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Rapid should unlock first
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Malkalm✭✭other I will explain in commentsOther, because i like yellow.
They could lower the requirements as others suggested or instead of meddling with skill unlocks, why they just not make a PVE version of it? Maybe it could be put in to the soul magic skill line? Or make an entirely new skill line with some utility skills and passives? Most of the skills are combat related given the nature of the game.
Stamina heal and faster mount speed could make some sense in soul magic, they could even give it a magicka morph .
It is relatively easy to level up soul magic for pve players ,as it is easy to level up aliance war for pvp ones.
Also these pve versions could have different effect, instead of affecting group it would just affect you, for PVE rapids they could give you minor gallop also in one of its morphs , because as i can recall there is no source of this yet in the game.
The PVE version of vigor could be instant heal instead HOT.
Both versions having some pros and cons and not being entirely same would work for me. This is just my thought and is unlikely to happen, but one can dream.
I'll surely miss the rapids, it wasn't necessary skill, but it was definetly nice utility. I can do without it and maybe one day i'll unlock it on my other characters, by becoming the best stone mason and carpenter in Cyrodiil! Atleast my stamina characters have decent heal now, that is very handy. It's something for something i guess, i just wish it was done differently.
Better try something and fail , than don't do anything and not know the result.
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Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭noAre we still on about this?.. geez, get over it!
For the amount of speed and QoL rapids (apparently) gives, it should be earned. Level 5 doesn't take long, and I'm a non-PvPer!
PS: In my opinion they should put Rapids even higher. New characters shouldn't have uber speed, this is what horsetraining is for.Edited by Sarannah on September 2, 2020 11:35AM2 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesAre we still on about this?.. geez, get over it!
For the amount of speed and QoL rapids (apparently) gives, it should be earned. Level 5 doesn't take long, and I'm a non-PvPer!
PS: In my opinion they should put Rapids even higher. New characters shouldn't have uber speed, this is what horsetraining is for.
Then why was the change for Vigor even needed, sta classes should have "just gotten over it." New sta classes should not have an end game heal, the resto staff was for new sta class heals.
Edited by Sgrug on September 2, 2020 11:50AM5 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭marius_buys wrote: »(...)this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.(...)
If anyone in the group uses the ability, all the players in a certain range (not to far from the caster) will get the buff.
"Mobilize your forces, granting Major and Minor Expedition to you and your group, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% and 10% respectively, for 8 seconds. You and your group also gain Major Gallop, increasing your Mounted Speed by 30% for 30 seconds"
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭yesSilverBride wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »Rapids is so universally useful, they should just take it out of alliance war skills, put it in the world skills and have it an auto unlock at level 1.
This would totally negate having to level your mount. I don't think they are going to do that.
So giving it at level 10 when you likely only have a handful of mount levels trained is all good, but giving it right away negates the entire thing? I'm not understanding the logic of your well thought out counterargument.
You do realize that mount speed stacks with rapids, right?
A lot of people got rapids for mules, crafters, gatherers, and never trained their mount speed up. If these people don't level their mount speed, and more and more follow suit (because everyone has rapids at level 1 with no effort at all) it soon loses its purpose.
They want leveling your character and your mounts to take time. It keeps you in the game longer.
This really only hinders newer players, if I want to lvl a new toon I'll just skyreach to 50 than equip wild hunt ring to get around, or get a friend to pick up wayshrines.
I remember when they used to nerf grinding spots in order to make questing a more appealing way to lvl up.
This change completely removed any desire I had to do any quests sub lvl 50.3 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭other I will explain in commentsmarius_buys wrote: »A new character at level 10 has had only 1 day to train their horse, this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.
I've never used Rapids, but isn't it a group buff?redlink1979 wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »(...)this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.(...)
If anyone in the group uses the ability, all the players in a certain range (not to far from the caster) will get the buff.
"Mobilize your forces, granting Major and Minor Expedition to you and your group, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% and 10% respectively, for 8 seconds. You and your group also gain Major Gallop, increasing your Mounted Speed by 30% for 30 seconds"
Yes. The way this works is: Group assembles outside keep. One or more people activate rapids to buff the group. Group takes off. Slower mounts start lagging behind. Rapids runs out. Group is rebuffed, but the people that had slower horses are out of range for it, unless someone purposefully stays behind to buff them again.
