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18 character slots is not enough.
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
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Aptonoth✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
Yep seems like an excuse to save money and make cheaper expansions rather than make real ones. If I'm right and next year's cyrodil expansion is low on content and uses another recycled story from Else and Greymoore I'm moving to FF14 full time. Their gamescom interview was a complete disaster. WoW has 40 trucking slots man.1 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭This game has been going for years at this point and character slots are getting tight. Can we please get a big slot increase? Even an additional 2 would go a long ways. It doesn’t seem to be ending any time soon either.
I agree whole heartedly.
As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
I don't believe. ESO should be a copy paste of other games. Yet they can learn how to improve upon this game through other game's successes and capitalise by make their customers happy at the same time.Edited by Arrodisia on September 4, 2020 1:42PM8 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.4 -
Giraffon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get a second account? I know there are downsides to this, but if you are playing so much that you can handle more than 18 character slots, maybe it's time.
Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!2 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
Cold Storage has not been introduced yet. It's scheduled but not implemented. If you check the Performance Improvements Plan, Cold Storage is scheduled to be implemented in Update 28. I don't think we've heard any more about it since then.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
@DaveMoeDee The quote below, makes a complete and utter nonsense of any and all arguments that its somehow space or retrieval/write performance preventing ESO from having more than 18 character slots in total.
As for your point about character slots, "why not 24, why not 32 etc", and? The point is at this stage of the game, with players here for over 5 years, we need more than 18. Fact. Again, see the numbers of character slots other mmos have. But quite apart from this, see my earlier comments. Its 36, that is the golden MINIMUM number, because this allows one of every class, both mag and stam for dps, + healer, + tank + pvp characters.juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
And if you STILL dont think ESO needs more character slots, just take a look at this poll. We do, unequivocally and its time to stop making silly excuses for Zos.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1
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Aptonoth✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
@DaveMoeDee The quote below, makes a complete and utter nonsense of any and all arguments that its somehow space or retrieval/write performance preventing ESO from having more than 18 character slots in total.
As for your point about character slots, "why not 24, why not 32 etc", and? The point is at this stage of the game, with players here for over 5 years, we need more than 18. Fact. Again, see the numbers of character slots other mmos have. But quite apart from this, see my earlier comments. Its 36, that is the golden MINIMUM number, because this allows one of every class, both mag and stam for dps, + healer, + tank + pvp characters.juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
And if you STILL dont think ESO needs more character slots, just take a look at this poll. We do, unequivocally and its time to stop making silly excuses for Zos.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1
This is so true ESO team are being lazy *** or their publisher is making them. It should be 4 slots per class.4 -
lurkin777✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »I dislike the cap on character slots. If someone wants to be spend crowns to get more, why not?
Characters require database storage, so it is not just a simple matter of buying them in the Crown Store.
Database space shouldn't be an issue as it is cheap except that that little money cuts into their profits!
Everything is about money with this game now!!2 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Get a second account? I know there are downsides to this, but if you are playing so much that you can handle more than 18 character slots, maybe it's time.
Once they introduced chapters, having multiple accounts (and for the record I have 3) became too expensive. Yes, I would and have sprung for ESO unlimited on my main account and "every so often" on my second account (never on the third) but the combination of "need chapters" and "need ESO membership" is just too freakin much.
As it is, there are horses, skins and stuff on my second account that I will never (likely) get to have on the main.
Like I said the use of Chapters, basically shot the practicality of "having a second account" in the foot.
Now, ZoS'-ites, pick up the slack and start increasing my max characters to 57.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
@DaveMoeDee The quote below, makes a complete and utter nonsense of any and all arguments that its somehow space or retrieval/write performance preventing ESO from having more than 18 character slots in total.
As for your point about character slots, "why not 24, why not 32 etc", and? The point is at this stage of the game, with players here for over 5 years, we need more than 18. Fact. Again, see the numbers of character slots other mmos have. But quite apart from this, see my earlier comments. Its 36, that is the golden MINIMUM number, because this allows one of every class, both mag and stam for dps, + healer, + tank + pvp characters.juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
And if you STILL dont think ESO needs more character slots, just take a look at this poll. We do, unequivocally and its time to stop making silly excuses for Zos.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1
You do realize this isn't Wow, right? This also isn't SWTOR. This is ESO, in case you are on the wrong site. It doesn't matter what is performant on WoW. That isn't necessarily performant here. They have to set character limits based on what will work in ESO right now, not based on theoretical limits. I've never played those games so I can't say anything about them.
