Are you happy with how the Hollowjack motif is given out this year?

Gabbagul · October 2020

No

Pity that they specifically said that Hollowjack style items would drop from purple plunder skulls: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58951

That seems very much not to be the case.

SeaGtGruff · October 2020

No

Someone pointed out that the announcement says "style items," not "motif pages," so it seems they meant the style mat.

Gabbagul · October 2020

No

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Someone pointed out that the announcement says "style items," not "motif pages," so it seems they meant the style mat.

Ruthless.

SteveCampsOut · October 2020

No

Cryowynd wrote: »

While I have the full motif on my crafter, I find this to be a worrisome change. Right now, Hollowjack motif chapters, and by association the 2 event achievements that require it (Happy Work For Hollowjack, An Unsparing Harvest), are completely locked behind event tickets (28, assuming they are a guaranteed drop and only one per bag). While buying from guild stores is an option, the prices have skyrocketed, and the motifs will eventually run out, since any new pages received from the Witches Grab Bag are bound. Pair that with the fact that in order to be able to buy the new limited time house with gold you need to have the achievement completed, it makes the whole thing feel shady and anti-consumer, especially to newer players. While I think the Grab Bag is a good idea for inconsequential previous event collectibles and helps debloat the drop pool, I think it should under no circumstances be required in order to complete the event's achievements, and that this is a dangerous precedent to set for future events to come.

Do you mean the Witches Cottage or is there actually a new house?

Cryowynd · October 2020

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Do you mean the Witches Cottage or is there actually a new house?

Yeah, my bad. Thought it was new.

Linaleah · October 2020

No

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Oh no. Anyway

I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.

Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)

This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.

no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold

there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.

this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.

i love that you always my quite opposite. but maybe because i have different opinion than you. does no t make me toxic? eh...
beside nobody said its not affecting me o.O

and I literally quote your earlier post

WeerW3ir wrote: »

The funny thing i have the style since years... So this is not really touching me sadly.

this attitude of "I got mine, screw new players" is what's toxic.

funny story, in a game that shall not be named, you know how they handle old loot from prior events in order to not bloat the rng of drops as much? they put it on a vendor to be purchasable.

but its what ZoS did, you say? not... quote. you see in a game that shall not be named - event currency is not only grindable, but its per character rather then per account. so you can quite literally catch up on ALL of the event rewards from prior years (and hope that rng favors you when it comes to that one rng based drop) by switching to an alt or two.

in ESO... if you want all of the rewards and didn't happen to have been playing back then? you are probably going to have to buy tickets from a cash shop. and THAT, IMO is pushing too far.

code65536 · October 2020

No

There was a thread about this problem when this change hit the PTS.

The Grab Bag idea isn't terrible. The terrible thing is the price. If people got the entire motif for a 2-ticket grab bag, that would be fine. But not if it's going to cost them 28 bloody tickets.

Generally, older stuff needs to be easier to get. Not harder.

rpa · October 2020

No opinion

I play for fun. If I cared about rewards, I'd have quit this clunky mess of a game long ago.

Jaraal · October 2020

Sad that they would make people choose between finishing their Indrik collection and getting an achievement to be able to buy a house for gold..... unless they reach into their wallets. But not surprising, considering that they are actively taking away skills people have earned, while providing crown store solutions to get them back faster.

Jimbob47 · October 2020

No

Only wanted the motifs for the achievement as it's my first event, bought 5 grab bags and got 4 pieces for the apple bobbing emote and one motif. Definitely not bothering with that now!

Czekoludek · October 2020

Yes

Personaly I live this change as previously hollowjack was just a useless trash after you hot what you want. But I agree it might be unfair for new players. The coffer should be obtainable by tickets (like now) and for example have a small chance to drop from one of the activities (like world bosses) do it won't be trash again but could be farmed with enough time.
And I don't understand this crying for the price right now, 15-25k per page is not a big amount of money

Prof_Bawbag · October 2020

No

Linaleah wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Oh no. Anyway

I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.

Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)

This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.

no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold

there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.

this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.

i love that you always my quite opposite. but maybe because i have different opinion than you. does no t make me toxic? eh...
beside nobody said its not affecting me o.O

and I literally quote your earlier post

WeerW3ir wrote: »

The funny thing i have the style since years... So this is not really touching me sadly.

this attitude of "I got mine, screw new players" is what's toxic.

funny story, in a game that shall not be named, you know how they handle old loot from prior events in order to not bloat the rng of drops as much? they put it on a vendor to be purchasable.

but its what ZoS did, you say? not... quote. you see in a game that shall not be named - event currency is not only grindable, but its per character rather then per account. so you can quite literally catch up on ALL of the event rewards from prior years (and hope that rng favors you when it comes to that one rng based drop) by switching to an alt or two.

in ESO... if you want all of the rewards and didn't happen to have been playing back then? you are probably going to have to buy tickets from a cash shop. and THAT, IMO is pushing too far.

That's the reason I ignored him. He's looking for a rise and nothing more. Surprised folk even waste a second of their time on people like him tbh.

YandereGirlfriend · October 2020

No

Grab bag idea wouldn't be so bad if it cost only 1 ticket.

I do appreciate the that sort of "smart loot" is going on with detecting and avoiding motif pages that you already have.

Well, it's either that or I get INCREDIBLY lucky getting 6 motif pages in a row that I did not have without a single duplicate. The odds on that happening with smart loot would be vanishingly tiny.

Ekzorka · October 2020

Yes

I'm happy that this motif finally has stop to dropping as a trash. ZoS already cares a lot about newbies making gameplay and dialogues boring for old players, this is one of those rare moment when they remember about oldies.
If you don't like it for tickets, you always can find it in guildstores or even in your guild bank. There are a lot of pages.

code65536 · October 2020

No

Jimbob47 wrote: »

Only wanted the motifs for the achievement as it's my first event, bought 5 grab bags and got 4 pieces for the apple bobbing emote and one motif. Definitely not bothering with that now!

LOL! They don't even give you the full memento, only the parts of it? That is ***, considering that the full memento could be purchased with 5 tickets last year for people who didn't want to fuss with the parts.

Starlight_Whisper · October 2020

No

kargen27 wrote: »

Sounds like I made a huge mistake about a month ago. I had many many Hollowjack motifs and trashed them. Didn't even really need the inventory space I was just tired of looking at them.

You should read pts notes as such.

Andre_Noir · October 2020

No

In regard the event I feel like I play a grindy noname f2p MMO game with a multiple paywalls. And all this comes at the time I have eso+ and more than enough spare gold.
Just opened 6 bags and got:

1 bone pice
3 parts of apple-something
pumpkin-something hat
Hollowjack helms motif

ZOS's strategy to monetize everything they can is disgusting. I don't need a "holiday" bringing me feeling that I considered as milky cow

Czekoludek · October 2020

Yes

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MajThorax · October 2020

No

Cash grab bags disguised as ingame items.

Hoolielulu · October 2020

I started completely over and I had hoped to fill out the motif but alas...

WeerW3ir · October 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Oh no. Anyway

I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.

Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)

This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.

no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold

there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.

this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.

i love that you always my quite opposite. but maybe because i have different opinion than you. does no t make me toxic? eh...
beside nobody said its not affecting me o.O

You can have whatever opinion you like.

But if I, as a player who knocked out the Hollowjack motif the first year and who owns the house, decided that I was going to take the stance that "I want better RNG for the new rewards, so it's logical that ZOS should remove these old Hollowjack motif rewards from easy access even though they are still required for achievements, the event house, and crafting knowledge"...I think it would be reasonable for someone to characterize my stance as "I got mine! Screw the new players!"

Charitably, that probably wasn't what you were aiming for. Certainly, I agree with you that ZOS has reasons to reduce event reward bloat.

But its a major reason why I, as a player who knocked out the Hollowjack motif the first year it wad offered, don't agree with your justification for removing older motif rewards from the common loot pool to the much harder access through the Grab Bag. There are ways to reduce event reward bloat that don't lock items required for event achievements/event houses/crafting knowledge behind limited quantities of event tickets. Instead, ZOS chose a method of reducing the event reward bloat that effectively screwed over new players. I'm not in favor.

i aient even mentioned i want better rng. i said it would be logical if they would actually do that eventually. other games did it too. i understand youre mad because they did what they did. they did obviously bad. but because my opinion is different than yours, it dosent gives you reason to answer like this... i mean just wow.

Casul · October 2020

Just put all the old items in the grab bag completed. And reduce cost to 1 ticket. 7 total

Mrs_Malaka · October 2020

Starlock wrote: »

I mean, the entire point of them developing the event ticket system was to monetize it. They will monetize whatever they can get away with in this game.

