Crystal Blast is Gone?

FlopsyPrince · September 2020

Did they decide my pet sorcs weren't easy enough to kill?

Really, really annoying!

EDIT: I guess I just lose the knockdown or was it splash damage, though both were very useful. Can't have those sorcs being too powerful in the upcoming IC event after all!

This will mean lots of trips to change the morph as well.

SydneyGrey · September 2020

They made one of the morphs a stamina morph in the last patch.

WARchief10K · September 2020

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They made one of the morphs a stamina morph in the last patch.

<eats popcorn>

Sure, encourage more perma aoe hurricane running stamsorcs.

Right around the same time "aoes were identified as the problem"

</eats popcorn>

danno8 · September 2020

WARchief10K wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They made one of the morphs a stamina morph in the last patch.

<eats popcorn>

Sure, encourage more perma aoe hurricane running stamsorcs.

Right around the same time "aoes were identified as the problem"

</eats popcorn>

Well Crystal Blast was an AoE, so haven't they eliminated one AoE and replaced it with a single target? Stam Sorcs just ran (still run) Dizzy/wrecking for the most part anyway.

Fur_like_snow · September 2020

Stam sorc had no in class spammable until the change. Use frags it was always the better magicka morph.

YandereGirlfriend · September 2020

WARchief10K wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They made one of the morphs a stamina morph in the last patch.

<eats popcorn>

Sure, encourage more perma aoe hurricane running stamsorcs.

Right around the same time "aoes were identified as the problem"

</eats popcorn>

Hurricane is the class's basic armor skill so I'm not really seeing what is cheesy or supposedly OP about using it.

markulrich1966 · September 2020

this change took all the fun from playing sorcerers for me. Certainly the worst nerf I encountered within the 3 years I play.

Was activated yesterday on xbox.
Tried magicka detonation from assault skills instead, no comparison

Canned_Apples · September 2020

markulrich1966 wrote: »

this change took all the fun from playing sorcerers for me. Certainly the worst nerf I encountered within the 3 years I play.

Was activated yesterday on xbox.
Tried magicka detonation from assault skills instead, no comparison

It wasn’t a nerf. They made the change to help provide “class identity” to Staminasorcs, but instead of making a viable skill they decided to copy and paste the chunkiest skill in game. Only ranged Magicka classes use the psijic skill for a reason.

It’s not nearly as bad as the DK spammable.

markulrich1966 · September 2020

Canned_Apples wrote: »

markulrich1966 wrote: »

this change took all the fun from playing sorcerers for me. Certainly the worst nerf I encountered within the 3 years I play.

Was activated yesterday on xbox.
Tried magicka detonation from assault skills instead, no comparison

It wasn’t a nerf. They made the change to help provide “class identity” to Staminasorcs, but instead of making a viable skill they decided to copy and paste the chunkiest skill in game. Only ranged Magicka classes use the psijic skill for a reason.

It’s not nearly as bad as the DK spammable.

It was a nerf of magsorc in favour of stamsorc.

If you remove the most powerfull AOE skill of a class (magsorc), it in first instance is a nerf.
I see no reason to soften this issue by using nice words like "change".

For me another nail in the coffin.
Problem is, that within 3 years I encounter more and more intended changes that destroy the fun I had playing the game.
So be it - new worlds are waiting.

Maiyu93 · September 2020

Glad its gone to be honest. FAAAAAR too many times i've been sick of seeing players just spam that in dungeons 500 times without applying any AOE's or Dots. Just press that one skill over and over and over and over and over and over.
Good riddance. Maybe they will learn what a rotation is now though that's still doubtful

madrab73 · September 2020

Magsorc did get a nerf but this wasn't it.

caperb · September 2020

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stam sorc had no in class spammable until the change. Use frags it was always the better magicka morph.

Magsorc still doesn't have a class spammable.

But not that this does matter. A very strong skill was nerfed here. Yes, for PvE DPS or a standard PvP build frags was the skill to choose. For high burst/gank/bomb builds blast was one of the strongest skills in the game. Because of its travel time, you could line up a lot of stuff to hit at the same time as the blast stun (overload light attack, elemental weapon, glyph proc etc.).

Indigogo · September 2020

caperb wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stam sorc had no in class spammable until the change. Use frags it was always the better magicka morph.

Magsorc still doesn't have a class spammable.

