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Game full of Bots... and Zos lack of action...
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Hadria✭✭✭✭C'mon srsly
they know about the problem and they're working on fixing it. if you think they're just sitting there not doing anything then you should just leave.
I wish you were in their position with all these *** bitching at you 24/7 saying you don't give a *** and you're worthless.1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭portallib14_ESO wrote: »they know about the problem and they're working on fixing it. if you think they're just sitting there not doing anything then you should just leave.
They aren't doing enough. They need to send someone(s) around to the dungeons and take care of the blatant botters. It's pretty easy to tell a botter from a player who is simply farming a boss.1 -
Mailmann✭✭✭I was in the middle of reporting a bot today standing a Jute plant in Stonefalls when two other bots fell out of the sky onto the first bot. Many bots are actually stolen accounts. This, of course, begs the question, "When is Zenimax going to implement Authenticators?"1 -
Today I was swimming toward a solo dungeon and noticed a player swimming ahead of me. When he hit land he disappeared and when I was at the boss sure enough he was there. I am guessing he teleported. Also like 6 to 7 players didnt move an inch while the boss was being killed just attack animations. Some were even standing with their back to the boss.1
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In my opinion, too many "nodes" or spots can be exploited and so farmers and "power levelers" have it too easy.
Example :- resource nodes could be more random, spawn less often, be less predictable
- boss farming should not be possible (won't name one of the thousands of options named by the community)
- etc.
Agreed. These are the sort of considerations that Zenimax should be looking at. As well as things like "Diminishing returns" from boss drops (already being tweaked), and locking out certain instances once certain criteria has been met (e.g. private instances that only allow access if a quest is active).
Side note: just reported three more bots in Broken Helm Hollow - The Rift
(Level 40 - 44 zone)Edited by rioinsigniab16_ESO on April 22, 2014 7:11PMHow can you soar with eagles.....when you work with turkeys?0 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭
Back on OP, bots will always be around! Look at WoW, 10 years later and still has problems with bots in pvp/pve. Its a never ending cycle that we the people have to help fight ourselves, alongside ZOS.
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crush83✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »If you would have read what you agreed to, Zeni doesn't have to let you know diddly squat about what they're doing.
They don't have to let me know, but if they want to keep getting my money, they better start.0 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭
This is like asking "..but is Everyone in town a gold spammer, guys?"While i have seen a few suspicious behaviour next to bosses, where are all these bots, guys?
Is it a matter of server? On the EU server we arent overrun by bots.
Of Course not everyone near a boss is a bot!
And anyone with one eye and half a brain cell can tell the difference between the bots and those who aren't.
It is Not hard to tell which the bots are in a group of 20 characters when 15 of them are using the Same attack, have roughly the Same name, always attack Before the boss spawns, and attack in perfect unison...
Even easier when you use a mob to lure them around a corner and they get Stuck on a crate or literally Warp back to the boss.
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Nordak✭✭Back on OP, bots will always be around! Look at WoW, 10 years later and still has problems with bots in pvp/pve. Its a never ending cycle that we the people have to help fight ourselves, alongside ZOS.
Well then they loose customers, and that doesn't have anything to do with instituting a fix.
The Bots in ESO are gamebreaking, try rolling a new character and try going into any public dungeon. ZOS still has yet to institute the best fix: In game GM's.
Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 22, 2014 7:16PM1 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭
Here's what you do. Instead of trying to use class skills, everyone equip a dagger (fastest swing time of all weapons). Stand where boss spawns, swing endlessly. You may not do much damage, but you will get a hit in, enough to register for the quest.They are game breakers in the dungeons with quests that expect you the player to actually hit/kill the boss and you can't for the bots.
This might have worked early on - before the bots got smarter and started using the preloader to begin attacking, and figured out what the most effective attacks were.
When a notoriously High Health boss like the snake lady-thing in Broken Tusk is dead before she can turn to face the character she has agro on - you aren't going to get any kill credit with a melee weapon..
