You forgot the real reason.

Too much BS for the effort. I was told the last time I pug tanked a dungeon that I was supposed to be chaining the mobs to the DPS. I WAS ON A WARDEN TANK, NOT A DK. Now, I will only tank for guildmates.

Vevvev wrote: »

Group runs ahead: I can handle this.
Group pulls early: I can handle this.
Group blames you for everything: Sometimes it can be my fault and I do improve.
Fake Healers: I can handle this too.
Group doesn't do mechanics (freeing allies from pins etc): I can handle this but this is where we get into danger territory...
Super Low DPS in vet content (esp DLCs): I cannot for the life of me fix this issue. This is the single reason why I hate tanking in ESO and sometime not even want to heal. Terrible DPS can break a lot of veteran DLC dungeons in this game and if the first boss is a struggle I don't have high hopes for the rest of the dungeon.

I didn't answer the poll because I will queue as a tank in dungeon finder but I agree that all the issues are minor annoyances compared to lacking DPS. In fact, I feel that the worst isn't "super low DPS," because if you fail early it allows you to gracefully say "OK one or two more pulls" and then leave while still being nice to the group. Rather, I think the worst experience is two mediocre DPS, where you're in a group of nice appreciative people and you're slowly working through the dungeon, giving everyone pointers, but just can't get past say, the last or second to last boss. The time invested has already been significant, you don't want to kick the DPS because they are nice and you've been working through the dungeon together as a team, but you can tell from experience the group just doesn't have the damage to complete it.

You end up burning all the time you had to play with nothing to show for it, except hopefully two slightly better informed DPS for the next group they run, which maybe will give you some good karma for the RNG gods.

DLC dungeons (normal or vet) really shouldn’t unlock in the queue until level 50 CP160.

ZoS is on some serious grass thinking a brand new player at level 45 is gonna queue a random, end up in Bloodroot Forge with a bunch of strangers, and have a good time.

I tried to do it again to test the stone keeper set. Tried to be friendly and didn't die. They almost blamed me again for the last boss. That's the reason why I'm so alone and never did dungeons for a long long time. I guess friendliness will not cut it anymore.

For the record, I'm not in a guild.

My policy is "you pull you tank" and mostly people stop doing that but other problems are the ones mentioned. Doing pledges with pug, or dungeons in general, is just not fun.

1 If anyone says skip trash, bosses only or some such I immediately drop out with any without any kind of explanation, I do this because they never listen and I can guarantee the run will not be fun. If someone is looking to skip 90% of the dungeon it’s almost certainly because they’re sick to death of running it, this will normally be because their RNG is not cooperating, which is the ground state of affairs. Let’s face it, RNG is simply a matter of making people replay the same content until well after the point where they don’t want to be there.

2 Avoid dungeons like Arx like the plague. I am absolutely sick to death of explaining to yet another group of arrogant newbies that sometimes you cannot stop the boss from going for a wander and that the snake red circle heals the dam thing!. Bosses have mechanics. These mechanics can and will override at taunt. Assuming that we don’t have any dps ice staffs lurking around I will keep the boss taunted, however you as a player have to accept that there are times when the boss will ignore that, often based on your actions! If the boss is preprogrammed to attack whoever is furthest from it and if you’re the one lurking at the back with your stupid bow bow healer then you’re going to catch it in the chops.

My main concern is fake tank in vet pledge... and even worst with dlc one!

the whole random vet queue system doesnt take into accounts average dps dps do

when you end up with 2 dps doing 20k in vet bc2 you cry as a tank

None of the above.

Real tanks are in short supply and high demand, enough to run mostly in pre-made groups with friends.

When I decide to run a vet pledge with any of my tanks, I have plenty of guild friends who will gladly join the run at the drop of a (c)hat. Occasionally, at weird hours, we queue for a random member or two, but for the most part I'm running with a full group of friends who can focus on having fun with neither drama nor grief.

I have had some bad, low-dps runs even with guild friends, sure, but then we can laugh it off and have fun trying. I have no qualms over spending a lot of time completing a normal DLC dungeon with people who communicate, stay in good spirits and enjoy the challenge.

It is really frustrating to play veteran dlc dungeons when all the group can do is 10 to 20 or 30k, even when you're using Alkosh, Power Assault, giving major breach, major fracture, using symphony and infused crusher enchant on staff lol

I guess thats summs it up:
That guy was a "DD" in Vet Maarselok



Nearly Max Chps., you actually ask them nicely to do things different and they even ignore you.
Groupkick is the only option but tbh. i cant stand such people anymore.

imagine somehow doing less dps than a trial tonk in yoln/alkosh/symphony
"parsers" with terrible dps failing mechanics a distant 2nd

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Calypso589 wrote: »

DLC dungeons (normal or vet) really shouldn’t unlock in the queue until level 50 CP160.

ZoS is on some serious grass thinking a brand new player at level 45 is gonna queue a random, end up in Bloodroot Forge with a bunch of strangers, and have a good time.

Considering I duo-ed nBRP with a level 20 tank one day on a toon of mine with pretty bad DPS(and I do mean bad...I averaged around 25k that run) I don't think normal difficulty is any type of problem...vet is something else

So, I decided to use GF for my tank. vCOH2...I knew it was going to be a slog when I saw one of the DPS using S&B on their back bar. Perhaps it was a PvP build? Anyway, I started tanking 4 ghosts...which turned to 6...then finally 10 before the boss was burned. Fun stuff.

I still use it, i just kick subpar dps