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Game full of Bots... and Zos lack of action...
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Colbane✭✭Etchesketch wrote: »Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
This is the problem. A very good percentage of young/new players will feel the same way and the community will decline, not increase. Game over.
I'm an old guy and I'll be with them if this isn't fixed before my free time runs out. I have a 3 month subscription ready, but if it isn't fixed, I won't be back.1 -
Etchesketch✭✭✭✭Kyotee0071 wrote: »Etchesketch wrote: »Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
This is the problem. A very good percentage of young/new players will feel the same way and the community will decline, not increase. Game over.
I'm not certain what the "young/new" comment implies. I'm 43, been playing MMORPGS for 15 years straight for entertainment. I have canceled my sub. I plan to keep playing until my time runs out. But being a successful business owner, sometimes the only way to get a companies attention is in their wallet.
If the game get's better, I'll immediately resub and not miss a second of playtime. If not, There are other options. I am hoping this game gets better though as I really see the potential here. But without decent customer support it is hard for anything thing subscription based to thrive.
I am kind of in the same boat as you, I canceled and will check the forums and see if the game gets any better.
New/Young means players new to the game, not age. They are what makes a game succeed or not. The end game players are just not enough to keep a game viable. In fact, they usually play a part in the destruction of the game.
New players must have basically a perfect game to log into and just have fun. This bot thing is a killer. New players will not want to subscribe to a game if it's this bad.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.3 -
Kyotee0071✭✭✭Etchesketch wrote: »Kyotee0071 wrote: »Etchesketch wrote: »Bots are a big problem. Don't take any action and I'll just cancel my sub after 30 days. No big deal to me. There are plenty of games I can spend my money on.
This is the problem. A very good percentage of young/new players will feel the same way and the community will decline, not increase. Game over.
I'm not certain what the "young/new" comment implies. I'm 43, been playing MMORPGS for 15 years straight for entertainment. I have canceled my sub. I plan to keep playing until my time runs out. But being a successful business owner, sometimes the only way to get a companies attention is in their wallet.
If the game get's better, I'll immediately resub and not miss a second of playtime. If not, There are other options. I am hoping this game gets better though as I really see the potential here. But without decent customer support it is hard for anything thing subscription based to thrive.
I am kind of in the same boat as you, I canceled and will check the forums and see if the game gets any better.
New/Young means players new to the game, not age. They are what makes a game succeed or not. The end game players are just not enough to keep a game viable. In fact, they usually play a part in the destruction of the game.
New players must have basically a perfect game to log into and just have fun. This bot thing is a killer. New players will not want to subscribe to a game if it's this bad.
Understood and Agree.I didn't think my hangover was that bad this morning until I spent 10 minutes trying to log into my old Etch-A-Sketch3 -
Hakuichi✭✭✭What you all do not understand,
if they went on a banning spree, they would not be able to work anymore on the detection side of the house. Honestly, if you want the bots gone, shut up and wait. To get rid of a bot problem you don't ban, you develop detection and test. Once it is hitting its mark you turn it on and it bans. There is no way eso could individually ban every bot, they know this, i know this, you may be too dumb to know this.
Kids...Edited by Hakuichi on April 23, 2014 2:32AM1 -
Glog✭✭Botting is really bad now. Im seeing "snake trail" run of bots outside dungeons now, in the low level questing zones. 5-6 bots will run a snake run through a obvious circle pattern killing anything in their path. Saw 15 bots farming the Hallow public dungeon. I mean, so lol its depressing. =/0
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Anoteros✭✭✭✭Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.
yes lets ignore the impact this has on the actual progression of leveling to level 50 which is what 80% of people will base their first impressions on.
thanks but no thanks. Done with this garbage.
3 week on and not a peep from ZOS or a *** patch.
But that's ok, I guess Craglorn will drown out all the sub cancellations right?0 -
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It's breaking my game.Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.
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Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »It isn't even a game breaking thing, you hardly see any bots in the later areas, if they are farming common soul gems and below par blues, whoopee freakng do.
yes lets ignore the impact this has on the actual progression of leveling to level 50 which is what 80% of people will base their first impressions on.
thanks but no thanks. Done with this garbage.
3 week on and not a peep from ZOS or a *** patch.
But that's ok, I guess Craglorn will drown out all the sub cancellations right?
Dinged 50 in 6 days, 12 hours played... and no... I didn't see a single bot... maybe they showed up after I left the area, maybe I was very lucky, or maybe people are using any excuse to whine about the game that isn't exactly what they thought it would be
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...2 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Ban inter account gold transfers and then there is no way to deliver gold to customers. Problem solved.1
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steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Ban inter account gold transfers and then there is no way to deliver gold to customers. Problem solved.