I remember when rapids just buffed anyone close to you. It was very easy to buff other players as you rode by them.
Which is probably also why we have so many "I never see anyone using rapids" posts. If it still buffed everyone around you regardless of group, you'd realize how many people use it.The Moot Councillor4 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭other I will explain in commentsYes. The way this works is: Group assembles outside keep. One or more people activate rapids to buff the group. Group takes off. Slower mounts start lagging behind. Rapids runs out. Group is rebuffed, but the people that had slower horses are out of range for it, unless someone purposefully stays behind to buff them again.
It also only hits a max of 12 players, so if you are in a large group and only one person casts, you can be left behind from the start.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭marius_buys wrote: »A new character at level 10 has had only 1 day to train their horse, this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.
I've never used Rapids, but isn't it a group buff?redlink1979 wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »(...)this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.(...)
If anyone in the group uses the ability, all the players in a certain range (not to far from the caster) will get the buff.
"Mobilize your forces, granting Major and Minor Expedition to you and your group, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% and 10% respectively, for 8 seconds. You and your group also gain Major Gallop, increasing your Mounted Speed by 30% for 30 seconds"
Yes. The way this works is: Group assembles outside keep. One or more people activate rapids to buff the group. Group takes off. Slower mounts start lagging behind. Rapids runs out. Group is rebuffed, but the people that had slower horses are out of range for it, unless someone purposefully stays behind to buff them again.
I remember when rapids just buffed anyone close to you. It was very easy to buff other players as you rode by them.
Which is probably also why we have so many "I never see anyone using rapids" posts. If it still buffed everyone around you regardless of group, you'd realize how many people use it.
Yes and it was a dratted nuisance when strolling about casually in places like Daggerfall and Vulkhel Guard only to be hit by an unwanted AOE buff. I was so pleased when ZOS responded to the complaints and made it group only.
So if it was still an AOE buff it would tell you how many people receive it whether or not they want it, not how many people use it.
Not everyone is in a hurry, and many including me hardly ever use a mount even because getting around is more about the journey than the destination and there are frequent stops for harvesting and fishing etc.0 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
Edit:
1. If you want to PVP on stam, you also need to stay alive more than you need to be fast. Especially when not in Cyro.
2. How many thread there are about rapids already?..Edited by Nairinhe on September 2, 2020 3:04PM1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesIf you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
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SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nomarius_buys wrote: »A new character at level 10 has had only 1 day to train their horse, this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.
I've never used Rapids, but isn't it a group buff?
Yes it is. That is a very good point. You will benefit from someone in the group using the skill as much as you would if you used it yourself.PCNA0 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesIf you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.0 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
Ah, you meant all those threads. Nope, going to take your word on that, then.
As for resto, I'm concerned with giving up back bar weapon for a heal even more than with the quality of that heal.1 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesIf you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
Ah, you meant all those threads. Nope, going to take your word on that, then.
As for resto, I'm concerned with giving up back bar weapon for a heal even more than with the quality of that heal.
Why look here is another post just now.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/542860/rapids-at-rank-5-creates-a-catch-22#latest
So hard to find.0 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭yesSilverBride wrote: »marius_buys wrote: »A new character at level 10 has had only 1 day to train their horse, this prevents players from keeping up with a group in Cyrodiil.
I've never used Rapids, but isn't it a group buff?
Yes it is. That is a very good point. You will benefit from someone in the group using the skill as much as you would if you used it yourself.
By similar logic you could say the same about Vigor. You don't need it yourself, just stand near someone using Echoing Vigor and you'll get the same effect as you would if you used it yourself.2 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭noIf you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesThechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)Thechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)
Why don't sta users have an endless supply of heal potions available? Seriously the issue is not about consumables and consumables are not the answer, otherwise my statement about heal pots would have been a reason not to even change things to begin with.
The same reason heal posts were not the answer to Vigor is the same reason sped pots are not the answer to rapids.Edited by Sgrug on September 2, 2020 5:22PM2 -
Hamish999✭✭✭✭✭
✭noI have 12 toons, all of them have Alliance War high enough to get rapids at it's new level (I have 3 dedicated PvP toons, the rest are PvE).
