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Do you think races need to be re-balanced?
Jodynn
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Whether you're frustrated from dodge rolling as a wood elf, or Khajiit being weak as a new born kitten without it's claws, do you like having stand out meta races or would you prefer something more balanced?
Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.
Do you think races need to be re-balanced? 191 votes
Yes
58%
111 votes
No
41%
80 votes
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI think that Bosmer needs to have their stealth bonus back! Bosmer and Khajiit could both have a reduced detection radius or one could have reduced movement penalty while in stealth. The current bonus that Bosmer get to stealth detection is useless and makes no sense lorewise. Both Bosmer and Khajiit have always been stealthy.
Altmer and Dunmer both seem appropriate. I’m not familiar enough with the other races to have an opinion on them.
I want race choice to matter and not only be cosmetic. It should be the case that races such as Orsimer and Argonians make the best traditional tanks — which isn’t to say that I don’t want people to have choices, but to be an effective tank as a less tough race, maybe you’ll do better with another strategy. Maybe you can use magic to control or misdirect your opponent instead of taking the blow on a shield. I’m also fine with some races being meta for particular roles — that’s inevitable so long as their are meaningful differences. I create my characters to fit the lore and sometimes I deliberately will go against type because it’s fun and I want to see if there’s a different way to do something.
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ColoniaCroisant✭✭✭YesYes only in that I want Racial Ultimates to make a return. Could use some variety0
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✭YesTaleof2Cities wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
Oh but it is becauss crit chances hurt khajiit more than the rest, because the pen changes make wood elves feel lol for having to dodge roll but being easily applied else where and also again making them even less strong even with because pen is much more widely available.
The bigger picture is painted.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on October 2, 2020 12:33PMJodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.2 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭NoThere's so much that needs to be reviewed/reworked in this game may as well add racial passives to the list. I wouldn't put them high on the list though. Far below an overall class-by-class review, which is the most pressing atm. In fact, I think I'd just approach them one by one by the order they appear on the character sheet. So classes, weapons, world, guild, etc.0
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Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI think the two most pressing issues as it pertains to PVE balance atm is class balance and race balance. Class balance could solve issues, but there are some abuse cases with race balance that make some classes more busted than they otherwise would be. Stamcro running Lavafoot at no real loss, as an example. Remove HP from Orc, and Stamcro is either paying a bunch more stam for that, or switching to a different food.2 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesFor all who said No, who plays a non bis race?Jodynn PC NA
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As has been said, this has nothing to do with the current PTS. Not only should Zos ignore threads that are unrelated to this subforum the thread will likely not get the attention OP would want.
Besides, I do not think the race passives need to be rebalanced. For the most part, they have never been more balanced. Some tweaks maybe, but the poll is about an absolute total rebalancing or not. As such it would offer poor information even for entertainment value.1 -
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✭✭Passives in general need rebalancing. @ZOS_BrianWheeler even said a passive rebalance was in the works sometime around update 22 (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/466792/update-22-combat-direction/p1). It still hasn't happened though.0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesAs has been said, this has nothing to do with the current PTS. Not only should Zos ignore threads that are unrelated to this subforum the thread will likely not get the attention OP would want.
Besides, I do not think the race passives need to be rebalanced. For the most part, they have never been more balanced. Some tweaks maybe, but the poll is about an absolute total rebalancing or not. As such it would offer poor information even for entertainment value.
Mainly for me it is the sustain stam races that need some rebalancing.
With the new endurance changes, with 0 investment in stam regen modifiers (No med armor, no cp, no class modifiers, etc) other than major and minor endurance (easily achievable via potions (major endurance, 40% now) + momentum (minor endurance which is now 20%) on a 2h, a Bosmer has an effective stam regen boost of 413. (258 * 1.6). Redguard at best can get effective 380 stam regen (that is if he/she can hit something every 5 seconds on the 5 seconds which by and large is more or less inconceivable outside of a pure dummy, even so there will be error) Weapon abilities are cheap already as it is so the 8% to weapon abilities won’t amount to much overall, especially if you have cost reduction passives such as from class, WEAPON, or medium armor passives.
This is an oversight by ZOS and since I don’t want Bosmer to be nerfed, so the main solution is for Redguard to be buffed or reworked.
Which is one “tweak” of many that I would do racialwise.1 -
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✭✭NoNo, Overall I do not think they need to be rebalanced, except for Orc which is too Overloaded for stamina specs especially with the Proc set and Malacath meta we have now.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As has been said, this has nothing to do with the current PTS. Not only should Zos ignore threads that are unrelated to this subforum the thread will likely not get the attention OP would want.