.. Any melee weapon.
I am waiting on the bots-last light- video I clipped together when maint started, but somewhere I have an interesting one of an Undead boss spawn...
Where the bots were doing so much damage Before the mob appeared, that it never did. It was arriving already dead on the ground each spawn.
Tell me how you're supposed to get kill credit on a mob that is dead before you are able to take a swing at it.3 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »Reignskream wrote: »
They are paid for a service, I do not have the time to run around reporting the thousands of bots that I see. And yes you are a fanboy and butthurt.Reignskream wrote: »Koltiros1005b14a_ESO wrote: »There are numerous threads about this, ZOS knows it and issue and they ARE handling it, maybe not in the public outcry domination way that you'd like it to be, however banning bots is not simply done, it requires that YOU the player give detailed reports on the botters and that the ZOS team reviews these reports to determine if said botter was actually botting, they can't afford to ban people falsely based on loose information. How would you like to be banned because someone said you were botting, and provided little to no information that said otherwise. This isn't like getting rid of gold farmers, it takes time.
Am I PAID by Zenimax to do this? No! Zenimax should be policing this. Go troll somewhere else.
Someone posts their opinion and they're trolling all the sudden? One thing I'm getting sick of is being called a fanboy & a troll because we tend to backup ZOS when people come out and cry over something that THE PLAYERS need to take a stand against. /report is all you have to do and it takes less than a minute, but no, you don't "get paid" to do that.
That's your problem then, not ZOS, because like every job, not everybody can do every single thing with the flip of a switch. Us sending in reports is what helps the community out, and if you cant take a second to help the community out, then why are you here whining in the first place.
Your not even doing your part to make this game a better place, but you will sit around and cry about it, huh?
Just because ZOS doesnt inform you guys about what is going on, does NOT mean things arent happening. Oh but wait, i guess I'm a fanboy and im trolling now, and my opinion is bleak.
Then don't run around and report people, i dont care what you do. But ill laugh as you cry on forums about it, as you don't even do your part. & thankyou for proving my point, i knew you couldn't say anything without calling me a fanboi
So your a trolling fanboy, well fine, enjoy your game with it's side of bots while you try to police the bots without any support from an ingame GM.
Yeah an opinion differs from yours and all the sudden im a troll a fanboi and im butthurt.
You sir, are a winner.
You are a troll because that is your goal. You aren't trying to put out a different point of view, you are merely attacking the point of view of others. Butthurt means that something someone has said has agitated you. What is sad is that I have to sit down and explain terminology.
Trolls are trolls, Fanboys are people who will side with the games producers no matter what. Not my fault you wedge yourself into those 2 categories.
If Zenimax institutes a fix that works, I will happily reinstate my sub. Until then they have to prove they are going to deal with the bots and hacks.
There is a major difference between an Opinion, & a troll. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it is trolling. You are the one who seems extremely agitated, as you've called me a troll over about 3x now, a fanboy x2 times, and butthurt once.
If you would have read what you agreed to, Zeni doesn't have to let you know diddly squat about what they're doing.
Back on OP, bots will always be around! Look at WoW, 10 years later and still has problems with bots in pvp/pve. Its a never ending cycle that we the people have to help fight ourselves, alongside ZOS.
Not agitated, but maybe I should quit feeding you.
Well then they loose customers, and that doesn't have anything to do with instituting a fix.
The Bots in ESO are gamebreaking, try rolling a new character and try going into any public dungeon. ZOS still has yet to institute the best fix: In game GM's.
See what happens when you don't flame and put out an opinion?
Funny how you say quit feeding me, as my opinion has been on the OP's thread on bots, so i guess my opinion = trolling because i disagree with you, as you've made that pretty clear.
Bots in ESO are not game breaking, and they have not limited my ability to further progress. Of course they suck, but they're in no way shape or form game breaking.
So lets see now, im a troll, im butthurt, im a fanboi, and now im flaming.
