redspecter23 wrote: »I'm fine with it on clench to be honest. Most of the things I want to taunt can't be immobilized anyway so it's not really a negative and it also doubles as an immobilize on weaker targets if I need it for that purpose.
FoolishOptimist wrote: »Follow the official discussion thread for changes to the Frost Staff: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546401/pts-update-28-feedback-thread-for-frost-staff-adjustments/p1
Several concerns have arisen regarding placing the Frost Staff's taunt onto Frost Clench (morphed from Destructive Touch) as the new description of this skill involves both taunting the enemy and immobilising them to the spot, which is counter-intuitive to the needs of the tank. Counter suggestions have formed around Elemental Susceptibility (morphed from Weakness to Elements) receiving the taunt as currently this morph pales in popularity to Elemental Drain and it has potential to function similarly to Pierce Armour.
We thank ZOS for listening to community feedback regarding the removal of the taunt from Frost Staff Heavy Attack with Tri-Force and we hope that the Devs will respond in kind to the results of this poll.
Olupajmibanan wrote: »I would say Clench is a good candidate but not in it's current state.
1) Range needs to be increased to match the range of Inner Fire.
2) Inner Fire Synergy is better than Clench's Immobilize on cast, so some additional effect should be added in order to have reason to pick it over Inner Fire. Maybe afflicting target with Minor Breach?
That would bring Frost staff as a tanking weapon much more in line with SnB.
FoolishOptimist wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I'm fine with it on clench to be honest. Most of the things I want to taunt can't be immobilized anyway so it's not really a negative and it also doubles as an immobilize on weaker targets if I need it for that purpose.
That's a valid perception, however I would argue that targets that can be both immobilised and taunted are better positioned next to the tank ASAP so they can be eliminated via AoE. Correct me if I'm wrong but immobilisation also provides CC immunity meaning the target cannot be chained in for at least 4 seconds after the immobilisation ends.
there are several problems with ele drain having taunt.
Firstly, it's free. It's bad to have a free, ranged taunt with no down side.
Secondly healers supply ele drain in trials and with minor brittle, i can see a world where one of the healers is running ele catalyst on a frost staff for minor brittle.
That said, frost clench needs to be cheaper and/or provide more benefit than inner rage otherwise why even bother. So far I can't see any reason to run frost clench instead of inner fire.
llBlack_Heartll wrote: »there are several problems with ele drain having taunt.
Firstly, it's free. It's bad to have a free, ranged taunt with no down side.
Secondly healers supply ele drain in trials and with minor brittle, i can see a world where one of the healers is running ele catalyst on a frost staff for minor brittle.
That said, frost clench needs to be cheaper and/or provide more benefit than inner rage otherwise why even bother. So far I can't see any reason to run frost clench instead of inner fire.
it was suggested to use the other morph Elemental Susceptibility, which none uses.
llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Honestly, they just need to move tanking away from the Destruction Staff.
1. Change the S&B Skill Power Slam to a 10s AEO Skill (Proc Crusher Enchantment)
2. Add to the Power Slam, while slotted blocking cost magicka.
3. Use Inner Fire for magicka/ranged taunt.
Olupajmibanan wrote: »I would say Clench is a good candidate but not in it's current state.
1) Range needs to be increased to match the range of Inner Fire.
2) Inner Fire Synergy is better than Clench's Immobilize on cast, so some additional effect should be added in order to have reason to pick it over Inner Fire. Maybe afflicting target with Minor Breach?
That would bring Frost staff as a tanking weapon much more in line with SnB.