Personally, I want more slots.0 -
Xebov✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
Thats not how Database servers work.
Servers use special HDDs that are made for 24/7 work and are more expansive than the ones you would use at home for your movie collection. For every TB of space you get you need multiplies of that for backup storage and the local raid system. On top of that you also need additional power on the server itself because bigger databases are slower to query. This can easily become very expansive.
You also have to keep in mind that every character stores alot of data and they have to think about if its worth to do the investment vs the amount of players that would actually buy the slots.0 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
Thats not how Database servers work.
Servers use special HDDs that are made for 24/7 work and are more expansive than the ones you would use at home for your movie collection. For every TB of space you get you need multiplies of that for backup storage and the local raid system. On top of that you also need additional power on the server itself because bigger databases are slower to query. This can easily become very expansive.
You also have to keep in mind that every character stores alot of data and they have to think about if its worth to do the investment vs the amount of players that would actually buy the slots.
Have the extra slot tie in with eso+
That way you continiouly pay for the space of your extra slot loosing/canceling your eso+ would reduce your max charachter limit to 18 making you chose wich one to lock and send to that cold storage scheduled with u27
After a continious year or 2 without paying for a eso+ those character would be deleted
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FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
@DaveMoeDee The quote below, makes a complete and utter nonsense of any and all arguments that its somehow space or retrieval/write performance preventing ESO from having more than 18 character slots in total.
As for your point about character slots, "why not 24, why not 32 etc", and? The point is at this stage of the game, with players here for over 5 years, we need more than 18. Fact. Again, see the numbers of character slots other mmos have. But quite apart from this, see my earlier comments. Its 36, that is the golden MINIMUM number, because this allows one of every class, both mag and stam for dps, + healer, + tank + pvp characters.juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
And if you STILL dont think ESO needs more character slots, just take a look at this poll. We do, unequivocally and its time to stop making silly excuses for Zos.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1
You do realize this isn't Wow, right? This also isn't SWTOR. This is ESO, in case you are on the wrong site. It doesn't matter what is performant on WoW. That isn't necessarily performant here. They have to set character limits based on what will work in ESO right now, not based on theoretical limits. I've never played those games so I can't say anything about them.
Personally, I want more slots.
Some here think that ESO can't have something merely because another MMO has it. That is a foolish idea.
I do not need more characters now and doubt I will anytime soon, but it should be doable given where modern database technology is. Their argument against it is quite weak.PC
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Cloudtrader✭✭✭✭✭I would like to have 20 character slots so I could have 2 of each race, please. Even more would be better for all the people who want more, obviously. I really don't understand why people are objecting to more character slots... what people do on their accounts really doesn't hurt others.
20 character slots make sense to have a male and a female character of each race.Edited by Cloudtrader on September 6, 2020 2:17AM1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭My god!! I'm sitting on 8 charcters and I think that is a bit too much for, thinking about deleting least used charcters, and people think 18 slots are not enough
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stefj68✭✭✭✭✭i would like at least 24 character slot... tank / healer / stam dps / mag dps x 6 class
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
What does the nature of bits (1s and 0s) have to do with retrieval and write performance? I don't understand why people love mentioning 1s and 0s as an argument. Do you consider it persuasive if I make an argument about pickup up a car that is just a bunch of atoms?
Maybe if you compared to other systems that handle that load fine, we could have a decent discussion. We already know that they already introduced cold storage for characters like a year ago. I personally have no idea if they believe adding more slots will lead to performance issues right now.
It is common in conversations like this for people to say 'why 18? why not 24?' Thing is, when we are at 24, there will still be people who say, 'why just 24? why not 32?' It just keeps going like that. I would like more slots, but I know I am in a small minority. The number of people who want good performance when selecting a characters is a lot more, approximately 100% of players. Can the system handle 32? Probably, but they shouldn't be trying to reach capacity. And while only a small minority of us will buy the 19th character slot, adding a new class will lead to an immediate spike in character count.
@DaveMoeDee The quote below, makes a complete and utter nonsense of any and all arguments that its somehow space or retrieval/write performance preventing ESO from having more than 18 character slots in total.
As for your point about character slots, "why not 24, why not 32 etc", and? The point is at this stage of the game, with players here for over 5 years, we need more than 18. Fact. Again, see the numbers of character slots other mmos have. But quite apart from this, see my earlier comments. Its 36, that is the golden MINIMUM number, because this allows one of every class, both mag and stam for dps, + healer, + tank + pvp characters.juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »As of patch 8.1.5, a player may create a maximum number of fifty characters per account on any realm in WoW.