Sorry my opinion offends you so much that you feel you need to attack me with silly words. But cant we keep it on OP without you name calling? Becuase thats the only thing im seeing you do.
Edited by Reignskream on April 22, 2014 7:18PM0 -
Spidermonk✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »/report is all you have to do and it takes less than a minute, but no, you don't "get paid" to do that.
Yes...but have you SEEN how difficult it is to see all the name plates of a group of bots? They all stand in the same place which makes targeting individual ones next to impossible. I'm lucky to get 3/10 of those *** templars (Bots have made me detest anybody that uses that light spear attack).
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Bots stop people being able to play the game as intended. That means people have less fun. That means people don't sub and pretty soon ESO is just another FTP shop with a game attached. I call that game breaking.4
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crush83✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »Bots in ESO are not game breaking, and they have not limited my ability to further progress. Of course they suck, but they're in no way shape or form game breaking.
Let me guess. You quickly leveled to max level. You aren't participating in the open world caves where the bosses are being camped 24/7. We aren't talking about the world bosses. We are talking about the bosses in caves.
You know. the ones you have to kill in order to the achievement for having completed that cave.
Guess what. If you can't kill the boss, you can't complete the achievement. That's game breaking.
Not everyone has lightning reflexes. I do, but I know people who don't and would like to enjoy that content (my brother being one of them).0 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »One thing I'm getting sick of is being called a fanboy & a troll because we tend to backup ZOS when people come out and cry over something that THE PLAYERS need to take a stand against. /report is all you have to do and it takes less than a minute, but no, you don't "get paid" to do that.
That's your problem then, not ZOS, because like every job, not everybody can do every single thing with the flip of a switch. Us sending in reports is what helps the community out, and if you cant take a second to help the community out, then why are you here whining in the first place.
Dear Fanboi,
We Have reported them. We have Reported the SAME bots for WEEKS and yet those same bots remain in the game, doing the same things they were doing the first time we reported them.
As to Jobs - it IS the Job of the staff at Zenimax to find and remove these people, as it is a violation of the terms THEY hold in contract, not us.
As long as We are not violating any terms of the agreement - they are required to prevent Others from doing so.
And given that they could Eliminate this problem in a few days without any Coding at all - by simply having a GM float between the dungeons-banning bots, and checking public chats-banning gold spammers...
There is no reason any of us should be Sympathetic to Zenimax in Their Failure to take Obvious, Simple, and Reliable action to remedy the situation - instead deciding to seek a solution that has eluded companies in this market for over a Decade, while leaving us to Suffer the consequences of nothing being done in the immediate term.4 -
Erodoehtdtmb14_ESOSoul ShrivenZeni/Bethesda sure does not care one bit about bots or even the bloody dam gold spammers that pop up in chat or sent you mail or I even had a few that tried guild invite
They need to get some dam GMs before people quit their game, because of the bots and not being able to get a kill. All the way to banning the F*** out of the gold spammers2 -
crush83✭✭✭✭So, we are supposed to believe that these bots are buying, setting up accounts, and leveling them to level 20-25 faster than Zenimax GMs can ban them?
LOL. Okay.Edited by crush83 on April 22, 2014 7:22PM0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭[
I am waiting on the bots-last light- video I clipped together when maint started, but somewhere I have an interesting one of an Undead boss spawn...
Where the bots were doing so much damage Before the mob appeared, that it never did. It was arriving already dead on the ground each spawn.
Tell me how you're supposed to get kill credit on a mob that is dead before you are able to take a swing at it.
I toured all the Daggerfall dungeons this morning. Just one, and only for a short time, could I get loot by spamming critical charge. But more and more bots teleported in until even there no one could get a hit let alone loot.
I note that they have got a hand on the daggerfall zone gold spamming chat. Good job. Let's hope something equally effective is going to happen to bots because they will drive potential customers away.