Oh there is... customer puts up a 1 low level item on the guildbank for the money he's owed... gold seller buys said item.... very very simple really... that's how it worked on WoW I've been told.
The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Ban inter account gold transfers and then there is no way to deliver gold to customers. Problem solved.
Oh there is... customer puts up a 1 low level item on the guildbank for the money he's owed... gold seller buys said item.... very very simple really... that's how it worked on WoW I've been told.
I guess you're right. I'm fast losing patience with this game. They better do something quick or i'm gone.
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Guldendraak✭✭Just saw 20 odd bots all standing around the boss spawn in Inner Sea Armature... Plus some who seemed to be running from the boss, back to the entrance, zoning out, and running back to the boss and repeating over and over.
All I wanted was to tap the boss so I can get my achievement and move on.. Took me 15 minutes of the boss re-spawning til I got it.
Are bots game breaking? No.. But I'm starting to hate the idea of doing the public dungeons as I never know how long I'll be stuck in there trying to get the achievement.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭I hate the bots and I recognize it is a real problem that should be dealt with in the most severe fashion available. But how do people manage to not get a hit on the boss? Ive been in plenty of dungeons, with plenty of bots, Ive never had an issue getting a few hits on it before its done. Im also playing from Australia, the land of lag, and Im 35 years old, its not my reaction time is at its peak anymore. Is everyone else that plays this game that slow, really?0 -
Guldendraak✭✭I hate the bots and I recognize it is a real problem that should be dealt with in the most severe fashion available. But how do people manage to not get a hit on the boss? Ive been in plenty of dungeons, with plenty of bots, Ive never had an issue getting a few hits on it before its done. Im also playing from Australia, the land of lag, and Im 35 years old, its not my reaction time is at its peak anymore. Is everyone else that plays this game that slow, really?
LOL.. I'm a tad older than yourself so my reaction time isn't as fast either ;p
The problem was a combination of my speed to react (boss pops > I'd better cast something to hit him> casting and it hitting in time to register that I did damage), and having 20 bots automatically targeting him all at once - and their reaction time is much faster than mine - their combined dps was enough that they only got 1 shot at him too and some of them were probably missing out too.
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Evandus✭✭✭✭I noticed today that there are groups of bots partied together in DC right in front of Lion's Guard Redoubt. One level 18, and 3 level 10-16's farming the zombie mob spawns in that area. The zombies respawn very quickly, so it's considered to be a high payout area for speed leveling.
I've reported I believe about 5 different groups. 20 characters total doing this. They are definitely bots, as I've gotten used to spotting them thanks to high numbers of them in this game.
So, the people paying these gold spammers to level them are definitely getting business.1 -
neocomab16_ESO✭✭✭
bots probably have a hard time with that bugged final story quest. Funny isnt it? A quest bug that prevents bots from progressing
Access to veteran zones isnt as easy as you make it sound.
If it was, veteran zones would be full of bots, and trust me they arent.
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Skellan✭I was hoping i finally out leveled the bots, got to cold habour and went to my first public dungeon and got to the boss .. what do i see a group of 5 bots porting below the floor when the boss spawns and killing it with in seconds. Was a sad sight to see and had to wonder how they got to lvl 44 with out a ban. Slowly but surely they are coming for vet content.
A GM would not solve this issues, but it would be a start. It would show us the customer that they are doing something about this issue. All the behind the scene fixes that they are most likely doing, is not something we see and that means it is not something we can put faith in.1 -
Balael✭✭✭Really would be nice to see a staff response about what they are actually doing, because certainly at face value an in-game GM seems like it would go a long way to address this problem.1
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✭✭✭✭✭I am sure they are painfully aware of this and how much it is ticking off players. Would be nice if they just told us that they realise how serious it has become and how it seems to be increasing at an alarming rate and that they really do plan to do whatever it takes to deal with it. It feels totally out of control right now and though they may be taking action it doesn't feel like it is having any impact.Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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Kyosji✭✭✭It IS simply done. I've done it myself in Ragnarok online, I was a bot-baning GM and I did my job pretty danm right. You just walk into the dungeon and whisper to the bot "Mr askjdalksdjasdk -typical name of the bots- I'm from the Staff, please answer to me or your account might get baned." "I just saw you killing that boss, I know you are there, please asnwer to me." *keeps talking to him for 5 minutes in different chats*. After 5 minutes of no answer, you ban him and take screenshot for when the bot owner comes to complain to the forums. If you want to avoid people arguing that they were not paying attention to the chat window, you just teleport the player to somewhere else and keep talking to him until you got the proof he's a bot. Done. It's as simple as that. One person could do the job. I could do the job. It's really the easiest thing in the world. ZOS is not taking measures at all.
