I'd definitely like to see more Bosmer styles and more Bosmer content, but I'm not sure what more Breton motifs would look like, since they're a bit more generic. The Knights of the Circle style page looks a bit Breton to me, but really it's just Aedric, and somewhat Imperial

Zulera301 · December 2020

here's a few corrections I would offer up to the original list.

ALTMER: Divine Prosecution is a style not a motif. Otherwise I would count it as Altmer, but since it's not a real motif I don't. Welkynars are part of the Altmeri culture so they qualify, and while Aldmeri Dominion as a style is supposed to encompass the three races, it's clearly mostly Altmer in design. By contrast, Ancient Elf is essentially Ayleid, not Altmer. Glass could count since the motif books mention Firsthold and such, but they also imply it was a rewrite of an earlier record, which may not have been Altmeri in origin.

DUNMER: I would argue that Morag Tong would count as Dunmer, while Apostle and Refabricated would be their own thing (reading the Refabricated motif makes it seem more Dwarven, along the same lines as Dwemer and Arkthzand). Similarly, I would actually argue that Ebonheart Pact looks more Dunmer than Nord, apart from the dragon motifs (the medium armour in particular gives off more Dunmer vibes). Although this is easily the one of the three alliance motifs that doesn't really take after a singular race.

BOSMER: Barbaric would be "Reachmen" really, and Primal is more what you see on goblins. Stags of Z'en is definitely Bosmer though, as others have pointed out. Otherwise they don't have much going for them. One could possibly argue in favour of Huntsman as well, although that might be a stretch.

NORD: Similar to Divine Prosecution, Swordthane isn't a real motif and so I don't count it, although you could argue that the Stahlrim Frostcaster motif that's a crown-store exclusive could count as a Nord one. Sea Giant I would put as its own thing, for the same reason you wouldn't count Pyandonean as Altmer. Also as I mentioned with Dunmer, Ebonheart Pact is kind of more a cross between Dunmer and Nord, rather than just Nord. the light and medium styles clearly have more Dunmeri influence I've seen.

BRETON: Similar to Aldmeri Dominion being primarily Altmeri, the Daggerfall Covenant Motif is definitely primarily Breton in its design. there's also an unreleased Ancestral Breton motif (you can see it on Gwendis/Verandis and other Ravenwatch if you do the Markarth storyline), but give it time and I'm sure it'll reveal itself (there's been an Etched Molybdenum datamined too). Otherwise like Bosmer, they kinda got shorted since they got their whole zone day one.

REDGUARD: I would let Abah's Watch and Pyre Watch count as Redguard as those appear to be primarily Redguard factions. On the other hand, Yokudan and Ra Gada almost seem like more of "Ancient Redguard" similar to Ancient Elf, similar to Celestial, but maybe that's just me.

KHAJIIT/ORC/ARGONIAN: nothing to argue here since you caught all of their racial motifs and there aren't really any "debatable" ones. You did name 6 motifs for Khajiit though and only numbered 5. You could argue that New Moon Priest is Khajiiti as well, however.

IMPERIAL: With the Shields of Senchal and the Order of the Hour being Imperial factions, I would count those. Akaviri is hard to place due to the existence of... well, Akavir. I think if it was a Venn Diagram this one would be between both circles, as it were. There was also an Ancestral Imperial motif datamined for the Oblivion chapter coming 2021.

and then the rest are other races.
DWEMER: Dwemer, Refabricated, Arkthzand Armory; ostensibly Apostle, given Sotha Sil's inspiration from Dwemer machinations.

REACH: Barbaric, Ancestral Reach, Dreadhorn, Bloodforge, Icereach Coven, Wayward Guardian (datamined, the Witch-Knight set from The Reach has this style in medium).

AKAVIR: Akaviri, Honor Guard, Dragonguard, Tsaesci (Crown Store Exclusive), Ancestral Akaviri (datamined)

DAEDRA: Daedric, Xivkyn, Dremora, Ebonshadow, Meridian, Soul-Shriven (technically), Huntsman (arguably), Skinchanger (arguably)

PRIMITIVE: Primal, Coldsnap, Minotaur, Huntsman (arguably), Skinchanger (arguably)

VAMPIRIC: Greymoor, Nighthollow (Datamined, motif style can be found in the Voidcaller set from Markarth)

FACTION: Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Silver Dawn, Worm Cult, Blackreach Vanguard, Fang Lair, Scalecaller, Dominion/Covenant/Pact

UNSORTED: Grim Harlequin, Silken Ring, Hollowjack, Ebony, Mercenary, Outlaw, Assassins League, Sea Giant, Thorn Legion, Hazardous Alchemy, Pyandonean (okay that one's obviousyl Sea Elf but since it's the only one, it's "unsorted". shhhh)

I think that covers all of them.

ealdwin · December 2020

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Can we get some love for Woodelves and Bretons?

but I'm not sure what more Breton motifs would look like, since they're a bit more generic.

I wouldn't mind a motif or an outfit style that resembled the Spell Knight armor from TES V: Skyrim. The description for the armor in the CC states:

Adorn the armor of the Spell Knight, the Keepers of the Crypt of Hearts, renowned throughout High Rock for their bravery and valor.

. It's a nice looking armor in Skyrim that could translate nicely into ESO.