I've done TG on a Templar and don't recall any significant issues. Sneaking is available to all, after all, preferably in medium armor (and appropriate sets).
If that's not enough, invisibility potions are another option. Vampirism helps too, I guess.

Not being a Nightblade means you have to get more creative, but the tools are there. Now that you mention it, I think I'll run my DK Khajiit tank through TG soon. Should be fun!

The skill lines themselves aren't geared for one class over another, I think. But I think a Khajiit's pickpocket and sneak passive would be the best fit for general thievery, so they might profit most from the fencing passives.

My Breton Stam Sorc Silencer and Master Thief did fine on both questlines.

Between stealth gear, the hiding baskets, decent timing, and strategic invis pots, I didn't need a nightblade.

Now, if you were planning for perfect Heists/Sacraments, that might be different. I wouldn't know - I've done just enough of those to know I hate them.

everyone here talk it is possible to get it done with other classes than NB, right but you need to switch specially full gear and even build for this yes? as I see what some people are doing to be able to do it, ok

but the funnies thing it is is that on every other class you need to change your build, setup, morphs for this while on nb you dont need, you dont need to pay for any change, for special gear for this, just use cloak and it is enough and it is even more than enough with mythic ring of the wild hunt without need to invest a single piece of gold to do this content in compare to other classes

You can do them both with any race and any class. To make things easier just craft sets that give a bonis to sneak and lower detection, also maxing your legerdemain and crafting invisibility pots can make things really easy.

It all depends if your willing to put in that little extra effort in before hand to prepare.

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everyone here talk it is possible to get it done with other classes than NB, right but you need to switch specially full gear and even build for this yes? as I see what some people are doing to be able to do it, ok

but the funnies thing it is is that on every other class you need to change your build, setup, morphs for this while on nb you dont need, you dont need to pay for any change, for special gear for this, just use cloak and it is enough and it is even more than enough with mythic ring of the wild hunt without need to invest a single piece of gold to do this content in compare to other classes

Meh. I can't stand nightblades. Maybe its really that much easier on one, but there was no way I was playing a nightblade for TG amd DB.

Stealth gear made it easier and I'd invest in it on any character who's going to farm NPCs via pick, pick, stab. It's cheap or easy to get from overland farming, and its not like it hampers the sort of gameplay you get with pick, pick, stab. Its mostly sneaking and occasionally running away.

I've run "stealth-based missions" on my completely non-stealthy MagDK though. It requires going slow and paying attention to timing, pathing, line of sight, and hoping you get to a basket in time. If you want to do it fast and efficiently, you invest in stealth or you play a nightblade.

(BTW, can I rant about ZOS throwing stealth-based missions into normal questlines? My MagDK was doing Murkmire when the quest sent her stumbling into this camp owned by a rival company, and the NPCs were like "Please don't kill anyone even though they'll attack if they see you! They're legally innocent, you know. Don't get caught!"

My very non-stealthy, but fairly heroic MagDK: "Well, eff..."

I made it out without killing anyone or getting caught, but ugh. It was unpleasant and there wasn't even the opportunity to go back to town and make invis pots because it was a segment in the middle of a quest.)

I've completed the Thieves Guild and started the Dark Brotherhood on a dark elf nightblade envisaged by me as a drow assassin, but wouldn't touch either with my Imperial templar envisaged by me as a lawful good paladin. Beyond that kind of thing I am not a role-player where ESO is concerned but I do take that particular distinction seriously.

The major problem I have with the Imperial templar is that every time he does an event or new content he's at risk of getting partway through something and then having to stop because it involves stealing. When such things arise outside of the actual Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content there needs to be an alternative way of completing the task or quest.