Not nearly as easy to do in this game when we have add-ons flooding our chat box with battle data and the such. I have standard zone and yell disabled because besides the spam, it makes it hard to read the damage I'm dealing and taking and the items I have. A standard GM will do a lot more than just send tells and whispers to you. Thats the reason they ban bots in waves, not one at a time. They need undeniable proof through logs and data to see if a bot is actually a bot.
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✭Firstly, having leveled from early access I had not seen the Bots everyone was talking about. I have seen legit Farmers in the Public dungeons (which I see no problem with) camping the boss for Crafting Mats.
So a few days ago I logged onto a low level to take a look not expecting to see much.
I was wrong, the sheer number of Bots running around Dungeons was gob smacking (they are easy to spot by their movements) I went to a few of the Dungeons on DC low level and they were all the same. Then on my journey back to Daggerfall I found a train (only way to describe it) running through the wilds killing mobs. I did my best to distract them and split them up. This can be done by bring a mob running into the back of them, this splits the pack creating a distance between them. I found that by doing this enough times you can isolate one to playing solo, this it would appears results in death as the single attack move they use runs out sometimes before a mobs HP and they die quickly after
This is a major issue, as these areas are what anyone new first see's of the game. It's not a good impression
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno are you happy with the impression this is giving to new players? If not could you please let the community know, we understand that you do not want to go into specifics for what you are going to do about these, but your paying customers are concerned and need reassurance that you can deal with this issue which is frankly unbelievable currently.1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭The people who are saying that the bot problem is "not that bad" or "nonexistent" remind me of the people who claim the Holocaust never happened, despite overwhelming photographic evidence and eye-witness testimony.
"I didn't experience it myself, so it must not have happened."Edited by crush83 on April 23, 2014 1:04PM0 -
ZOS_JessicaFolsomCommunity ManagerHey folks,
As Matt mentioned in the recent State of the Game Address, we're actively combating the botters and gold sellers. We've said this before, but it bears repeating: We do bans constantly every day, and are working on other methods along with those bans. We view this as our #1 issue right now and are fully dedicated to it.6 -
7 pages of rage and counter rage seems to be whats necessary to get an admin to respond...
Thank you for your response Jessica and hope you guys fix this soon for the sake of the game and ZOS. No one (I think)wants to see them fail and this turn f2p.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thanks for the response. Also please ban (at least for a bit) anyone you find buying gold (if you can). This botting plague wouldn't exist if someone somewhere wasn't buying from them. Is it possible to set a limit on the amount of gold that can be sent in a mail transaction at all? I know that may impact the legitimate economy but there is surely a normal limit that people pay for a genuine sale of an in game item and anything above that could be considered dubious? I don't know how much gold exchanges hands when someone buys but is it enough to raise suspicions if it is sent in the mail?Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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It was a good that Matt posted something and gave us some idea where you're heading but looking at the issue of player perceptions and why you're getting deluged with "ZOS aren't doing anything" posts:ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hey folks,
As Matt mentioned in the recent State of the Game Address, we're actively combating the botters and gold sellers. We've said this before, but it bears repeating: We do bans constantly every day, and are working on other methods along with those bans. We view this as our #1 issue right now and are fully dedicated to it.
1) While you say you're banning every day and I'm happy to believe you are, it's making NO IMPACT on the problem, if anything the botting is simply getting worse and worse, with trains of bots now hoovering up trash in dungeons whereas at the beginning it was only the bosses
2) ZOS aren't saying WHAT's being done.
Asserting it's your #1 priority doesn't actually lead to credibility, while an 'on the ground' situation getting noticeably worse is losing credibility in huge chunks.
I love ESO, my 6-month subs (2) will activate and in spite of being one of the 'innocents' last week I still believe your integrity but the fundamental situation right now is that bots are totally out of control the plague is getting worse .. Hell, there are now bot trains in the open world brazenly farming level 8s in Auridon to mention just one place .. and ZOS isn't providing anything concrete to offer us hope you have an idea how to deal with it.
No, of course I'm not demanding to know WHAT you're doing in any details that will help the botters but unless you start being more open then I don't see how you expect to improve the seriously damaged relationship you have with many, and not just with the 'haters' who of course will never be convinced.
Edited by KerinKor on April 23, 2014 1:37PM0 -
Oberon✭✭✭✭- Just make the public dungeon bosses not drop any loot whatsoever and that will end the existence of bots at those locations.
- Regular players can then get their public dungeon completions and not be faced with bots at Every. Single. Public. Dungeon. Boss.
Edited by Oberon on April 23, 2014 1:39PM1 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭Just come from Bleakrock.
There were four Tele-bots in my sight at the same time. All with these funny names like fksge and such.
The one that caught my attention was the one called Moneyking...yes, it is true. That one was teleporting faster that all the others from node to node.
These hackers now openly ridicule the game-makers and the players.1