Remember when there was huge backlash against putting a motif (Pynadonean) in gamble crates and ZoS was forced to back off and add it to fishing holes in Summerset? Remember when they did a bait and switch by adding "weapon styles" into gamble crates instead two crate seasons later, which is really not that different than adding a motif into gamble crates? Remember when they did it again this season with separate "style pages" (aka, motif chapters) for the Eccentric Experimenter look on top of offering "weapon styles" (aka, motif chapters) for special weapon appearances?

Yeah. This is what ZoS does. Nobody should be surprised by this if they've been paying attention to the trends. This is hardly the most egregious thing we've seen, though. Cutting down the event loot pool was a good decision, but the way the did it was not.

^ This. Damn straight, my friend. Damn straight.

Ingenon · October 2020

No

VaranisArano wrote: »

Achievements shouldn't be tied to event tickets.

Motifs also shouldn't be tied to event tickets. Style pages are one thing, but motif knowledge counts towards your master writ chance.

Just curious, how does this align with the Microsoft policy stated here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546927/microsoft-vs-eso-possible-new-loot-box-policy

I realize that Microsoft does not own ESO until next year, so ZOS is not bound by Microsoft policy today.

Kazren · October 2020

No

As a new player (came back after 5 years and really I'm starting from scratch) this is totally unfair to any but people who have played for a while and had ample opportunity to gather hollowjack. They either force us to pay real money via the crown store for the house, or never get it since the pages just aren't available. Do the math.

DigitalHype · October 2020

No

Just another vector to the crown store. Not at all surprised.

Knightpanther · October 2020

No

Its all about getting you to the crown store, pay to get ahead in its finest form.
TBH it really doesn't effect a lot of us as the event is pretty rubbish compared to whats on offer in other games.

Be Safe

Vevvev · October 2020

No

At first I was happy my inventory was not getting flooded then a guildie asked around, and with my brain on autopilot, I told them they dropped in plunder skulls. Then.... I saw this thread.

This is not a good way to go about this ZOS! Locking an achievement behind event tickets, which are very limited in supply, is not a good way to go about this. Especially when its a decision between that mount and the achievement since we all know how evil random number generators are with giving us what we want.

SerraKBella · October 2020

I posted this on the official thread for the event, but I wanted to say it here too with an added sugetstion. Hope that's okay.

I love the Grab Bag Idea, but doing the math it looks like it could take too many tickets to get everything in the same year.

28 tickets - Hollowjack Motif pages (14 pages)
20 tickets - Skeletal Marionette parts (10 to make the memento, an in-game per character achievement, not account wide)
14 tickets - Apple-Bobbing Cauldron (7 fragments) (account wide)
8 tickets - Spectre Mask Collection (4 masks) (account wide)

"Sun's Dusk Reaper" title requires a complete Hollowjack motif set. I think the title is also required for purchasing in-game the Exorcised Coven Cottage.

Trying to get the title on an alt character could take up to 48 tickets, 28 for the Hollowjack motif pages, but because the Skeletal Marionette parts (10 parts = 20 tickets) could come before the last motif page, could make it take 48 tickets. The Skeletal Marionette memento is a per character, not account wide, in-game achievement, thus making it drop from grab bags for every alt character. That is for just one alt character to get the Sun's Dusk Reaper title. If you have many....?

A new player would need 70 tickets to get everything from the grab bag and that doesn't leave a lot of room for Crimson Indrik berries or feathers. And the max tickets this event is 39.

I wish ZOS could change the Grab Bag to be 1 ticket and drop 2 items, at the very least.

Edit: Forgot to Vote - No not happy with it.

code65536 · October 2020

No

SerraKBella wrote: »

doing the math it looks like it could take too many tickets to get everything in the same year.

28 tickets - Hollowjack Motif pages (14 pages)
20 tickets - Skeletal Marionette parts (10 to make the memento, an in-game per character achievement, not account wide)
14 tickets - Apple-Bobbing Cauldron (7 fragments) (account wide)
8 tickets - Spectre Mask Collection (4 masks) (account wide)

Wow. I didn't realize that all the other stuff came piecemeal too. This is just a gigantic middle finger to every new player.

There needs to be a catch-up mechanism, to make it easier for new players to complete old things. Instead, this is the exact opposite. Now it's actually harder for new players to complete old things.

What they should've done is just post a 5-ticket "Catch-Up Bag" that contains everything that had been discontinued. Not this piecemeal nonsense.