Ratzkifal wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

All this talk about Cyrodiil's climate as if there was ever a chance we'd get Jungled Cyrodiil. The tears of we lorebeards is but a puddle compared to the sea of tears ZOS would have faced from the rest of the fanbase if they completely changed Cyrodiil like that.

Given what it is, I like the approach ZOS has taken to lore, with different in-universe theories in competition with each other.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to pick out which crab-leather jacket I'm wearing today.

Let's not forget that ZOS actually showed us the Cyrodiilic jungle in Sanctum Ophidia. Talos changed Cyrodiil to never have been a jungle in the first place (blame Lord of the Rings and Oblivion for that), ZOS is just sticking to that decision.


My hope is that we will one day get a chapter where we travel to an alternate reality with Cyrodiil being a proper jungle and a PvE zone, with the plot revolving around us trying to get back to our original reality.

I would buy this.

Nairinhe wrote: »

Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Probably the most recent vampire rework's blood frenzy and 'using up own HP to do very minimal stuff'

As vampires in Elder Scrolls absolutely do NOT want to use their own life essence to fuel their spells. That's what stealing other people's life essence is for....

The reason for this is because when a vampire dies their soul goes to Molag Bal no questions asked. And, as you can imagine, most vampires don't want to be tortured for eternity or worse. Thus why they typically try to live as long as possible and use LIFE-DRAINING powers. Not powers that use their own HP.

AFAIK, vampirism available to players is some mocking of Molag Bal's version designed by Lamae Bal. It is designed to be illogical trash.

It's official. Lamae Bal wrote the My Immortal fan-fiction. I knew it all along!

Of all the lore breaking things in ESO the biggest one is Three Banners War. We have the Word of God that "The Dark Elves did not have a war with High Elves", yet here we are.

Vevvev wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

Of all the lore breaking things in ESO the biggest one is Three Banners War. We have the Word of God that "The Dark Elves did not have a war with High Elves", yet here we are.

If you wanna get literal you can say they didn't have a war with the High Elves since when they left the Summerset isles it was not a war like it could have been. The sentence your quoting says, "The Dark Elves did not have a war with High Elves; they split off from the High Elves in an ancient religious schism, and the relationship is scornful but not bellicose." Its referring to when the Chimer split off from the Altmer, not what happened afterwards.

If you wanna bend words you can still say the Dunmer are not at war with the Altmer since not every single Dunmeri house joined the Pact. The Dunmeri race as a whole is not invested in this war as its only few houses, and even then its not the Dunmer, its the Pact.

The "relationship is scornful but not bellicose" is about what happened afterwards. It would be very strange to omit from "there was no war during the split, they have a number of wars later, their relationship now is scornful but not bellicose" the "they have a number of wars later" part without changing the meaning. The point is now their relationship is not bellicose, because there was no war during the split. Having wars in-between would also lead to bellicose relationship, don't you think? Why not mention them at all then?

As for every Dunmer house, it is technically true, but I am not convinced, because Ayrenn as a leader of the Altmer also leads the Dominion and Tribunal (or at least Almalexia) supports the Pact (they are "within the Pact" from different sources).

Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Probably the most recent vampire rework's blood frenzy and 'using up own HP to do very minimal stuff'

As vampires in Elder Scrolls absolutely do NOT want to use their own life essence to fuel their spells. That's what stealing other people's life essence is for....

The reason for this is because when a vampire dies their soul goes to Molag Bal no questions asked. And, as you can imagine, most vampires don't want to be tortured for eternity or worse. Thus why they typically try to live as long as possible and use LIFE-DRAINING powers. Not powers that use their own HP.

Actually that is not exactly true, unlike lycanthropey, vampirism far more varied not only in origin but how their strains work. Not only this but there is canon examples of vampires in Aetherius the afterlife for mortals. Yes Vampires do exist in Aetherius and yes this is a canon fact.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mantellan_Crux
We actually are getting a little bit or a one line thing next update if you pay attention and this is a vital thing about this soul claim lore on how Molag Bal and that is a major hurdle towards the idea that all go to Coldharbour. Because of the mechanism. The Mechanism Hircine uses does not require a contract. Because one, basically that part of them is a spiritual wolf like spirit basically like controlled by Hircine so he could just use that thing within them to force them into his hunting grounds.

The fact Molag Bal does require a contract just to claim their soul is rather telling, it means he does not have a great of a hold unless he has this. It makes sense because of how vampirism compared to lycanthropy works. This explains why there are vampires in Aetherius it explains why Molag Bal didn't claim the souls of the Azura worshipers. Because his hold isn't as great. One cannot control their own blood not without some device. Many vampires have Molag Bal's blood within them. But this blood connection deludes over time with each generation and Skyrim strongly implies this being a real thing with vampires. If Molag Bal had a soul claim it would realistically would only work within a few generations.

Bloodlines being deluded means his influence if he ever had any and it does not seem like he does or even attempts to have influence over them given he does not do this with Verandis or Lamae. Molag Bal is directly implied to have no love for vampires anymore then any other mortal. This is mentioned by one of his worshipers in Morrowind and he seems to take interest in those wanting to cure it then those that embrace it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Derar_Hlervu

Molag Bal not caring for them, can be explained by this, his intent was to spite Arkay so he created Lamae. Though I suspect in Khajiit Religion given his sphere is more law focused and not just domination. His Khajiit aspect is a much more lawful spirit. Plus their not being an Arkay figure he would have had no reason to create it within their unique dynamic of their religious beliefs. Vampirism instead is implied to be strongly associated with the unique Blood God Sangiin and a Khajiit lore book hints towards him offering vampirism by making their flesh immortal.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Worldly_Spirits

This book kinda hints towards that idea that Sangiin might be involved with the Weeping Scar vampires as well. If you compare the stuff mentioned within it with the unique Sangiin lore it does match up with the lore on Sangiin's sphere being blood and pleasure and the vampires of the weeping scar seem to have that theme about them.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Sacrament_Remains
When this one's fur was darker and her claws sharper, she heard tales of the Weeping Scar. There were Khajiit who went down into the dark to feed an addiction of pleasure and blood. Most came back, only to descend once more into the dark. Some, however, stayed.

Given the strong Sangiin implications with vampirism in Elsweyr. This means that vampirism could have originated with the Khajjiit aspect of Sangiune and then others came about through Molag Bal in other areas where Molag Bal and Sangiune have differant sways. This could explain why Derar Hlervu makes mention that though Molag Bal has dealings with vampires they are not of his original making. So its possible there are vampires that do predate Lamae herself and I would not be surprised if those that predated Lamae if they existed have their origins in Sangiin.

Usually Maiq is used to explain the lore breaks of the previous ES game via his riddles. I am curious if he refers to Skyrim or ESO in the next game ...

maybe he was home schooled

I saw one the other day. Horrible creatures.