Not a single one of them has it slotted. It is a waste of a skill slot as far as I'm concerned. You don't need it in PvE and if you are in a group in Cyrodiil then someone else will have it, if not I'll still get there.
Edit: And stop with these threads already, you had weeks to start levelling Alliance War before it went live. It's on you that you didn't go to Cyrodiil, LFG and follow a group for an hour before the change happened.Edited by Hamish999 on September 2, 2020 5:28PMPC-EUDo'Zahra - Khajiit - StamDK - AD
Narese Telvanni - Dunmer - Petsorc - EP
Anastasie Chastain - Breton - Magplar - DC
Gashnakh the Lusty - Orc - Stamsorc - AD
Stands-In-Stoopid - Argonian - Warden Tank - AD
Talia al-Morwha - Redguard - Stamden - AD
Makes-Fier-Wrong - Argonian - Stamblade - AD
Busty-Argonian-Maid - Argonian - Templar Healer - AD
Alaru Telvanni - Dunmer - Stamplar - AD
Ko'Raehsi - Khajiit - Magsorc - AD
Torhild Rock-Chucker - Nord - StamDK - AD
Drusilla Larouche - Breton - MagDK - AD
Ko'Khanni - Khajiit - Magden - AD
Ilithyia Ectorius - Imperial - DK Tank -AD
Rosara Laumont - Breton - Warden Healer - AD
Do'Darri - Khajiit - Stam Arcanist - AD
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J0hnWick3dSoul ShrivenyesFavor Rapids to be unlocked first, but its not gonna change no matter how much we whine unless a huge majority of players bring this up.0
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesI have 12 toons, all of them have Alliance War high enough to get rapids at it's new level.
Not a single one of them has it slotted. It is a waste of a skill slot as far as I'm concerned. You don't need it in PvE and if you are in a group in Cyrodiil then someone else will have it, if not I'll still get there.
And again no one is taking anything away from you. I see no reason why Vigor needed changed, I have 4 sta toons and NONE of them use it. I also do not tell others how to enjoy a game..
Rapids being made a little easier to obtain impacts no one negatively. I am amazed at how many just want to make others NOT enjoy the game because their opinion is different. Especially given the proposed changes have 0 impact on anyone who does not use rapids.Edited by Sgrug on September 2, 2020 5:27PM8 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭noThechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)Thechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)
Why don't sta users have an endless supply of heal potions available? Seriously the issue is not about consumables and consumables are not the answer, otherwise my statement about heal pots would have been a reason not to even change things to begin with.
The same reason heal posts were not the answer to Vigor is the same reason sped pots are not the answer to rapids.
My point was that giving up a backbar weapon is unfeasible esp when there is a single slot skill that will do the job. Stam players nerfing themselves is not reasonable suggestion.
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Hamish999✭✭✭✭✭
✭noI have 12 toons, all of them have Alliance War high enough to get rapids at it's new level.
Not a single one of them has it slotted. It is a waste of a skill slot as far as I'm concerned. You don't need it in PvE and if you are in a group in Cyrodiil then someone else will have it, if not I'll still get there.
And again no one is taking anything away from you. I see no reason why Vigor needed changed, I have 4 sta toons and NONE of them use it. I also do not tell others how to enjoy a game..
Rapids being made a little easier to obtain impacts no one negatively. I am amazed at how many just want to make others NOT enjoy the game because their opinion is different. Especially given the proposed changes have 0 impact on anyone who does not use rapids.
7 of my 12 toons use vigor, would have been much easier to get back when I hated PvP at level 1. It wasn't and I sucked it up and went and got it on all 7 of them. Then found out PvP isn't that bad after all.
