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Should ESO make an option to turn off Mystery Meat/Mudballs, etc
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Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »
The lack of an option to say no doesn't make it not biased.
Even if people are able to guess what the third option is, since it isn't there your poll is literally tainted and therefore pointless. What are we polling if both options are "yes?"
At this point thread should be locked or make a new one with a disclaimer as to why it was made.3 -
Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Someone kept hitting me with mud because I got to a safebox before them. It was pretty childish. I'm not a fan of physical "jokes" anyway.
I find getting upset at someone throwing a fake digital mudball at your character in an online multiplayer environment to be equally as childish as the person getting upset over a safebox.5 -
Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭No randoms should not be able to pelt you with mudballs and I’m surprised this anti social, unfunny crap even made it into the game. Maybe if you’re friends with someone or if they’re in your group then it should be possible.
How is one of the only interactions in the whole game that lets your player char directly interact with another considered anti-social?
It's the most social of the mementos.
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get rid of the interactions entirely[removed by poster]Edited by SilverBride on November 28, 2020 3:59AMPCNA0 -
katanagirl1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)Mudballs should only be active during the event in my opinion. We expect them then, it’s fun for a while, but after the event it should stop. They are annoying, but I’ve had worse.
There is one player that hits me with some kind of squawky bird ball thing - I can’t see it but someone told me it craps on my player character’s head.
This player does it to all four of my toons in the crafting area when I am doing daily crafting writs or deconning gear whenever he/she is around.
I don’t know this player.
Why would such a thing even exist?
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Guyle✭✭✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »Mudballs should only be active during the event in my opinion. We expect them then, it’s fun for a while, but after the event it should stop. They are annoying, but I’ve had worse.
There is one player that hits me with some kind of squawky bird ball thing - I can’t see it but someone told me it craps on my player character’s head.
This player does it to all four of my toons in the crafting area when I am doing daily crafting writs or deconning gear whenever he/she is around.
I don’t know this player.
Why would such a thing even exist?
If you cant see it, why do you care?6 -
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✭✭✭✭Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)katanagirl1 wrote: »Mudballs should only be active during the event in my opinion. We expect them then, it’s fun for a while, but after the event it should stop. They are annoying, but I’ve had worse.
There is one player that hits me with some kind of squawky bird ball thing - I can’t see it but someone told me it craps on my player character’s head.
This player does it to all four of my toons in the crafting area when I am doing daily crafting writs or deconning gear whenever he/she is around.
I don’t know this player.
Why would such a thing even exist?
If you cant see it, why do you care?
My character acts like she’s spooked while I’m trying to do my writs, turn in my writs, or open my reward boxes.
Wouldn’t you be upset if other players could see this griefing happen to all of your toons?
Edited by katanagirl1 on November 28, 2020 5:46AMKhajiit Stamblade main
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »As long as the toggle doesn't prevent you from being mudballed, just prevents interact message from appearing or your character reacting to it. Reason being is that there are achievements tied to hitting people with mudballs and pies, and your settings shouldn't interrupt anyone else's gameplay. So thr setting makes it so the color change happens but the player doesn't get stunned into an animation where they shake off the mud either.
LOTRO players have no trouble getting the emote-related stuff-throwing achievements with a toggle available. There are always enough people who want to use the emotes and are therefore able to be affected by them.
In PVP the pie achievement would probably be impossible unless they made it so the toggle did not interfere. Your character changing color for a second has no impact on gameplay and should be a fair compromise.
Why are you assuming everyone would run with the toggle set to keep it from working, if all it does is change color and nobody's using mudballs in PvP to gain an advantage? Seems to me that PvP would be the perfect place to leave the toggle off, nobody is using suspicious meat to decimate the enemy. I think you are overestimating the number of people who would use such a toggle, and when. The main purpose of it is to prevent griefing or cheating, which is mainly a risk of overland PvE situations.
When I got my Empieror achievement it was through mutually having fun getting it, and you're right, all it does is change your color. So nobody would have any reason to block it, especially during that festival. But the second you step out of Cyrodiil you're subject to people using mudball to slow you down on the way to a treasure chest, so screw that noise. Again...the ONLY people this would negatively impact are the people who have an intent to harass or cheat. People who want to be playful will always be able to find others interested in the same thing.
