Should ESO make an option to turn off Mystery Meat/Mudballs, etc

Hamfast

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Guyle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

I feel like issues like these, where someone's digital character is being pelted by a digital mudball that doesnt actually do anything, are being labeled as bullying, when for the most part it is just silly shenanigans.

This is exactly what I said is happening... justifying the questionable action. What you consider "silly shenigans" can be very irritating to someone else. And why are you engaging a stranger in your activity anyway?

Guyle wrote: »

In any case, my original point was, where does it stop?

It stops when the action stops. If someone tells you to knock it off, then knock it off.

I'm not justifying a questionable action at all, I am flat out stating that what you find as irritating, probably isn't meant to be irritating in the first place. I myself have thrown a few mudballs at complete strangers, not to annoy or harass them, but to be silly and playful. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I do actually find it truly surprising that some ppl get that upset by it. And I don't think I need to make a compelling argument that someone tossing a few mudballs around isn't in fact purposefully trying to annoy ppl, I would think the community at large accepts it as just that, a playful memento not meant to annoy or harass, but to be silly with. I understand it can be irritating to the few, but thats where my saying its your choice what you do with what the world presents you becomes important.

And you misunderstood my statement, when I asked where does it stop, I meant what is the point where ppl finally calm down and just exist without getting uppety about every little thing they can? Only after we have bled the life out of everything that can be fun, because a few ppl get upset by it? If you tell someone to stop, they should, if they persist, then you can call it harassment, if it is indeed pointedly directed at you. But you cant make the blanket statement that anyone who uses these mementos is a harasser, a malcontent, meant to annoy everyone around them, because thats just not true.

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO? I mean seriously, its a memento designed entirely for interacting with other players, there is no rule book that says you can only use it on ppl you know lol.

Howdy Guyle, I do not disagree with you, but I would point out that if I am annoyed by the antics of someone just trying to have fun (an excuse I have seen IRL, "We were just having a bit of fun") then I should be able to change a setting so that the annoying behavior is not displayed on my screen... you can still toss all the muballs at me you wish, I will just not see the effect of that action... I will not be affected by the effects, my game would be more enjoyable without diminishing your enjoyment... just like your choices should not diminish my play, my choices should not diminish yours...

SilverBride

Get rid of the interactions entirely

Guyle wrote: »

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO?

MMO is a game many people are playing at once. You are not required to interact with all of them just because they are playing the same game you are.

Think of it this way. Let's say you got a new paint ball gun in real life. You wouldn't go around shooting strangers with it. Not if you are smart, anyway. You would group up with friends and enjoy the activity with people you know.

There is a real person behind every character. Think about that before you force your idea of fun on someone you know nothing about.

Guyle

Hamfast wrote: »

Howdy Guyle, I do not disagree with you, but I would point out that if I am annoyed by the antics of someone just trying to have fun (an excuse I have seen IRL, "We were just having a bit of fun") then I should be able to change a setting so that the annoying behavior is not displayed on my screen... you can still toss all the muballs at me you wish, I will just not see the effect of that action... I will not be affected by the effects, my game would be more enjoyable without diminishing your enjoyment... just like your choices should not diminish my play, my choices should not diminish yours...

While in theory I would agree with the idea of having a toggle that works like that, the practicality of the matter is that I would really prefer ZOS spent more time working on fixing the game than the little qol for the minority things. Not to mention the fact that introduction of a toggle would probably result in its own world of bugs. I can empathize with ppl that get annoyed, I really can, there are plenty of things that annoy me too, I just dont think they are worth being brought up in the shadow of the gargantuan issues that already plague the game. Consider me the guy at the protest holding up the sign saying, NO! Fix the important stuff! lol

Ultimately, I suppose its all an exercise in futility, because the most attention this thread is going to get from the powers that be is mods checking for bashing or other violations.

I dunno, maybe in the future an addon will be able to accomplish this.

Guyle

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO?

MMO is a game many people are playing at once. You are not required to interact with all of them just because they are playing the same game you are.

Think of it this way. Let's say you got a new paint ball gun in real life. You wouldn't go around shooting strangers with it. Not if you are smart, anyway. You would group up with friends and enjoy the activity with people you know.

There is a real person behind every character. Think about that before you force your idea of fun on someone you know nothing about.

You aren't required to interact with other players in any extensive way, though other ppls mere existence and the consequences of that existence are things that you cannot avoid in an MMO. Even the ignore function doesn't stop a lot of things from happening that would qualify as interactions.

No, just no. If we are comparing someone using their digital character to throw a digital mudball at your digital character in an online video game, that has no consequences for your gameplay besides a momentary aesthetic change, to a real person using a real paint ball gun to shoot other real people, we aren't having the same conversation. This is more like, I am out for a walk, and some random stranger uses a laser pointer to make a red dot dance along my arm and I notice it happening. Not in the eyes, not up in my face threatening me with bodily harm, just a little red dot that shows up on my arm. I would be more confused by this, and would also find it kind of funny. I appreciate absurd humor.