As of 2020, the maximum amount of characters you can have on any server in SWTOR without paid unlocks is 24, with paid unlocks it's 100.
Final Fantasy allows 40 characters in total for subs
Guild Wars 2 allows 69 characters per account.
And if you STILL dont think ESO needs more character slots, just take a look at this poll. We do, unequivocally and its time to stop making silly excuses for Zos.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493216/how-many-characters-do-you-have/p1
You do realize this isn't Wow, right? This also isn't SWTOR. This is ESO, in case you are on the wrong site. It doesn't matter what is performant on WoW. That isn't necessarily performant here. They have to set character limits based on what will work in ESO right now, not based on theoretical limits. I've never played those games so I can't say anything about them.
Personally, I want more slots.
Some here think that ESO can't have something merely because another MMO has it. That is a foolish idea.
I do not need more characters now and doubt I will anytime soon, but it should be doable given where modern database technology is. Their argument against it is quite weak.
I can't speak for the people you are talking about because I'm not sure I've met them.
The state of modern database tech is irrelevant to the question of whether they should increase max characters. All that matters is how their system performs.
Sure, it is fair to criticize them if they did a poor job, but that is a different issue. They have to make decisions about character count based on actual performance in their system. If the performance plummets after allowing for the increased character count, players will be very unhappy.1 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We need 6 slots for each class. Each class plays differently and uses didn’t skills. I should not have to have a second account to maximize all the possible play combination.
1 Tank
1 Healer
1 Mag DPS
1 Stam DPS
1 Stam PVP
1 Mag PVP
In short, we need 36 slots.
Be safe and have fun
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guul✭✭✭One additional character slot for each new theme of crate will be fine. (So default 8 + crates 15 =23 for now)0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get a second account? I know there are downsides to this, but if you are playing so much that you can handle more than 18 character slots, maybe it's time.
I think Ive covered that. It is ridiculous that anyone should have to get more than one account to enjoy creating and using characters. Its also simply not viable or practical for most people who need more slots, think about the time and effort required to level to 810 CP and unlock all the skill lines, all the maps, all the stories, all the achievements.Grianasteri wrote: »Well, I don't want to dissapoint you guys, but Matt Firor and Rich Lambert said last week on Twitch that there are no more charakter slots coming. It would be to much data work for them to handle if I remember right.
Frankly I think that’s complete nonsense re data/storage. The idea that Zos cannot or will not expand their capacity to meet player needs is actually insulting, particularly for paying customers. Its just an excuse and a really really bad one.
Were talking about 1s and 0s data stored on a server here.
If space is REALLY that much of an issue, then put all the accounts that have never logged in for over a year into “cold storage” or something.
And as a side, if there is no new race or class coming even next year, that’s actually going to be quite a few years without such additional content. Again, not really acceptable.
Thats not how Database servers work.
Servers use special HDDs that are made for 24/7 work and are more expansive than the ones you would use at home for your movie collection. For every TB of space you get you need multiplies of that for backup storage and the local raid system. On top of that you also need additional power on the server itself because bigger databases are slower to query. This can easily become very expansive.
You also have to keep in mind that every character stores alot of data and they have to think about if its worth to do the investment vs the amount of players that would actually buy the slots.
Youre making poor excuses for a multi million pound company, not providing additional storage required for paying customers to have additional characters... meanwhile other huge, successful MMO games provide double or even 5 times more character slots.
Please can people stop arguing that ESO is magically different. Yes its different, but its still data, its still an MMO, its still just storage.Edited by Grianasteri on September 8, 2020 3:22PM5 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭We need 6 slots for each class. Each class plays differently and uses didn’t skills. I should not have to have a second account to maximize all the possible play combination.
1 Tank
1 Healer
1 Mag DPS
1 Stam DPS
1 Stam PVP
1 Mag PVP
In short, we need 36 slots.