People will do it to just to prevent others from getting Empieror off of them, they already send a ton of hate tells if they die, teabag, etc. It's an easy way to screw with an opponent. Don't see any reason to be opposed to a partial toggle that only prevented negative effects but not purely cosmetic ones. Changing red/blue/brown doesn't prevent any kind of interactions or inhibit your character in anyway. Shaking off the mudball does, it's CC. That's the real issue...Edited by spartaxoxo on November 28, 2020 8:16AM0 -
Guyle✭✭✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »katanagirl1 wrote: »Mudballs should only be active during the event in my opinion. We expect them then, it’s fun for a while, but after the event it should stop. They are annoying, but I’ve had worse.
There is one player that hits me with some kind of squawky bird ball thing - I can’t see it but someone told me it craps on my player character’s head.
This player does it to all four of my toons in the crafting area when I am doing daily crafting writs or deconning gear whenever he/she is around.
I don’t know this player.
Why would such a thing even exist?
If you cant see it, why do you care?
My character acts like she’s spooked while I’m trying to do my writs, turn in my writs, or open my reward boxes.
Wouldn’t you be upset if other players could see this griefing happen to all of your toons?
Spooked? I get cherry blossomed and mudballed by ppl I know all the time, and it has never interfered with doing my writs. And no, it wouldnt upset me if only other players could see it lol, it means that I don't have to pretend to ignore them.Edited by Guyle on November 28, 2020 9:21AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »scorpius2k1 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Now depending on where you are, you may not have to deal with this menace. But its a blight on our beautiful cities, rotton meat in front of every daily turn in, and quest giver, etc. Its a low-key form of harassment, and after repeated appeals to stop, the situation has only gotten worse.
They should also turn off all effects that players spam all over the place on my and others toons without us consenting. Something should also be done about those stinking healers and tanks using their skills to put unwanted visual effects on me while I am at the enclave for no good reason. We should also disallow players who buy mounts on the crown store and sit around showing them off too -- they should be invisible unless I want to see them. Then on top of that, some random person throws poopy looking mud balls at me, destroying my newly dyed outfit I put together. Blasphemy! 💩
If anything offends and annoys me, it should all be taken away or have an option to toggle.
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I get the annoyance 100%. It's happened to all of us... but seriously are we as gamers at a point now where this is really that big of an "issue" ? If something like a digital mudball altering the color of your toons pixels is truly that upsetting, idk what the solution is. It's an online multiplayer game, so change something like this and players will find something else to compensate. It's a moot point really, and personally, I doubt developers would end up using time on such petty little things as any sort of priority -- especially with the current rough state of ESO.
At the end of the day, if someone is ACTUALLY griefing (whether it's mudballs or somethinge else), then report them with evidence of it happening. After that, put them on ignore and take the matter into your own hands and just port out somewhere else. The likelihood of them knowing where you went to is slim-to-none and they can't do anything else to you. Simple. Personally, I don't care how many times I get mudballed, it just makes me laugh (as it was intended to do), especially the resulting player animations and sounds coming from my toon.
It's a video game.
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I love how people think reporting does anything, much less gets the behavior to stop.
Everyone would save time with a toggle and it would actually work.
It doesn't get the behavior to stop immediately. It does, however, put that player on ZOS' radar and make it so the next person who reports them is more likely to produce action against the harasser. If more people reported harassers, we'd see more action against them, probably hear about some of them, and that has an effect when people know that ZOS takes action on mudballing.
Another benefit to reporting you haven't considered: the more reports of harassers using mudballs and other interrupting emotes to harass, the more hard evidence the Devs have that this feature is actually necessary.
Don't act like reporting is a useless suggestion just because it doesn't solve your problem completely or immediately. Reporting harassers has benefits that you might not personally see. Doing nothing while you beg ZOS for your perfect solution, on the other hand, has one guaranteed result: ZOS definitely doesn't do anything to the people harassing with mudballs and other emotes.
By all means, keep asking ZOS for a toggle.
In the meantime, report the harassers.2 -
BomblePants✭✭✭✭✭
✭I find it hard to believe anyone (maybe apart from katanagirl1) would get continually mudballed....
This must surely happen once, possibly twice outside of the event at a push. I certainly haven’t been mudballed outside of the event and I’ve played continuously for years....
Also, it’s meant to be fun folks.... jeez....4 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BomblePants wrote: »I find it hard to believe anyone (maybe apart from katanagirl1) would get continually mudballed....
This must surely happen once, possibly twice outside of the event at a push. I certainly haven’t been mudballed outside of the event and I’ve played continuously for years....
Also, it’s meant to be fun folks.... jeez....
