omegatay_ESO wrote: »

Unless zos rewrites the engine, I doubt we will ever see buttery smooth performance. The engine is unable to, or can't use more than one cpu core efficiently.

On my machine it pretty much maxes four cores so it's doing something with them 8)

This game will die, but not as soon as people think.
For the moment their is no direct concurrent that are worth anything.
That why FF - WoW - GW2 and ESO keep their community, they're 4 unique game style.

But as soon as good mmorpg will come, they'll die because how old they are.
And they know it, why do you thing all these mmorpg sell so many different thing in CS ?
Why do you thing they try to improve the game so badly even if keep failing because the core is to old ?

So, yeah, it only depend on which type of mmorpg are gonna be released on the market and how good they are.
Sadly most announced mmo are just going to fail.
New world in the 1st place.

To me, for my own taste, only Pantheon have a chance if they succeed but it's not at all for soon.

Jaraal wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Inaya1 wrote: »

I think Teso will die closer to 2022.

No offense but people have been claiming ESO was dying for almost seven years yet the population keeps growing.

Yes, it's grown from an average of 28,000 players on Steam in April to under 18,000 today.

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Play on console. I see players everywhere whenever I log in. Even in the middle of a week day.

Ok so I haven't read this whole thread, but I don't understand why ZOS doesn't take que from GW? Their PvP was on a completely separate server. All skills and sets were unlocked, plus they had some PvP only skills that were only available on that specific server. It kept both the PVE and the PvP servers smoothly.

Domander wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Your business treats customers in a way that is going to end this game, bugs, crown store, bugs, not making things right, unable to balance.

Remember when we had many campaigns and they were full.

Well.... if pvp is the only thing you enjoy, yes that's a real problem. This isn't a marvelous game for pvp (or at least, it isn't now, according to friends who only pvp; doesn't include me as I only pve, but yeah, I have heard them for years now) - so that seems to mean you and others in similar situations are going to be very disappointed going forward.

The bottom line problem is that ESO can't seem to manage pvp and pve separately. And THAT is an issue for everyone.

You have made quite the assumption. I was trying to emphasize how much population this game has lost. Wanna PvE?

PvE in this game is either so easy as to not be fun or relies on mechanics that are unique tp the fight and sometimes (often imo) not much fun.

yeah, problem.

When we had vet zones, pve was fun.

Fun ... is completely subjective

I keep hearing PvE is no fun because its too easy ... For That Person maybe its not fun. However, PvE has Story. PvE has Content. PvE has Lore. PvE is More than just whacking the bad guys.

And for a lot of players, this makes PvE Fun, even when whacking the mobs and bosses is "Easy".

IMHO

Jaraal wrote: »

I'm still waiting to learn how Steam players differ from non-Steam PC players or console players. What if the chart was login data for Playstation only? Could there be a drop in PS players, but an increase in X Box players? Why do people think Steam players have different reactions, values, or interests than people who play on different platforms?

Lysette wrote: »

I just recently started a new character and all I can say from going again through newbie regions is, they are quite packed with players (not necessarily new ones though) - as well the chapter regions like Morrowind and Elsweyr - quite crowded in quest areas. The game is in a good state user-wise - at least as far as overland content is concerned.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Play on console. I see players everywhere whenever I log in. Even in the middle of a week day.

I suppose it's not common knowledge, but the game runs multiple instances of the same zone at any given time. There could be 10 Craglorns running with 100 players each, for a total of 1,000 players, or there could be 2 Craglorns running with 100 players each. Or one Craglorn with 100 players, and one Craglorn with 10 players. The game could appear packed and busy to one player, but dead to another. So the number of players in view at any given time is not a good indicator of overall game health.

Check through the forums. You will see threads warning people not to purchase the game through Steam because of Steam specific problems. You will see threads about working around launching the game through Steam if it was purchased through Steam.
I personally do not see any population decrease for most of the game. There is a drop in full time PvP'rs but the PvE zones seem well populated to me. I started a new account so I could play the game again from the beginning in the same order I did with my first character long long ago. Unless it is a solo instance I see other players all over the place obviously on the same quest I am on. It is rare to go into a delve and not see another player. There are still plenty of players around to sneak in and grab a resource node while you are dealing with near-by mobs.
I've no idea if the population has grown or gotten smaller because there is no way to know how many instances are happening at any one time. I do know I'm seeing plenty of players almost anywhere I go.

I must say right away that I don't think the game is dying or something like that. Players come and go, it's okay.
The main problem with the game is that it cannot cope with player overlaps. For example, the complete impossibility of playing, when they give free eso plus, while those who are like me, who pay for the subscription, this time of hell is not compensated in any way.

There are a huge number of other "features" of the game, but this is more my personal opinion.
1. A terrible class system.
It is especially acute for new players, in particular for those who are used to playing the Warrior archetype.
Over the past few years, I have seen more than once how newbies recreate a bunch of characters, and not who even leave the game, not finding the seemingly most familiar.
The whole idea with two kinds of manna is not bad and interesting, but the fact that in the end the Sorcerer will be the closest to this archetype is just an epic moment.
The main problem here is in the class descriptions when creating a character.

2. Bug and basic mechanics.
The main mechanics of DD with interrupting the animation of a light attack with a skill - it's a bug, how not to look at it and in any game it would have been fixed long ago, but here it is the basis of the mechanics.

3. Legal gold selling.
The legal purchase of items from the Crown Store with gold is actually a gold selling. And this is in the game where a lot of this very gold can and should be bought.
It also has a negative impact on bribery for real money. After playing for a couple of months, any player realizes that it is easier to earn 2 million gold than to buy an add-on for real money. Well, I won't tell you about where the sellers of the crown came from.

