Of all the lore breaking things in ESO this is the ONE i really am fed up with at the moment

linuxlady · October 2020

MUD CRABS GIVE CHITTIN NOT LEATHERS.

thank you and have a nice day.

Grandchamp1989 · October 2020

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Nairinhe · October 2020

But they do give chitin. They just cover it with medium armor. Hm... mediums, dual wield, small and pesky... confirmed - mudcrabs are stamblades

Thormar · October 2020

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

When it comes to temperate Cyro, here's a link:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos

"You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you."

Nairinhe · October 2020

Thormar wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

When it comes to temperate Cyro, here's a link:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos

"You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you."

During events of ESO Talos isn't even born yet, no?

noblecron · October 2020

Nairinhe wrote: »

Thormar wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

When it comes to temperate Cyro, here's a link:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos

"You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you."

During events of ESO Talos isn't even born yet, no?

No however, Talos had the voice and the power of numidium so he warped reality and history

I've gotten Chitten from Mudcrabs. Not often but sometimes. Mudcrabs also seem to be eat meat so its possible you're harvesting leather from their stomach or their prey

essi2 · October 2020

Nairinhe wrote: »

Thormar wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

When it comes to temperate Cyro, here's a link:

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos

"You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you."

During events of ESO Talos isn't even born yet, no?

Correct, but according to some sources the Towers (In this case White-Gold) have the power to change climates to suit the inhabitants of the region within their domain.

But then the slaves of the Heartland High Elves rose up against their masters, conquered the valley of the Nibenay, and the Ayleids ruled no more. Thereafter, White-Gold Tower was the center of a human empire, peopled by Nedes and Cyro-Nords who originated in cooler, northern climes. And so the Tower of Cyrodiil responded to the desires of its new masters.

And that, I believe, is the answer to how the Heartland changed from subtropical to temperate: because once Men ruled in Cyrodiil, the local reality changed to meet their needs and wishes. Changed slowly, perhaps, almost imperceptibly, but inexorably—until Cyrodiil became the realm of temperate forests and fields we now know.

Retconning in the finest of TES tradition

Thormar · October 2020

Nairinhe wrote: »

During events of ESO Talos isn't even born yet, no?

You're right.
And rather than paraphrase others, here is a quote on the consequences of his act on reality, before and after his existence.

"Yes - and no. It is heavily implied that Talos changed reality when he ascended to Godhood, so that Cyrodiil was never a jungle. So before Talos ascended it was a jungle but since he ascended it has never been a jungle. This is the same way in which reality was changed so that the Tribunal have always been gods."

The above quote is found here:
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/181207/was-cyrodiil-a-jungle-before-the-third-era
For whatever reason ESO chose not to go with the above interpretation.

Mettaricana · October 2020

Dwarven oil not dropping from dwarven enemies

Dreugh wax coming from everything but dreughs

Shields levitating infront of our hand unheld

SeaGtGruff · October 2020

I thought all you needed to turn a jungle into a not-jungle is an axe, or rather a lot of axes, presumably wielded by an army composed of your fervent followers? Fire helps, too. No magical ret-conning hand-wavery needed.

BlueRaven · October 2020

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Unstealthy wood elves who are not particularly good at bows.

Argonians not immune to poison, even though the in game quests say they should be.

There is more, but whatever.

Tabbycat · October 2020

I would say out of all the little things the Dragons being active in this time period bothers me the most.

linuxlady · October 2020

for all the people who didnt comprehend. yes mudcrabs give chittons but they dont give leather. so where does this leather come from? nowhere else does a mudcrab give leather except in eso.

ghastley · October 2020

linuxlady wrote: »

MUD CRABS GIVE CHITTIN NOT LEATHERS.

thank you and have a nice day.

You're not just dismantling the creature, but also its "possessions" - i.e the area it's scavenging in. That's how they have armour pieces, and gold, etc. So the leather is from its hoard, not its body. And that's not much different from your own invisible backpack that holds your inventory.

By your logic, a skeleton would only be able to drop a weapon or shield. The game lets them have an invisible backpack, too.

zaria · October 2020

Thormar wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

During events of ESO Talos isn't even born yet, no?

You're right.
And rather than paraphrase others, here is a quote on the consequences of his act on reality, before and after his existence.

"Yes - and no. It is heavily implied that Talos changed reality when he ascended to Godhood, so that Cyrodiil was never a jungle. So before Talos ascended it was a jungle but since he ascended it has never been a jungle. This is the same way in which reality was changed so that the Tribunal have always been gods."

The above quote is found here:
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/181207/was-cyrodiil-a-jungle-before-the-third-era
For whatever reason ESO chose not to go with the above interpretation.

Note that Cyrodil stretches up to Bruma. In Tes 3 it stretched all the way down to Leyawind who is east of Southern Elsweyr and Murkmire. It makes some sense that climate changes as you traverse it

Well and Cyrodil would worked worst with 10 times as many trees

amapola76 · October 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I thought all you needed to turn a jungle into a not-jungle is an axe, or rather a lot of axes, presumably wielded by an army composed of your fervent followers? Fire helps, too. No magical ret-conning hand-wavery needed.