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Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »One thing I'm getting sick of is being called a fanboy & a troll because we tend to backup ZOS when people come out and cry over something that THE PLAYERS need to take a stand against. /report is all you have to do and it takes less than a minute, but no, you don't "get paid" to do that.
That's your problem then, not ZOS, because like every job, not everybody can do every single thing with the flip of a switch. Us sending in reports is what helps the community out, and if you cant take a second to help the community out, then why are you here whining in the first place.
Dear Fanboi,
We Have reported them. We have Reported the SAME bots for WEEKS and yet those same bots remain in the game, doing the same things they were doing the first time we reported them.
As to Jobs - it IS the Job of the staff at Zenimax to find and remove these people, as it is a violation of the terms THEY hold in contract, not us.
As long as We are not violating any terms of the agreement - they are required to prevent Others from doing so.
And given that they could Eliminate this problem in a few days without any Coding at all - by simply having a GM float between the dungeons-banning bots, and checking public chats-banning gold spammers...
There is no reason any of us should be Sympathetic to Zenimax in Their Failure to take Obvious, Simple, and Reliable action to remedy the situation - instead deciding to seek a solution that has eluded companies in this market for over a Decade, while leaving us to Suffer the consequences of nothing being done in the immediate term.
Well since im a fanboy, you must be one of the crybabies.
Provide me with solid evidence of the same bots hanging around for weeks, and then ill agree with you. And yes i know it is their job, obviously, but what is wrong with the community helping them out. People can sure take time to complain all day about bots, but if you say" i wont report them" then what good is that?
We dont have GMs currently, REPORTING is all we have! And i do agree with you saying there is no sympathy for ZOS, as i know allot of people have had a hard time. But this is bots, and bots Aren't a big deal to me and a ton of others. Can easily do my dungeon, get my achiev, wack the boss to get some loot if i am lucky, report the bots, move along.Edited by Reignskream on April 22, 2014 7:25PM0 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »Bots in ESO are not game breaking, and they have not limited my ability to further progress. Of course they suck, but they're in no way shape or form game breaking.
Let me guess. You quickly leveled to max level. You aren't participating in the open world caves where the bosses are being camped 24/7. We aren't talking about the world bosses. We are talking about the bosses in caves.
You know. the ones you have to kill in order to the achievement for having completed that cave.
Guess what. If you can't kill the boss, you can't complete the achievement. That's game breaking.
Not everyone has lightning reflexes. I do, but I know people who don't and would like to enjoy that content (my brother being one of them).
MM, no. I'm still level 25 and i was in early access, nice try though. I participate in everything in that zone before i leave, dungeons, quests, achievs, skyshards, etc.
Ive killed bosses surrounded by 10+ bots, and gotten my achiev easily. stand where he spawns, wack him when he spawns, it is not that hard. Again, i understand it sucks.Edited by Reignskream on April 22, 2014 7:31PM0 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭So, we are supposed to believe that these bots are buying, setting up accounts, and leveling them to level 20-25 faster than Zenimax GMs can ban them?
LOL. Okay.
But of course..
Just because any given one of us- Paying Players, can literally go to the dungeons and find a hundred bots an hour... doesn't mean someone at Zenimax has the mental faculties to do something so complex.
(in my best Toot-toot Minuimus voice)
I mean.. they would have to figure out which key moves forward and Everything!Edited by Rantog on April 22, 2014 7:28PM2 -
crush83✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »MM, no. I'm still level 25 and i was in early access, nice try though slick. I participating in everything in that zone before i leave, dungeons, quests, achievs, skyshards, etc.
Ive killed bosses surrounded by 10+ bots, and gotten my achiev easily. stand where he spawns, wack him when he spawns, it is not that hard. Again, i understand it sucks.
Oh, so you are experiencing 10+ bots on a boss. Glad that you are adept enough to hit the boss before he is dead. Like I said, I'm able to do this too, but I also have great reflexes. I also know a lot of gamers who don't have great reflexes, and they shouldn't be punished by all the bots.