It happened to me once in Bal Foyen. Some dude was mudballing everyone around the crafting area. He mudballed me a couple times, so I mudballed him back and we had a mudslinging contest for about five minutes before I ran off to do something else.
Otherwise, I only mudball people when they take a node while I was fighting the mobs who guard it. I do it once, and they still get the node, but it gets the point across that I'm a real player and I think they're a jerk.8 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get rid of the interactions entirelyBomblePants wrote: »Also, it’s meant to be fun folks.... jeez....
Fun for who?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I stopped hanging out with a friend who would constantly hit me with mud and blossoms. It was irritating, like having a fly buzzing around your head, only I couldn't swat him away. Actually, eventually I did.PCNA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »BomblePants wrote: »Also, it’s meant to be fun folks.... jeez....
Fun for who?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I stopped hanging out with a friend who would constantly hit me with mud and blossoms. It was irritating, like having a fly buzzing around your head, only I couldn't swat him away. Actually, eventually I did.
I would have done the same. The only players I run with that have pelted players with mudballs did not do it day in and day out. They also grew out of using the moment altogether. If they had I would have removed them from the group.1 -
davidtk✭✭✭✭✭"interrupting emotes" mudball, cherry blossom or snow ball? C'mon...
But if you talking about interrupting things...
What really irritates me is AoE from skills spells.
Crazy freak running around while are you doing dance or playing intrument and BAM resto or some other idiotish support spell what interrupting you from doing stuff and stop that emote.
When you fly into a group of people doing something and use for example regeneration from resto staff than you interrupt emotes or if you use frost cloack or something similar out of combat that IS it's just as annoying as mudballs
When you run around like an freak and use it, you get mudball or snowball.
If I get mudball or snowball I can get over it and enjoy the fun because I can return it to him, instead of reporting to someone. Jesus, if you want to report someone for throwing mudball on you, i can report someone for using resto out of combat.
And sorry for my english
I think that i wrote it wrong.... long lasting and repeated endless mudballing or similar thing it can be described as harassment.
I encountered something like it, someone mudballing me and repeatedly inviting me to a duel, I wroted that i dont interested, then he wrote me "Nerd" and continued. Ok after few minutes i start mudballing him and for end it was fun... But do you think I should have reported him?Edited by davidtk on November 29, 2020 9:19AMReally sorry for my english2 -
BomblePants✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fun for everyone.... not continuously pelted..... but the odd pelt is just meant to be a giggle....
As you point out if someone is griefing then it’s no longer fun.
Also, I don’t think ‘friend’ means what you think it means....1 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)Let’s face it, any thought that these things are being used for fun is delusional.
I spent several years working with the victims of bullying and the consequences that come with it. What is a joke to one person is a crippling experience to another. There are many players in this game who are here because it allows them to escape pressures in the world that they can do nothing about. Items such as these mudballs cannot fail to be anything but a toxic influence.
I do not think they were introduced out of malice, but there is certainly a considerable amount of ignorance in their implementation.
These items in their current form are used for one reason and one reason alone, the same reason that the pie exists, it is to give bullies and those who get their jollies from harassment a tool to torment, pester, and intimidate other players.
These things should never have been put in the game but as they are then I would certainly be willing to pay whatever price the studio deems fit in order to be immune to them. For the love of God get rid of the stuff!6 -
badmojo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Keep it. It's fun to throw crows at pets that are blocking the writ turn in boxes.[DC/NA]5 -
scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »scorpius2k1 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Now depending on where you are, you may not have to deal with this menace. But its a blight on our beautiful cities, rotton meat in front of every daily turn in, and quest giver, etc. Its a low-key form of harassment, and after repeated appeals to stop, the situation has only gotten worse.
They should also turn off all effects that players spam all over the place on my and others toons without us consenting. Something should also be done about those stinking healers and tanks using their skills to put unwanted visual effects on me while I am at the enclave for no good reason. We should also disallow players who buy mounts on the crown store and sit around showing them off too -- they should be invisible unless I want to see them. Then on top of that, some random person throws poopy looking mud balls at me, destroying my newly dyed outfit I put together. Blasphemy! 💩
If anything offends and annoys me, it should all be taken away or have an option to toggle.