Yes, and we certainly see lots of felled logs all over Cyro. Takes a lot of trees to make all those catapults, trebuchets, etc.

anadandy · October 2020

BlueRaven wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Unstealthy wood elves who are not particularly good at bows.

Preach.

Silver_Strider · October 2020

BlueRaven wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Argonians not immune to poison

I quit ESO and I still get triggered by this when I remember it.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · October 2020

Reminds me of this old discussion.

Ratzkifal · October 2020

I'm pretty sure this is because of chitin armor. Since you can make "medium" armor out of chitin in-universe, mudcrabs should drop the material you make medium armor out of as a game mechanic.

The biggest lore issues ESO has right now are the deus ex machina of the Argonians helping the Dunmer and Nord against the Akaviri, that Bosmer in ESO don't have stealth anymore and the as of yet unexplained return of Sai Sahan/Lyris.

opaj · October 2020

All this talk about Cyrodiil's climate as if there was ever a chance we'd get Jungled Cyrodiil. The tears of we lorebeards is but a puddle compared to the sea of tears ZOS would have faced from the rest of the fanbase if they completely changed Cyrodiil like that.

Given what it is, I like the approach ZOS has taken to lore, with different in-universe theories in competition with each other.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to pick out which crab-leather jacket I'm wearing today.

Ratzkifal · October 2020

Tabbycat wrote: »

I would say out of all the little things the Dragons being active in this time period bothers me the most.

@Tabbycat This shouldn't be as big of a deal as people make it out to be. After Reman and the blades started to kill all the dragons they could find, a lot of dragons went into hiding. The blades even admit to not having been able to kill all of them in their own documents leaving many of those they actually knew of unaccounted for.

Several hundred years later Kaalgrontiid and his gang come out of the Halls of Colossus and continue where they left off back when they were sealed - taking over Elsweyr. The other dragons who went into hiding see that things are starting to look up again with one of the most powerful dragons having returned, so they come out of hiding and join Kaal.

If anything the events of ESO explain better why there are so little dragons around afterwards. Dragons don't reproduce so their numbers can only ever shrink. By giving the surviving dragons a reason to come out of hiding again the extend of their extinction can be more easily explained than through a single campaign of one dragonborn emperor who even admitted to not having been completely successful.

Also let's not forget that Tiber Septim even had a dragon general that a lot of people like to forget about, which he shouldn't have if dragons really were gone completely aside from Paarthurnax. We do actually meet that dragon in ESO, so this explains the circumstances of Nahfahlaar's continued existence a bit more.

Ratzkifal · October 2020

opaj wrote: »

All this talk about Cyrodiil's climate as if there was ever a chance we'd get Jungled Cyrodiil. The tears of we lorebeards is but a puddle compared to the sea of tears ZOS would have faced from the rest of the fanbase if they completely changed Cyrodiil like that.

Given what it is, I like the approach ZOS has taken to lore, with different in-universe theories in competition with each other.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to pick out which crab-leather jacket I'm wearing today.

Let's not forget that ZOS actually showed us the Cyrodiilic jungle in Sanctum Ophidia. Talos changed Cyrodiil to never have been a jungle in the first place (blame Lord of the Rings and Oblivion for that), ZOS is just sticking to that decision.

My hope is that we will one day get a chapter where we travel to an alternate reality with Cyrodiil being a proper jungle and a PvE zone, with the plot revolving around us trying to get back to our original reality.

Everest_Lionheart · October 2020

They fixed my biggest lore breaker when they nerfed BFB. Vampire MagDK’s wielding fire magic standing around in their own fire AOE taking zero fire damage. It just never made any sense to me.

Same thing with Templar and light/holy magic. Some lines should have never been blurred.

zaria · October 2020

Silver_Strider wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

lolol just curious..

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

I know Cyradiil is supposed to be a jungle right?

Argonians not immune to poison

I quit ESO and I still get triggered by this when I remember it.

Pretty easy then its an quest in Elseweyr who main character is an Argonian who rescued the Khajiit in the group because of his poison resistance

NotaDaedraWorshipper · October 2020

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

*Points at racial passives (RIP bosmer and argonians) and things like Apex mounts*

Despite being a massive lore nerd and stickler for it, Cyrodiil has never bothered me. It's not a jungle, it may have once been but now it isn't anymore. People need to move on from that.

What bothers me more is that Valenwood isn't a jungle! It suffers greatly from base game issues and is more a sparsely densed forest with big trees, rather than the being the ultimate forest/jungle. Parts of Elsweyr is more Valenwood than Valenwood! Will the crimes towards bosmer never end?

Vevvev · October 2020

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

They fixed my biggest lore breaker when they nerfed BFB. Vampire MagDK’s wielding fire magic standing around in their own fire AOE taking zero fire damage. It just never made any sense to me.

Same thing with Templar and light/holy magic. Some lines should have never been blurred.

That's not lore breaking though. Vampires have always been able to cast flame and light spells without issue. If their own spells could hurt them than nobody in their right mind would be casting flame magic since it'd burn them every time!