Be safe and have fun
EXACTLY the point I am making, the magic MINIMUM number is 36. But some people feel compelled to make excuses for ZOS. Meanwhile other huge, successful MMOs do not have such ridiculously limited character slot availability, making a mockery of all these excuses from players and from Zos.2 -
SeanBlader✭✭✭LOL, this thread is funny. Back in my day we had one character slot. If you wanted another you had to pay the monthly fee for a second account, there was no free to play.0 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Players have already set the precedent for secondary accounts. You can find people here who have 3 or 4 with plans to get another. Dont ask me why. But the fact that some are willing to open additional accounts makes it highly un-likely that you will get additional slots. (Slightly more likely than world peace spontaneously erupting, only slightly)
Furthermore, what about those weirdos who have multiple accounts? Are they hosed, or some kinda account merger? You think zos will accommodate your wants over the customers have paid for a work around?
And yes it is a want not a need.1 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thechuckage wrote: »Players have already set the precedent for secondary accounts. You can find people here who have 3 or 4 with plans to get another. Dont ask me why. But the fact that some are willing to open additional accounts makes it highly un-likely that you will get additional slots. (Slightly more likely than world peace spontaneously erupting, only slightly)
Furthermore, what about those weirdos who have multiple accounts? Are they hosed, or some kinda account merger? You think zos will accommodate your wants over the customers have paid for a work around?
And yes it is a want not a need.
Its a "want" that multiple other MMOs seem to accommodate with consummate ease. Funny that.
Without the provision of this "want", it is not possible to experience the game that Zos have produced, in terms of the division of magica and stamina characters, and the roles, healer, tank, dps, and pvp. I am unsure why some people think it is acceptable to literally only be able to fully and efficiently enjoy 50% of what is on offer (and even then only after paying).
So I would say it isnt a want, its a need, in order to fully experience the game that Zos has produced.1 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thechuckage wrote: »Players have already set the precedent for secondary accounts.
Yes, back before "chapters" were a thing, and ESO membership included all content, yes it was workable to have more than one account.
Now with "chapters", not to mention crown gem exclusives, it's now longer workable.
Yes, I have three accounts, but for the last few years, I rarely actively play more than one.
Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis2 -
Cryptical✭✭✭✭✭
✭If Zos says no more character slots are coming, it must mean that the great majority of the player base is just fine with the current limit.
So, from that we can deduce that the people who want “moar Moar MOAR” are so few in number that their desire for “MOAR SLOTS” can be safely ignored.
Safely ignored.
The logic isn’t hard.Edited by Cryptical on September 8, 2020 10:08PMXbox NA0 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »Players have already set the precedent for secondary accounts. You can find people here who have 3 or 4 with plans to get another. Dont ask me why. But the fact that some are willing to open additional accounts makes it highly un-likely that you will get additional slots. (Slightly more likely than world peace spontaneously erupting, only slightly)
Furthermore, what about those weirdos who have multiple accounts? Are they hosed, or some kinda account merger? You think zos will accommodate your wants over the customers have paid for a work around?
And yes it is a want not a need.
Its a "want" that multiple other MMOs seem to accommodate with consummate ease. Funny that.
Irrelevant. People have shown a willingness to buy more accounts, do you really think Zos of all companies is going to cut off revenue?Grianasteri wrote: »the provision of this "want", it is not possible to experience the game that Zos have produced, in terms of the division of magica and stamina characters, and the roles, healer, tank, dps, and pvp. I am unsure why some people think it is acceptable to literally only be able to fully and efficiently enjoy 50% of what is on offer (and even then only after paying).
So I would say it isnt a want, its a need, in order to fully experience the game that Zos has produced.
It is possible to experience the whole game with a single character. Now if you want to explore every little faucet, every possible permutation, then yes you are going to need a few more. Of course now we get fully into the semantics of the argument.
Setting that aside, how will people get compensated? Paid cash for that second account, have to give em something. Crowns, free ESO+, what have you.
And, for the sake of argument, someone with full banks on those account. Bank expansion? Zos has already shut that one down. And that is one singular issue.
Players found a work around. Is it good? Hell no. Is it likely to change? *Looks at recent decisions* Actions kinda speak for themselves.
Edited by Thechuckage on September 8, 2020 10:46PM1 -
sentientomega✭✭✭As I play on both servers, 80 slots on each would be fine, I've got chars all ready to fill them pretty much the moment the extra 62 each become available. Have had for about a year, really. No, I'm not making another account, I play on Steam.
The PTS is really useful for that sort of thing, and so long as you take pics of char select and char creation, they characters sort of come alive, even if you can't yet play them on live. These characters live, thanks to their PTS screenies and backgrounds and biographies.
I'm an avid RPer, and I wonder how much hostility that fact is going to draw here. Just what is it with the rabid hostility towards RPers and people wanting plentiful character slots?3