But not that this does matter. A very strong skill was nerfed here. Yes, for PvE DPS or a standard PvP build frags was the skill to choose. For high burst/gank/bomb builds blast was one of the strongest skills in the game. Because of its travel time, you could line up a lot of stuff to hit at the same time as the blast stun (overload light attack, elemental weapon, glyph proc etc.).

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.
I get the reasons why the change happened but it doesn't hurt any less to have my favourite toon completely broken.

FlopsyPrince · September 2020

caperb wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stam sorc had no in class spammable until the change. Use frags it was always the better magicka morph.

Magsorc still doesn't have a class spammable.

But not that this does matter. A very strong skill was nerfed here. Yes, for PvE DPS or a standard PvP build frags was the skill to choose. For high burst/gank/bomb builds blast was one of the strongest skills in the game. Because of its travel time, you could line up a lot of stuff to hit at the same time as the blast stun (overload light attack, elemental weapon, glyph proc etc.).

It really nerfed my play, and I already suck at PvP. I will adapt in PvE, most likely, but it was a horrible choice.

FlopsyPrince · September 2020

Indigogo wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stam sorc had no in class spammable until the change. Use frags it was always the better magicka morph.

Magsorc still doesn't have a class spammable.

But not that this does matter. A very strong skill was nerfed here. Yes, for PvE DPS or a standard PvP build frags was the skill to choose. For high burst/gank/bomb builds blast was one of the strongest skills in the game. Because of its travel time, you could line up a lot of stuff to hit at the same time as the blast stun (overload light attack, elemental weapon, glyph proc etc.).

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.
I get the reasons why the change happened but it doesn't hurt any less to have my favourite toon completely broken.

I have too many pet sorc alts and you are right about it used to being fun to play. Now they are all rather meh!

Didn't they nerf pet sorcs a while back already? I kept playing because I like the playstyle, not the dominance, which I didn't have. Now it is worse and I now lost a lot of ability I had.

I am unclear why they felt compelled to do this, but it seems like a dumb choice to me.

Lunerdog · September 2020

Was the one offensive skill my Magsorc kept on her resto bar.

*Puts resto staff into storage*

As for its replacement, my Stamsorc was not impressed.

They really don't play their own game do they ?

Fur_like_snow · September 2020

It’s clunky in melee but it works pretty well with a bow.

Syldras · September 2020

Indigogo wrote: »

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.

Yes. I've been playing my main like this for years now. Ah well. As I'm not willing to give him up, I think I'll have to work something out...

Any suggestions how to replace crystal blast? I'm especially missing the stun.

the1andonlyskwex · September 2020

Syldras wrote: »

Indigogo wrote: »

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.

Yes. I've been playing my main like this for years now. Ah well. As I'm not willing to give him up, I think I'll have to work something out...

Any suggestions how to replace crystal blast? I'm especially missing the stun.

Maybe Rune Cage, Streak, or Flame Clench (which is actually a knockback) for the stun. Shock Clench seems to have the most similar damage profile. There really isn't a good replacement for the Crystal Blast playstyle though.

Syldras · September 2020

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Maybe Rune Cage, Streak, or Flame Clench (which is actually a knockback) for the stun. Shock Clench seems to have the most similar damage profile. There really isn't a good replacement for the Crystal Blast playstyle though.

Thanks, I'll have a look!

I have already changed crystal weapon to the other morph (crystal fragments) because I got that suggestion, but... it's just not the same.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · September 2020

Mouahha !
You dirty little sorcerers you ! (jokes)

That's what you get for making us chase you for kilometres ^^

Linaleah · September 2020

honestly, I don't mind it being changed. i mind my skill point not being refunded to allow me to remorph on a spot. I used that morph on my magika sorc (don't @ me, I liked it) and now I basically have to pay full remorph price for one skill

I know, its not much, but its the principle of a thing.

wazzz56 · September 2020

wait is a pet sorc complaining?

Syldras · September 2020

Youyouz06 wrote: »

Mouahha !
You dirty little sorcerers you ! (jokes)
That's what you get for making us chase you for kilometres ^^

I never cared for PvP.

caperb · September 2020

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Indigogo wrote: »

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.

Yes. I've been playing my main like this for years now. Ah well. As I'm not willing to give him up, I think I'll have to work something out...

Any suggestions how to replace crystal blast? I'm especially missing the stun.

Maybe Rune Cage, Streak, or Flame Clench (which is actually a knockback) for the stun. Shock Clench seems to have the most similar damage profile. There really isn't a good replacement for the Crystal Blast playstyle though.