I am not trying to force my idea of fun on anyone else, or saying that anyone else should force their idea of fun on anyone else. I'm just suggesting we save the torches and pitchforks for things that aren't trivial.

SilverBride

Get rid of the interactions entirely

Guyle wrote: »

there are plenty of things that annoy me too, I just dont think they are worth being brought up in the shadow of the gargantuan issues that already plague the game. Consider me the guy at the protest holding up the sign saying, NO! Fix the important stuff!

Quality of life changes are especially important when the game isn't performing as well as it should.

AliRay

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO?

MMO is a game many people are playing at once. You are not required to interact with all of them just because they are playing the same game you are.

Think of it this way. Let's say you got a new paint ball gun in real life. You wouldn't go around shooting strangers with it. Not if you are smart, anyway. You would group up with friends and enjoy the activity with people you know.

There is a real person behind every character. Think about that before you force your idea of fun on someone you know nothing about.

Uh, you've spent too long in quarantine if you think that shooting someone irl is the same thing or even anywhere near comparable to having pixels on your screen toss pixels towards pixels on another persons screen and assume they're going to get upset about it. Yeah there is a person behind it, but you don't know that they're going to be upset about it #1 and again, you can WALK AWAY from them. Port somewhere else, whatever. People are many things, mind readers and going to comply 100% off the bat with how you want to be treated based on the mood you're in, they are not.

AliRay

Also can I restate this is a video game?

idk

I still find it odd how some people seem to have been harassed numerous times with these mudballs yet I can only remember one time someone kept pelting me with them and it was someone I knew and they did it only one day. Even being pelted by a single mudball has been rare outside of the respective event.

I am not denying anyone's claim. I just wonder why they are so often a target of something I have so rarely seen.

Regardless, there have been some good ideas presented in this thread to curb these rare occurrences of mudball mayhem that fall short of making the moment useless and as such are probably much more likely to be considered by Zos if they feel something should be done.

Sylvermynx

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Unfortunately there is an animation that plays when you get hit by a mudball. Your character stops, and gestures as though wiping off the mud. It is annoying enough during the festival when people are working on event quests/achievements. It is annoying enough to be harassment when it is done continuously at a crafting or outfit station.

You actually can keep moving and doing whatever you were doing while your character does said animation it doesn't prevent movement.

Truth.

Guyle

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

there are plenty of things that annoy me too, I just dont think they are worth being brought up in the shadow of the gargantuan issues that already plague the game. Consider me the guy at the protest holding up the sign saying, NO! Fix the important stuff!

Quality of life changes are especially important when the game isn't performing as well as it should.

They are, and should be made. But they should be improvements that affect more than 5 people.

SilverBride

Get rid of the interactions entirely

AliRay wrote: »

Yeah there is a person behind it, but you don't know that they're going to be upset about it

All the more reason not to do it.

AliRay wrote: »

you can WALK AWAY from them. Port somewhere else, whatever.

I will say this again... NO. I will not be run off by someone being a jerk. I will tell them to stop and if they don't I will report them.

cynicalbutterfly

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Most of the time I just ignore the random person pelting mudballs. But for those that are being harassed with it, an option to turn it off would be a good thing. Only amusing for the thrower in the end anyway. Although another option would be to remove the interrupting action on the momentos. You'd still get covered in mud but you wouldn't be stopped in your tracks by it.

katanagirl1

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

AliRay wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO?

MMO is a game many people are playing at once. You are not required to interact with all of them just because they are playing the same game you are.

Think of it this way. Let's say you got a new paint ball gun in real life. You wouldn't go around shooting strangers with it. Not if you are smart, anyway. You would group up with friends and enjoy the activity with people you know.

There is a real person behind every character. Think about that before you force your idea of fun on someone you know nothing about.

Uh, you've spent too long in quarantine if you think that shooting someone irl is the same thing or even anywhere near comparable to having pixels on your screen toss pixels towards pixels on another persons screen and assume they're going to get upset about it. Yeah there is a person behind it, but you don't know that they're going to be upset about it #1 and again, you can WALK AWAY from them. Port somewhere else, whatever. People are many things, mind readers and going to comply 100% off the bat with how you want to be treated based on the mood you're in, they are not.

As someone said before, why do I have to leave when I’m minding my own business? I grab the crafting writs, do them and turn them in. I do this on four toons. I come to the same convenient area to decon, spending maybe 2 whole minutes there at a time. I should add more loading screens?

You keep going back to mudballs, but I get the bird crapped on me thing, which is far worse in my opinion. What is it anyway. I don’t see any mementos either collected or uncollected that I have that do that.

Now in the game every time I hear a crow I cringe, expecting to be hit with something.

ZaroktheImmortal

[snip]

I had someone throw a mudball at me in Summerset actually on two occasions so I threw one back soon we got into a mudball throwing competition until they conceded and I was all \o/

One of them also didn't have don't harm innocents on so I was able to hide behind guards and watch them chase the person after the mudball hit said guard...fun times.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

PizzaCat82

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

[snip]

I had someone throw a mudball at me in Summerset actually on two occasions so I threw one back soon we got into a mudball throwing competition until they conceded and I was all \o/

One of them also didn't have don't harm innocents on so I was able to hide behind guards and watch them chase the person after the mudball hit said guard...fun times.