All the story quests, heists, and sacraments are balanced around the player not having any boosts to sneaking. If anyone is having trouble the best thing I can offer is be patient and have a plan to escape one the timers come into play. Also equip some kind of speed boost ability or potion. Invisibility pots work as well.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I've completed the Thieves Guild and started the Dark Brotherhood on a dark elf nightblade envisaged by me as a drow assassin, but wouldn't touch either with my Imperial templar envisaged by me as a lawful good paladin. Beyond that kind of thing I am not a role-player where ESO is concerned but I do take that particular distinction seriously.

The major problem I have with the Imperial templar is that every time he does an event or new content he's at risk of getting partway through something and then having to stop because it involves stealing. When such things arise outside of the actual Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content there needs to be an alternative way of completing the task or quest.

Yeah, isn't there one quest in the middle of Greenshade main story that involves breaking into houses? I remember thinking "Man, that would kinda suck for anyone who's playing an honest character rather than a morally slippery Eye of the Queen."

Of course, the TES games do tend to force our main character's hands when it comes to morally questionable deeds. Daggerfall requires stealing a painting. Morrowind requires stealing a skull for a known necromancer, etc.

That will be a problem for my templar as he's on Cadwell's Silver at the moment and will be headed to Greenshade once he's finished Grahtwood.

Tandor wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I've completed the Thieves Guild and started the Dark Brotherhood on a dark elf nightblade envisaged by me as a drow assassin, but wouldn't touch either with my Imperial templar envisaged by me as a lawful good paladin. Beyond that kind of thing I am not a role-player where ESO is concerned but I do take that particular distinction seriously.

The major problem I have with the Imperial templar is that every time he does an event or new content he's at risk of getting partway through something and then having to stop because it involves stealing. When such things arise outside of the actual Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content there needs to be an alternative way of completing the task or quest.

Yeah, isn't there one quest in the middle of Greenshade main story that involves breaking into houses? I remember thinking "Man, that would kinda suck for anyone who's playing an honest character rather than a morally slippery Eye of the Queen."

Of course, the TES games do tend to force our main character's hands when it comes to morally questionable deeds. Daggerfall requires stealing a painting. Morrowind requires stealing a skull for a known necromancer, etc.

That will be a problem for my templar as he's on Cadwell's Silver at the moment and will be headed to Greenshade once he's finished Grahtwood.

I hope I'm misremembering because I did it all at once due to pre-One Tamriel questing. After double checking, I think I'm thinking of the quest "The Artisan", which happens in Marbruk, the first city in Greenshade. The quest requires breaking into a locked house while looking for evidence to catch a thief. Fortunately, its not part of the main zone story.

Tandor wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I've completed the Thieves Guild and started the Dark Brotherhood on a dark elf nightblade envisaged by me as a drow assassin, but wouldn't touch either with my Imperial templar envisaged by me as a lawful good paladin. Beyond that kind of thing I am not a role-player where ESO is concerned but I do take that particular distinction seriously.

The major problem I have with the Imperial templar is that every time he does an event or new content he's at risk of getting partway through something and then having to stop because it involves stealing. When such things arise outside of the actual Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood content there needs to be an alternative way of completing the task or quest.

Yeah, isn't there one quest in the middle of Greenshade main story that involves breaking into houses? I remember thinking "Man, that would kinda suck for anyone who's playing an honest character rather than a morally slippery Eye of the Queen."

Of course, the TES games do tend to force our main character's hands when it comes to morally questionable deeds. Daggerfall requires stealing a painting. Morrowind requires stealing a skull for a known necromancer, etc.

That will be a problem for my templar as he's on Cadwell's Silver at the moment and will be headed to Greenshade once he's finished Grahtwood.

Maybe take advice from a hero in a different universe? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And if you still feel remorse pay penance in some way. Just don't make a habit of sneaking into other's abodes.
I have one character that no matter the consequences told the truth when presented with the choice of that or a lie while doing all the quests. That is about as close to role playing as I get. I do have a Khajiit that is a bit racist and will only wear Khajiit crafted gear and doesn't allow anything but Khajiit furniture in his home (not counting a few basic items like buckets).

All you need is a stack of Invis Pots and you'll be fine.