This all being said.... What plans does ZOS have for the Reach update? Further changes to vampire or will they completely ignore it?

Vevvev wrote: »

This all being said.... What plans does ZOS have for the Reach update? Further changes to vampire or will they completely ignore it?

IIRC, they said that they had no plans to change vampirism until much, much later. So we probably won't see any further adjustments or changes anytime soon. I'm seriously hoping they do take another look at this though and actually listen to the pain points with the line from players who actually play the line. As it stands, I don't believe for one second that any developer does. Especially considering how the 'Revamp' stream went down, not even showcasing a single ability, heavy Twitch chat moderation, and not even allowing us to ask questions to the developer that worked on it. Who also said with a rather happy tone that he's the guy that has a heavy hand in context to nerfs. But that's just me being salty, I'll admit that.

OmniDo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The "huge glaring issue" this shows me is the attitude that unless you are doing vet dungeons and trials you are insignificant, and not a real player.

Insignificant, possibly.
Unimportant? Likely.
Not a real player? Well obviously not, unless you're running a bot.

The points being made here are based upon mathematical facts, not "opinions".
Opinions are worthless as only facts matter to absolute outcomes.

That's something that I wish most people would understand, especially if they're basing their arguments with "You only took vampire for it's passives". Even with the passives, it wasn't a cakewalk and people think that just a few hundred points of regen somehow makes them a walking god. It never did.

More on the point; with Overland content, they never have to worry about what their group is actually doing, running, or what their playstyle is. When you introduce something that has far more negatives and weaknesses than positives and strengths into a core progression group, you're GOING to get benched. I did in several of my guilds because I'm still holding onto hope that they'll give this a relook and adjust accordingly to the major points of contention we have to go through in order to remain even just slightly 'viable'.

My main has been a vamp since launch, before I even knew about the passives, or anything about anything lol. I'm gonna have to cure her though if I want to keep raiding or finally finish vMA. I was excited when they first announced the changes, hoping that we'd have a good, fleshed out line with skills that we'd actually want on our bars and a lot more vampire flavour overall. To say I was disappointed is an understatement. The ult was my biggest disappointment, it looks pretty awful, doesn't do anything much and wears off too quickly. I used to just stay in stage 4 because I was too lazy to feed and now I just stay in stage 1 because I'm too lazy to feed and because what's the point really? If I increase my stage I'll just die quicker and run out of magicka casting class abilities ffs. It was fun to run around as a pool of blood and go invisible whilst sprinting at first, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly.

I really don't understand ZoS's reasoning here; year of the vampire, the skill line on sale for real money, you'd think they'd want to make it more attractive than ever to be a vampire, they could have done this without making something OP or ridiculously unbalanced instead they gave us this nightmarish rubbish. All they had to do was tweak the existing skills to make them more useful without being OP, add some cute little bat animations or something and make the whole package look more slick and boom job done.

That's great! Curses should be an uncommon choice.

Canned_Apples wrote: »

A lot of us used bat swarm and mist form.. some people even used invigorating drain.
The new ultimate looks like a joke. It’s a bad reskin of the necromancer ultimate. Very lazy.
The new skills (overall) are really bad..

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

i'm glad this happened. before everyone was a vampire because of only the passives. now it's not.
people who choose to be a vampire do it for other reasons now.

This. Both WW and Vampire should be conscious choices because you like the playstyle or RP. Everyone was a vamp before for the passives, now being a vampire isn't that great unless you really go in for the whole experience.

Big improvement, now I don't have to be a vamp just to be competitive in PvP.

Vampire was far from BiS in pvp. Dawnbreakers were hitting for a ton and all stamina classes were using it. If anything, it’s bis/mandatory for nb snipe/gank builds.

I've been playing with an interesting tanking mechanic using some of the new monster sets, though it's going to be really, REALLY niche. I'm not even sure it'll pan out. I think the only thing the line's good for right now is just tinkering and that's about it.

When Greymoore hit, my main vampire had 2 choices: to rp as vampire, and be a healer, or to rp as healer, and be a vampire. I chose first variant, especially since Zos graciously told us, that everyone strong enough, can make their own bloodlines. So I made a story, where my main is now rare variety vampire- pale, but not a common bloodfiend, like Lamae's vamps now. Ofc, I could play vampire and healer, but then I can also play without armor or spells, so why cripple my character? As for those, who believe that new vampires are good, please show, how good is vampire tank or vampire healer doing in vet trials. And vet arenas too, please.

vampire that are not cure at this time are prollly player that dont play anymore!

SilverBride wrote: »

I think you, and some others, are completely missing my point. I merely stated that Vampire is not just for role play now, as someone claimed, but can be viable for the way a lot of people play. I gave some examples of things I use it for to prove my point.

Overland content is role-playing content. It is intentionally designed to let you move away from the MMO gear/pvp treadmill and let your inhabit the role of the Vestige.

If you think saying it's role-playing only somehow invalidates your playstyle and opinion, then you should maybe reconsider how you view role-playing. It isn't solely group role-playing where people pretend to be certain characters and whisper each other silly jokes. There is also solo role-playing where you quest and explore and try to do things the way your vestige would do them.

Nevertheless, that content is intended to be much easier than the rest of the game. Every build is viable for it. So viability is not measured by that experience, but rather on the content where gear choices and skill choices have bigger consequences than something taking a bit more or less time.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Whenever I see someone say the Blood Scion looks good I keep looking back at this picture I took not too long ago.



And then I compare it to Lady Thorn



Ignore the wings and look at the skin textures and eyes for a bit. The Blood Scion literally just has the stage 4 eyes and a pink/purple skin that makes you think you're looking at an incredibly old person. Compare that to the Lady and despite the fact she is also super duper ugly you can tell a lot more work was put into making her look more menacing and vampiric. Blood Scions don't look like vampires to me, they look like overgrown ugly daedra in dire need of a skin care plan.

Ahem. I... I like Lady Thorn. Should I seek help?
(0_0)

Maybe, then again she does look more feminine than the female Blood Scion model...

Sephyr wrote: »

Curious though, is it just me or is she more gray-green than the other Vampire Lords we see?

She totally is and its like they actually went forward and tried to bring her in line with the Skyrim Vampire Lords being green/gray skinned.