Besides, I do not think the race passives need to be rebalanced. For the most part, they have never been more balanced. Some tweaks maybe, but the poll is about an absolute total rebalancing or not. As such it would offer poor information even for entertainment value.
Mainly for me it is the sustain stam races that need some rebalancing.With the new endurance changes, with 0 investment in stam regen modifiers (No med armor, no cp, no class modifiers, etc) other than major and minor endurance (easily achievable via potions (major endurance, 40% now) + momentum (minor endurance which is now 20%) on a 2h, a Bosmer has an effective stam regen boost of 413. (258 * 1.6). Redguard at best can get effective 380 stam regen (that is if he/she can hit something every 5 seconds on the 5 seconds which by and large is more or less inconceivable outside of a pure dummy, even so there will be error) Weapon abilities are cheap already as it is so the 8% to weapon abilities won’t amount to much overall, especially if you have cost reduction passives such as from class, WEAPON, or medium armor passives.
This is an oversight by ZOS and since I don’t want Bosmer to be nerfed, so the main solution is for Redguard to be buffed or reworked.
Which is one “tweak” of many that I would do racialwise.
Thx for demonstrating my point about the poll not being conceived well since you are talking about a small tweak but an answer of Yes to the poll is suggesting you want a full rebalancing of the passives.
This thread would have gotten a lot more interest if it was in a relevant sub-forum.Edited by idk on October 1, 2020 6:32PM1 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoFor all who said No, who plays a non bis race?
Me. I’m pretty sure Bosmer aren’t bis for anything but my main (nightblade stam dps) is a Bosmer. Aren’t Bretons bis for magic and Orsimer and Argonians bis for tanking? Idk, that could be mistaken or outdated. I mostly play elves anyway because I love them! My other level 50’s are an Altmer templar healer, Dunmer mage warden and Altmer nightblade tank (waaay not bis, lol, but fun!).Edited by Araneae6537 on October 1, 2020 6:47PM0 -
daim✭✭✭✭✭NoYes! Lets do that again and have the exact same talk the day after..""I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light." It was written on my sword, long…long ago." ―Ajunta Pall
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesAs has been said, this has nothing to do with the current PTS. Not only should Zos ignore threads that are unrelated to this subforum the thread will likely not get the attention OP would want.
Besides, I do not think the race passives need to be rebalanced. For the most part, they have never been more balanced. Some tweaks maybe, but the poll is about an absolute total rebalancing or not. As such it would offer poor information even for entertainment value.
Mainly for me it is the sustain stam races that need some rebalancing.With the new endurance changes, with 0 investment in stam regen modifiers (No med armor, no cp, no class modifiers, etc) other than major and minor endurance (easily achievable via potions (major endurance, 40% now) + momentum (minor endurance which is now 20%) on a 2h, a Bosmer has an effective stam regen boost of 413. (258 * 1.6). Redguard at best can get effective 380 stam regen (that is if he/she can hit something every 5 seconds on the 5 seconds which by and large is more or less inconceivable outside of a pure dummy, even so there will be error) Weapon abilities are cheap already as it is so the 8% to weapon abilities won’t amount to much overall, especially if you have cost reduction passives such as from class, WEAPON, or medium armor passives.
This is an oversight by ZOS and since I don’t want Bosmer to be nerfed, so the main solution is for Redguard to be buffed or reworked.
Which is one “tweak” of many that I would do racialwise.
Thx for demonstrating my point about the poll not being conceived well since you are talking about a small tweak but an answer of Yes to the poll is suggesting you want a full rebalancing of the passives.
This thread would have gotten a lot more interest if it was in a relevant sub-forum.
I said yes because an answer of “no” would imply that all the races are fine and 0 changes are needed to be made, which is entirely false hence the need for tweaks to the facials.
As for the positioning of the thread, I guess it could have gotten more support/views if it were in a different sub thread, but who knows?1 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesAraneae6537 wrote: »For all who said No, who plays a non bis race?
Me. I’m pretty sure Bosmer aren’t bis for anything but my main (nightblade stam dps) is a Bosmer. Aren’t Bretons bis for magic and Orsimer and Argonians bis for tanking? Idk, that could be mistaken or outdated. I mostly play elves anyway because I love them! My other level 50’s are an Altmer templar healer, Dunmer mage warden and Altmer nightblade tank (waaay not bis, lol, but fun!).