/s
I get the annoyance 100%. It's happened to all of us... but seriously are we as gamers at a point now where this is really that big of an "issue" ? If something like a digital mudball altering the color of your toons pixels is truly that upsetting, idk what the solution is. It's an online multiplayer game, so change something like this and players will find something else to compensate. It's a moot point really, and personally, I doubt developers would end up using time on such petty little things as any sort of priority -- especially with the current rough state of ESO.
At the end of the day, if someone is ACTUALLY griefing (whether it's mudballs or somethinge else), then report them with evidence of it happening. After that, put them on ignore and take the matter into your own hands and just port out somewhere else. The likelihood of them knowing where you went to is slim-to-none and they can't do anything else to you. Simple. Personally, I don't care how many times I get mudballed, it just makes me laugh (as it was intended to do), especially the resulting player animations and sounds coming from my toon.
It's a video game.
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I love how people think reporting does anything, much less gets the behavior to stop.
Everyone would save time with a toggle and it would actually work.
Did you miss the part that porting out has just the same effect, and is already in the game? I honestly don't see what the big deal is about being mudballed that they should change the game code to handicap it, but that's just my opinion as is yours and others here. They wont introduce anything like this anytime soon, guaranteed. Doing so would likely screw up something else in the games inner-workings. "Fix one thing, break many others". Do you really want that because "brown pixels"? Seems a bit backwards thinking tbh. I would put more weight on wanting them to fix ACTUAL problems in the game FIRST, then maybe evaluate QOL features that tailor more to everyone's personal feelings and opinions of what is "right" or "wrong" in ESO.
You can't always have your cake and eat it too.
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get rid of the interactions entirelyscorpius2k1 wrote: »Did you miss the part that porting out has just the same effect, and is already in the game.
So your "solution" is to stop what you are doing and leave rather than stop the harassment? No. I have the right to do what I want where I want and no other player has the right to run me off.PCNA4 -
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It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Deflecting doesn't change that.SilverBride wrote: »scorpius2k1 wrote: »It's a video game.
That excuse is used way too often by players who take pleasure in annoying others. Yes, it's a video game, and one I'd like to enjoy without some stranger using me as a target. You like to throw things that much? Go throw at your friends. But don't be surprised if they get fed up with it, too.
This topic has about as much merit as the complaints of NPC's burping too much. I highly doubt it is happening as often or to the extreme extents as it's being dramaticized in this post. Getting mudballed a few times in cities or other busy areas doesn't constitute harassment. Provide some proof if it is otherwise so! It would be much more widely reported and complained about here on the forums if it was truly an issue instead of a minority of players who just want the game to be tailored to their preference and feelings. I'm not saying people aren't aholes for doing it if they are just trying to be annoying, because they are...but If ESO isn't enjoyable because of getting "mudballed" I have no need to say anything further.
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✭Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Now depending on where you are, you may not have to deal with this menace. But its a blight on our beautiful cities, rotton meat in front of every daily turn in, and quest giver, etc. Its a low-key form of harassment, and after repeated appeals to stop, the situation has only gotten worse.
How convenient you left off the option to say no. Lol. Seems like a biased poll? (Memeing mainly, no worries. I know not being able to edit sucks.)
Also the correct answer is no.
Absolutely a biased topic.
Also, NO to the poll.🌎 PC/NA
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Get rid of the interactions entirelyscorpius2k1 wrote: »Getting mudballed a few times in cities or other busy areas doesn't constitute harassment.
Provide some proof if it is otherwise so!
Doing it repeatedly to stop someone from opening a safebox or chest does. Especially when they are sending you offensive whispers at the same time. And I will provide proof to ZoS when I file a complaint.PCNA3 -
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✭SilverBride wrote: »scorpius2k1 wrote: »Did you miss the part that porting out has just the same effect, and is already in the game.
So your "solution" is to stop what you are doing and leave rather than stop the harassment? No. I have the right to do what I want where I want and no other player has the right to run me off.
So your "solution" is the other person has no right to throw mudballs at you at all, a feature that is built into the game? The logic has to work both ways.
Idk, maybe an easier implementation would be a longer cooldown between mudball throws or just limit the amount that could be thrown at a person over a certain amount of time? A universal solution for both sides of the equation would be a bit wiser that a toggle that likely not many would know about, let alone new players who have no idea what a mudball is. I get the frustration and am not biased (unlike the poll), so a working solution for both sides should be thought out.
They could also remove it entirely. I really don't care either way tbh.
In the end, your anger is with ZOS here - so hopefully they will listen to your pleas Edited by scorpius2k1 on November 29, 2020 6:01PM🌎 PC/NA
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