I've talked to many gamers who've tried for 30 minutes or more just to get the achievement. Getting loot is a completely different matter.
I have great reflexes, and I can still only get loot about 7/10 times.0 -
Sihnfahl✭✭✭✭[quote="Rantog;701554[Any melee weapon.[/quote]
Hm, in that case, try spamming a heal on a bot. I think that counts as an assist to get you credit? Could be wrong.0 -
Reignskream✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »MM, no. I'm still level 25 and i was in early access, nice try though slick. I participating in everything in that zone before i leave, dungeons, quests, achievs, skyshards, etc.
Ive killed bosses surrounded by 10+ bots, and gotten my achiev easily. stand where he spawns, wack him when he spawns, it is not that hard. Again, i understand it sucks.
Oh, so you are experiencing 10+ bots on a boss. Glad that you are adept enough to hit the boss before he is dead. Like I said, I'm able to do this too, but I also have great reflexes. I also know a lot of gamers who don't have great reflexes, and they shouldn't be punished by all the bots.
I've talked to many gamers who've tried for 30 minutes or more just to get the achievement. Getting loot is a completely different matter.
I have great reflexes, and I can still only get loot about 7/10 times.
I can agree with that, as i do have a caster only friend, and by the time his spell charges up, the boss is dead.
All in all, lets hope they come off a little stronger in fixing the bots, but IMO, i believe they will.0 -
crush83✭✭✭✭Reignskream wrote: »All in all, lets hope they come off a little stronger in fixing the bots, but IMO, i believe they will.
Well, there's no doubt they will. The question is will it be too late.
We aren't asking for them to rush out the autodetection measures right now. We are just asking that they send around a GM to get rid of the blatantly obvious botters.
Hang out at said boss encounter (invisible) and observe behavior for 9-10 spawns. Draw conclusions based on all factors involved, rather than cherry picking from a list. Ban the ones that leave no doubt, leave the rest.
Move on to the next dungeon. I have no doubt that if GMs were doing this, they'd easily outpace the rate at which new bots can signup and level up.1 -
Tyr✭✭✭✭
That's my point. Manual cleaning in this game is a reaaally easy thing to do since bots are so limited in their interactions. In Ragnarok they teleported when you talked to them, disconnected, talked back, it was much harder to prove they were bots, yet I baned like 20 bots a day, and I wasn't even payed to do it.Dudegeridoo wrote: »I thinks Zenimax are making preparations for some big anti bots procedure.
The problems is, until that "thingy" come to live, they need to make some "manual" cleaning.
You banned 20 bots a day lol. You cannot be that stupid! Chinese bot farmers can create 20 bots a second and if this game attracts the bigger farming companies in china, the same will happen here.
There are hundreds of instances of that public dungeon at the same tim ein the game and you think you're going to stand around and take 5 minutes to ban 1 bot? It takes less than that to create a new bot and send another one in after the one you banned to a different instance of the same exact place.
I'm sorry but you're totally clueless as to the scale you're talking about here.1 -
zhukovaveb17_ESO2Soul ShrivenBOTS, bots and tons bots... farming gold for gold sellers.
ZOS do nothing,
first will die game-economic, then game lose players and die.0 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭
Hm, in that case, try spamming a heal on a bot. I think that counts as an assist to get you credit? Could be wrong.[/quote][quote="Rantog;701554[Any melee weapon.
Healing for kill credit only counts Actual Healed Damage - and if you've been in a dungeon lately, you know the bots aren't Taking any - the bosses die too fast to hit anyone.
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crush83✭✭✭✭I'm sorry but you're totally clueless as to the scale you're talking about here.
I guess you forgot that accounts cost money. If they are having to spend tons of money on new accounts, they aren't going to stick around for long.
It's called cost-benefit analysis.
Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost–benefit_analysisEdited by crush83 on April 22, 2014 7:48PM0