Bosmer are bis for sustain, especially next patch hands down. For a rolly-polly class such as stamblade in pvp, more stam sustain is perfect.1 -
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✭✭Most races are pretty good now. The ones I'd like to tweak is Khajiit which is bad compared to other DPS races, and Orc which overperforms.EU PC2 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭NoSkjaldbjorn wrote: »
I think buffing the below par classes to Orc standard would be a better way than nerfing a class. The other classes need adjusting anyways.4 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭NoI voted no, but just for now. Other aspects of the game need serious work, like Classes that need an over haul. (PvE Perspective) The Warden Class comes to mind, Templar needs some work and Dragon Knight also.
We also need to see how the PTS changes effect the all classes, work on that and then races to refine it all.
Sounds simple hey...……...
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✭✭✭✭✭NoAraneae6537 wrote: »For all who said No, who plays a non bis race?
Me. I’m pretty sure Bosmer aren’t bis for anything but my main (nightblade stam dps) is a Bosmer. Aren’t Bretons bis for magic and Orsimer and Argonians bis for tanking? Idk, that could be mistaken or outdated. I mostly play elves anyway because I love them! My other level 50’s are an Altmer templar healer, Dunmer mage warden and Altmer nightblade tank (waaay not bis, lol, but fun!).
Bosmer are bis for sustain, especially next patch hands down. For a rolly-polly class such as stamblade in pvp, more stam sustain is perfect.
That’s good to know — recently cane back from a break and sustain was tough then too so hopefully it won’t hurt too much when I get back into group content (right now playing archaeologist, hehe). I should also add that I only PvE, not PvP. It occurs to me that racial abilities and what is bis would matter MUCH more in PvP. I wouldn’t mind having abilities that only were usable or did extra in PvE if that would at once provide variety but not force people into particular race+class slots to be competitive in PvP. The stupid Hunter’s Eye ability is half PvP specific and I’ve never put any points in it.
Edited by Araneae6537 on October 2, 2020 2:12PM0 -
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You're not a moderator either.KingShocker wrote: »You're not a moderator. And you wouldn't even be a good one if you were. The concept of relevance goes clear over your head.
And the concept of relevance instead of personal attacks goes clear over your head.2 -
KingShocker✭✭✭YesBalticBlues wrote: »
You're not a moderator either.KingShocker wrote: »You're not a moderator. And you wouldn't even be a good one if you were. The concept of relevance goes clear over your head.
And the concept of relevance instead of personal attacks goes clear over your head.
and the concept of moderator and personal attack goes over yours. chill.1 -
Koubo✭✭✭YesSkjaldbjorn wrote: »I think the two most pressing issues as it pertains to PVE balance atm is class balance and race balance. Class balance could solve issues, but there are some abuse cases with race balance that make some classes more busted than they otherwise would be. Stamcro running Lavafoot at no real loss, as an example. Remove HP from Orc, and Stamcro is either paying a bunch more stam for that, or switching to a different food.
But if you remove health to Orc then all the other StamClass who play Orc will suffer it because they cant run Lava but might have to run a health enchant at all time, or 2.
Maybe next patch will be different on this topic because of the sustain changes (especially Pot's buff buff +40% from +20% might help StamDDs to run dual health/stam food. Will see)
owever, i think Raciale might need a tweak yes. I would like at least. Maybe not top priority.0 -
JohnOfMarkarth✭✭✭YesSkjaldbjorn wrote: »
What would they replace the health with? Magicka? No reason to, on an orc... more stamina regen? Thats worse then the health. Resistances? Same as health
orc overperforms on dps base... not health base. Orcs are overbuffed. They needs to have one of his two damage stats reduced...
Their health is not something that would even go a short way... cus they would have to replace it with something... Something that would be much more... vileI can't do this anymore. Every small ... petit change that went against any semblance of sense has snowballed into an avalanche of (Penn & Teller:) Bulls...!
Gods, bless me with patience.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoStarlight_Whisper wrote: »🤣 roll dodge for your racial bonus
A theif with stealth detection.
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Yeah, it’s stupid! I never put points in Hunter’s Eye. I don’t care if Orcs are bis for anything or everything, I just want racial bonuses that are fitting and it makes sense for Orcs to be tough but none for Bosmer to have no stealth bonus.Edited by Araneae6537 on October 2, 2020 2:20PM0