Now I will agree Cauterize isn't the -best- "healing" spell to be healing a vampire with. That one is pretty sketchy but the rest checks out.

Edit: Also there is a vampire bloodline in lore who's special power is a Wildfire spell! They're known as the Haarvenu and are one of the Illiac Bay bloodlines. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Haarvenu

Cundu_Ertur · October 2020

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

*Points at racial passives (RIP bosmer and argonians) and things like Apex mounts*

Despite being a massive lore nerd and stickler for it, Cyrodiil has never bothered me. It's not a jungle, it may have once been but now it isn't anymore. People need to move on from that.

What bothers me more is that Valenwood isn't a jungle! It suffers greatly from base game issues and is more a sparsely densed forest with big trees, rather than the being the ultimate forest/jungle. Parts of Elsweyr is more Valenwood than Valenwood! Will the crimes towards bosmer never end?

There ARE no Bosmer in ESO. Thus, no crimes can be committed against them seeing as how they do not even exist. What we have now are tailless Khajiit, aka Ohmes. Bosmer-shaped? Check. Not especially good archers? Check. Not stealthy? Check. Preternaturally perceptive? Check. Tamriel's foremost acrobats? Check. Ohmes. Check, check, check, check, and check.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · October 2020

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

*Points at racial passives (RIP bosmer and argonians) and things like Apex mounts*

Despite being a massive lore nerd and stickler for it, Cyrodiil has never bothered me. It's not a jungle, it may have once been but now it isn't anymore. People need to move on from that.

What bothers me more is that Valenwood isn't a jungle! It suffers greatly from base game issues and is more a sparsely densed forest with big trees, rather than the being the ultimate forest/jungle. Parts of Elsweyr is more Valenwood than Valenwood! Will the crimes towards bosmer never end?

There ARE no Bosmer in ESO. Thus, no crimes can be committed against them seeing as how they do not even exist. What we have now are tailless Khajiit, aka Ohmes. Bosmer-shaped? Check. Not especially good archers? Check. Not stealthy? Check. Preternaturally perceptive? Check. Tamriel's foremost acrobats? Check. Ohmes. Check, check, check, check, and check.

They do exist and they have rights! Not to be confused by ZoS for khajiit! #JusticeForBosmers

Cundu_Ertur · October 2020

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

*Points at racial passives (RIP bosmer and argonians) and things like Apex mounts*

Despite being a massive lore nerd and stickler for it, Cyrodiil has never bothered me. It's not a jungle, it may have once been but now it isn't anymore. People need to move on from that.

What bothers me more is that Valenwood isn't a jungle! It suffers greatly from base game issues and is more a sparsely densed forest with big trees, rather than the being the ultimate forest/jungle. Parts of Elsweyr is more Valenwood than Valenwood! Will the crimes towards bosmer never end?

There ARE no Bosmer in ESO. Thus, no crimes can be committed against them seeing as how they do not even exist. What we have now are tailless Khajiit, aka Ohmes. Bosmer-shaped? Check. Not especially good archers? Check. Not stealthy? Check. Preternaturally perceptive? Check. Tamriel's foremost acrobats? Check. Ohmes. Check, check, check, check, and check.

They do exist and they have rights! Not to be confused by ZoS for khajiit! #JusticeForBosmers

I agree that ZOS should not have confused Bosmer and Khajiit the way they did, but they did do exactly that. They gave Bosmer all kinds of abilities that more properly belong to Khajiit (ie acrobatics); and gave Bosmer nothing that reflects Bosmer heritage, history, culture, or lore (ie stealth and being superlative with a bow). The game has no Bosmer in it now. The first part of getting #JusticeForBosmers is to have them put back in the game.

linuxlady · October 2020

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What are the most lore breaking things ESO introduced?

*Points at racial passives (RIP bosmer and argonians) and things like Apex mounts*

Despite being a massive lore nerd and stickler for it, Cyrodiil has never bothered me. It's not a jungle, it may have once been but now it isn't anymore. People need to move on from that.

What bothers me more is that Valenwood isn't a jungle! It suffers greatly from base game issues and is more a sparsely densed forest with big trees, rather than the being the ultimate forest/jungle. Parts of Elsweyr is more Valenwood than Valenwood! Will the crimes towards bosmer never end?

There ARE no Bosmer in ESO. Thus, no crimes can be committed against them seeing as how they do not even exist. What we have now are tailless Khajiit, aka Ohmes. Bosmer-shaped? Check. Not especially good archers? Check. Not stealthy? Check. Preternaturally perceptive? Check. Tamriel's foremost acrobats? Check. Ohmes. Check, check, check, check, and check.

They do exist and they have rights! Not to be confused by ZoS for khajiit! #JusticeForBosmers

I agree that ZOS should not have confused Bosmer and Khajiit the way they did, but they did do exactly that. They gave Bosmer all kinds of abilities that more properly belong to Khajiit (ie acrobatics); and gave Bosmer nothing that reflects Bosmer heritage, history, culture, or lore (ie stealth and being superlative with a bow). The game has no Bosmer in it now. The first part of getting #JusticeForBosmers is to have them put back in the game.

Or they could just change their name to Ohmes