Not everyone has has your experience nor your mindset on the situation. Perhaps if you used "Empathy" you would understand that while you can't relate to these people getting upset, you can acknowledge that it happens and that the game might be better off if SOME people had the option to turn off things that make them upset in a game designed to escape from their every day lives.

I'm not here to attack anyone. I'm just trying to suggest things.

SilverBride

Get rid of the interactions entirely

Some things are inappropriate to do to strangers. If you toss mud at a random character you are affecting the real person playing that character.

But we aren't referring to getting hit by a random mud ball occasionally. It's the ones who repeatedly pelt you in an effort to harass that we'd like a toggle against.

Veinblood1965

other: no change.

LalMirchi

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Why not let it be a toggle like Duel? Thus those who like the activity can participate. In my opinion this would be preferable to removing the interaction completely.

majulook

Leave as is.

idk

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

other: no change.

True. The poll has a clear bias and disregard for anyone who feels differently.

Woeler

Help I cannot deal with other human beings in an MMO.

erio

How about zos focuses on other.... more important issues (:

erio

Why are we making this into an issue. Its clearly not

SickleCider

Oh, I guess. As long as I can still pelt my friends with impunity. 😇

Thannazzar

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Mudballs should be locked down to the event they are required for and the locations within that event.

LalMirchi

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Thannazzar wrote: »

Mudballs should be locked down to the event they are required for and the locations within that event.

100% agree and would add that a option like disabling duelling should be an option for these interactions as well.

Kaartinen

Other: No change

PizzaCat82

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

If you don't like the poll options, you are all more than welcome to make a new one. I'm not stopping anyone.

spartaxoxo

Give players an option to Turn off PVE interactions with other players (No picking up or even seeing meats, or getting hit with balls, etc)

Hamfast wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Guyle wrote: »

I feel like issues like these, where someone's digital character is being pelted by a digital mudball that doesnt actually do anything, are being labeled as bullying, when for the most part it is just silly shenanigans.

This is exactly what I said is happening... justifying the questionable action. What you consider "silly shenigans" can be very irritating to someone else. And why are you engaging a stranger in your activity anyway?

Guyle wrote: »

In any case, my original point was, where does it stop?

It stops when the action stops. If someone tells you to knock it off, then knock it off.

I'm not justifying a questionable action at all, I am flat out stating that what you find as irritating, probably isn't meant to be irritating in the first place. I myself have thrown a few mudballs at complete strangers, not to annoy or harass them, but to be silly and playful. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I do actually find it truly surprising that some ppl get that upset by it. And I don't think I need to make a compelling argument that someone tossing a few mudballs around isn't in fact purposefully trying to annoy ppl, I would think the community at large accepts it as just that, a playful memento not meant to annoy or harass, but to be silly with. I understand it can be irritating to the few, but thats where my saying its your choice what you do with what the world presents you becomes important.

And you misunderstood my statement, when I asked where does it stop, I meant what is the point where ppl finally calm down and just exist without getting uppety about every little thing they can? Only after we have bled the life out of everything that can be fun, because a few ppl get upset by it? If you tell someone to stop, they should, if they persist, then you can call it harassment, if it is indeed pointedly directed at you. But you cant make the blanket statement that anyone who uses these mementos is a harasser, a malcontent, meant to annoy everyone around them, because thats just not true.

And why are ppl engaging strangers in an activity? I dunno, maybe cuz its an MMO? I mean seriously, its a memento designed entirely for interacting with other players, there is no rule book that says you can only use it on ppl you know lol.

Howdy Guyle, I do not disagree with you, but I would point out that if I am annoyed by the antics of someone just trying to have fun (an excuse I have seen IRL, "We were just having a bit of fun") then I should be able to change a setting so that the annoying behavior is not displayed on my screen... you can still toss all the muballs at me you wish, I will just not see the effect of that action... I will not be affected by the effects, my game would be more enjoyable without diminishing your enjoyment... just like your choices should not diminish my play, my choices should not diminish yours...

Absolutely. I agree 1000%.

I don't see why this is even controversial. I like tossing mudballs at strangers mostly to try to get into a random mudball fight. It can be fun especially with numerous people. But if someone doesn't engage after a couple of balls, I move on to someone who will. I'm not trying to be annoying, just trying to have a little fun with randoms because it's an MMO.

I don't see why a toggle that behaved this way and counted towards achievements would in anyway hurt anything. If someone doesn't want to be mudballed, they don't want to be mudballed. It's not a big deal.

idk

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If you don't like the poll options, you are all more than welcome to make a new one. I'm not stopping anyone.

It is not about liking the poll's options. We are merely pointing out the obvious fact that the poll is not designed or intended to get information from both sides. Whether intentional or accidental it is very much biased, and worthless to Zos, as it forces players to choose between one drastic revision or another and ignores everything else.

The fact that only 109 players have chosen to vote for either significant revision is the part that is very telling. It demonstrates just how small this issue really is that so few players are willing to vote for either extreme option.