Shock clench was nerfed a couple of patches ago, it is now a low damage AoE attack. Flame Clench is a huge telegraph and is easily dodged, rune cage is even a worse telegraph and debately the worst stun in the game. The only usable hard CC magsorc still has in it's toolkit is streak, which is a situational skill.

For PvE, negate may work as a stun. Actually, it's 12 second duration is insane, though sorc is the only class without extra ulti gain from passives.

Daedric mines might work?

the1andonlyskwex · September 2020

caperb wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Indigogo wrote: »

This. My sorc specialized in snipey nukes at range and he was very, very effective.

Yes. I've been playing my main like this for years now. Ah well. As I'm not willing to give him up, I think I'll have to work something out...

Any suggestions how to replace crystal blast? I'm especially missing the stun.

Maybe Rune Cage, Streak, or Flame Clench (which is actually a knockback) for the stun. Shock Clench seems to have the most similar damage profile. There really isn't a good replacement for the Crystal Blast playstyle though.

Shock clench was nerfed a couple of patches ago, it is now a low damage AoE attack. Flame Clench is a huge telegraph and is easily dodged, rune cage is even a worse telegraph and debately the worst stun in the game. The only usable hard CC magsorc still has in it's toolkit is streak, which is a situational skill.

For PvE, negate may work as a stun. Actually, it's 12 second duration is insane, though sorc is the only class without extra ulti gain from passives.

Daedric mines might work?

Shock Clench has basically the same damage as any other non-DoT AoE. It also has some small single-target damage. It's as close as anything comes to Crystal Blast (which applied single-target levels of damage in an AoE). Unfortunately, nothing left in the game comes close to what Crystal Blast did. Any remaining AoE option available to a magsorcs is going to be about half as powerful as Crystal Blast. Shock Clench at least has similar targeting to Crystal Blast and does decent bonus damage to one of the targets.

As for the alternative stuns being telegraphed, they're not really any different from Crystal Blast in that respect. Crystal Blast had as big a telegraph as anything, and it was interruptible too.

Sarannah · September 2020

Today I logged in my level 42 sorc, and went questing... turns out my AOE crystal blast is gone. Atleast put the AOE on the magicka morph please. This AOE has a one second cooldown already(skill itself), so why not let us keep it?

FlopsyPrince · September 2020

Sarannah wrote: »

Today I logged in my level 42 sorc, and went questing... turns out my AOE crystal blast is gone. Atleast put the AOE on the magicka morph please. This AOE has a one second cooldown already(skill itself), so why not let us keep it?

It is almost like they went through their logs and said "which sorc skill is getting used the most?" "Remove it!"

I really, really miss that AOE and the knock down.

Beardimus · September 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Did they decide my pet sorcs weren't easy enough to kill?

Really, really annoying!

EDIT: I guess I just lose the knockdown or was it splash damage, though both were very useful. Can't have those sorcs being too powerful in the upcoming IC event after all!

This will mean lots of trips to change the morph as well.

Curious, what were you using it for? As Frag was the clear choice.

Blast had a place as a sorc ganker combined with Overload but after they nerfed Overload it really had no place with that hard cast

Beardimus · September 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Today I logged in my level 42 sorc, and went questing... turns out my AOE crystal blast is gone. Atleast put the AOE on the magicka morph please. This AOE has a one second cooldown already(skill itself), so why not let us keep it?

It is almost like they went through their logs and said "which sorc skill is getting used the most?" "Remove it!"

I really, really miss that AOE and the knock down.

I can't work out if this is sarcasm? Honnestly it's the least used skill. The hard cast was horrible, no place in PvP and for PvE the DPS was terrible.

If you want AOE just put down liquid lighting, elemental blockade and then go for your spammable so force pulse or clench or a heavy attack rotation.

Frag used to have a stun, and Frag losing that was one of the worst nerfs for sorcs. As now we need a CC, so I kinda get you missing the stun, but just not from crystal blast as it was a terrible skill compared to all other setups.

I don't disagree it was fun (with overload) but compared to an instant cast, higher damage cheaper Frag it's a no brainer.

Sarannah · September 2020

I really loved crystal blast, for me it was THE defining sorc class skill.

Some classes have an instant spammable skill which does more damage than crystal blast. Crystal blast isn't instant, and is now below average for DPS. Crystal blast compensated this by having an AOE and stun. So in it's current form, it either needs the stun(for PvP mostly), or the AOE(for PvE mostly) back. Or it should be made instant cast, but this I personally wouldn't prefer.

Not many players used it, but I loved it.

PS: The stun gave my pets time to engage the enemy.