4. Always up-to-date equipment.
It's even a little funny when your items remain relevant for several years and the only reason to change them is to change the balance of the game.

5. Equipment for the entire account.
This, too, does not in any way push you to go and receive things in group content, because it is enough just to transfer all the equipment through the bank. And with the new system, in a few months, or even earlier, the need for at least somewhere for equipment disappears. As a result, only those who have just come into the game and those who have not closed achievements will be floundering in trials.

6. DPS decides everything
We will not touch upon veteran trials and no die achievements, but in group dungeons, everything is decided by dps. If there is enough dps, then both the hill and the tank are not needed. Well, DLC dungeons need one person. What mechanics can there be if in NoDLC dungeons everything is simply killed in seconds.

7. Are trials easier than dungeons?
According to the canon of mmo, there is a clear gradation of the complexity of the content.
First, regular dungeons, then dungeons with an increased level of difficulty, then regular raids, then raids with an increased level of difficulty. And then there are mega difficult difficulty levels.
This is not the case at ESO. It's easier and faster to get things from normal trials than from DLC dungeons, there are even times when I think Selena's Web is more difficult than nCR or nHRC.

8. All in a heap.
I faced this when I returned to the game after 6 years of hiatus.
Firstly, now you start in the very last location, and this is quite difficult, because the quests here are already designed for players with experience.
Secondly, if you found a guide about the sequence, then getting into the first zone of the alliance will be a living hell.
A bunch of quests that lead you to all directions of the world, where to run, what to do is not clear.
Thirdly, the plot simply breaks down. You need to have a titanic endurance to skip the prologues, but if you don't, then you have colossal incidents in the plot. You left Lyris in the cold harbor, it doesn't matter, she stands and gives you a quest.
And if you just took the prologues, but are doing them in order to follow the plot, be prepared that your quest line will stall.
When creating a new character, I just want to have a tick, I want to follow the plot of the game.

9. Equipment decides.
Equipment is especially felt when the character switches to hero points and enters the battlefields.

10. If the fear of pay is stuck in textures.
It's even funny. First, to execute the stack command, you must exit the battle. And secondly, pay as for a teleport.

11. Racial bonuses.
Yes, yes, I am aware that there is supposedly not a strong increase, but the difference between the Imperial mage and the High Elf mage will be very significant. But the empire had enough magicians.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

But that is totally normal and not necessarily a sign of doom - when do people have a lot of time to play and are able to put in the hours to play competitive and be successful?- Basically when they are in school or study - and that is as well the time, where they have the reflexes required for that. But this phase in their life doesn't last for long - they graduate or they might even start a serious relationship - and their focus is shifting, their time is put onto more important things in life - and so they are gone after some years of playing - this is just life and it will happen in a pretty similar way to any of you younger competitive players - life, love, career and different interests will get the hold on you as well - and then you are gone just the same - that's just life.

And some of us retire and then get to play all day.... I discovered computers in 1984 and CRPGs in 1985 - but until I was all done working, I didn't actually play much because I tend to be obsessive about games. I "retired" three different times, and during those "not working" times, I played whatever was available, until I would go back to work for whatever reason.

About the only regret of my entire life is that I wasn't able to have computers in my very young years - because if I had had them when I was late teens/early 20s, I would have definitely gone to work in the industry somehow! However, I was in my late 30s when I got my first computer. But hey, I managed to teach myself html, php, and css, and then built a small business designing and managing websites for clients.

I love my machines. And my games.

Love this message!

I am nearing retirement myself and have played fantasy-based games my whole life. First with D&D as a tween, then on to computer games as I got older.

I've played TES Universe games since they came out, and TES5 Skyrim for nine years solid. That community is still running strong with mods, but I finally had enough.

ESO is my first MMO, and probably the only one I will play due to the lore.

I've only been playing ESO for roughly six months. I love the lore and voice acting but, sadly, I am getting a quickly-growing distaste in my mouth for what the developers are doing to the game in regards to breaking more than they fix, one-sided communication, cringe-worthy anticipation of upcoming hot fixes/maintenance/dlcs/etc.

It's a very limited experience for sure, but it is my experience. Based on what I've seen in my short stay here, I personally will be gone when the next TES solo game comes out, or something similar in a fantasy RPG vein.

idk wrote: »

Inaya1 wrote: »

I think Teso will die closer to 2022.

No offense but people have been claiming ESO was dying for almost seven years yet the population keeps growing.

where are said people?

Units sold does not equate to population growth.

My guild has 87 players that have not been on since 2016. To 2018.

The game will die and people will still play because there is no where else to go.

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Inaya1 wrote: »

I think Teso will die closer to 2022. All my friends have left the game, I can't go to raids and pvp because of just such a nasty optimization that I can't describe in words (PC EU). The support does nothing when trying to communicate with them, the quests are boring and made for children (Oh yes, the rating is 18+, but I don't see any blood here, no drinking alcoholics at every turn, the cruelty of NPCs, and of course nudity (THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL WHAT TO WATCH THAT ?!) Well, really, a game for kids rated 18+ It's funny.

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Nothing will help this game, some have already shown their true colors, they dont listening players. That's all, I have nothing more to say.

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[Edit for Bait.]

If you need to watch some nudity, there are a lot of other games and websites for that. 😂

I will admit that for a game with a 18+ content licence, it is rather campy.

I'll just leave it at that.