So I've done exactly what you are all crying about, just do it.PC-EUDo'Zahra - Khajiit - StamDK - AD
Narese Telvanni - Dunmer - Petsorc - EP
Anastasie Chastain - Breton - Magplar - DC
Gashnakh the Lusty - Orc - Stamsorc - AD
Stands-In-Stoopid - Argonian - Warden Tank - AD
Talia al-Morwha - Redguard - Stamden - AD
Makes-Fier-Wrong - Argonian - Stamblade - AD
Busty-Argonian-Maid - Argonian - Templar Healer - AD
Alaru Telvanni - Dunmer - Stamplar - AD
Ko'Raehsi - Khajiit - Magsorc - AD
Torhild Rock-Chucker - Nord - StamDK - AD
Drusilla Larouche - Breton - MagDK - AD
Ko'Khanni - Khajiit - Magden - AD
Ilithyia Ectorius - Imperial - DK Tank -AD
Rosara Laumont - Breton - Warden Healer - AD
Do'Darri - Khajiit - Stam Arcanist - AD
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Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
Ah, you meant all those threads. Nope, going to take your word on that, then.
As for resto, I'm concerned with giving up back bar weapon for a heal even more than with the quality of that heal.
Why look here is another post just now.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/542860/rapids-at-rank-5-creates-a-catch-22#latest
So hard to find.
My #latest isn't your #latest. I think I've made it clear enough that I assumed you spoke about this thread and that I've no interest in reading through all of the others. It's not hard to find, I'm just not going to look there. It's all same chewing on a dead horse by now.
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesThechuckage wrote: »Thechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)Thechuckage wrote: »If you want to PVE on stamina you need vigor, but don't really need rapids.
If you want to PVP you'll unlock rapids soon enough anyway. Definitely sooner than PVE-er who never even wanted to PVP would unlock vigor before.
No you did not need Vigor, many posters have already attested to that. Plus just use a resto staff then until you can get it. Really no diff execpt noe rapids takes it's place and ther eis no real solution to it other than grinding it.
Resto? On stamina? Am I missing something?
Also didn't find where someone said that one doesn't need vigor, would you kindly throw a link to a comment or two?
If you did not see the multiple comments about vigor not being needed in these threads I am not going to do your work for you. I have seen both those saying it is needed and those saying it is not. I am of the opinion it is not needed as much as most who want it say it is.
As for resto yes, I know it is magicka, so? It heals not much different than magika users relying on sta to run, use to be horrible but magika users lived with it then.
why dont the mag users just have a supply of speed pots to run fast? Actually that would be less disruptive than giving up an entire bar for healing, as opposed to a single slot (vigor)
Why don't sta users have an endless supply of heal potions available? Seriously the issue is not about consumables and consumables are not the answer, otherwise my statement about heal pots would have been a reason not to even change things to begin with.
The same reason heal posts were not the answer to Vigor is the same reason sped pots are not the answer to rapids.
My point was that giving up a backbar weapon is unfeasible esp when there is a single slot skill that will do the job. Stam players nerfing themselves is not reasonable suggestion.
No one is asking sta to get nerfed or to change Vigor back, All posters are asking for is to make Rapids easier to get, level 3 for example. Or move it to the support line, or have grandfathered it for those who already had it and used it for 6 years. How do these points keep getting ignored?
I fail to see how speed pots have anything to do with this in the context of the posted threads on this issueEdited by Sgrug on September 2, 2020 5:36PM0 -
JoeCapricorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭yesGlad to see a poll so I can vote yes.I simp for vampire lords and Glemyos Wildhorn2 -
Xebov✭✭✭✭✭
✭noIt was a complete logical choice to make this change.
Vigor is a requirement for Builds and is a must have for some characters. Rapid on the other hand is just convenience. You will not get issues making a build just because you dont have Rapid.
What ppl have to realize is that this change aims for newer players and PvE players that had issues getting the skill and now have an easier time getting it.
The forums are mostly populated by senior players and for them the change is mostly inconvenient. They end up with more characters using rapid than they use Vigor on so it is more convenient to farm AP on some for Vigor than it is to farm AP on all for Rapid.
Now we have this "discussion" going on where ppl spinning their little theories and made up their minds already and realy wonder why the Devs dont say anything about it because it would just be a waste of time.3 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭yesIt was a complete logical choice to make this change.
Vigor is a requirement for Builds and is a must have for some characters. Rapid on the other hand is just convenience. You will not get issues making a build just because you dont have Rapid.
What ppl have to realize is that this change aims for newer players and PvE players that had issues getting the skill and now have an easier time getting it.
The forums are mostly populated by senior players and for them the change is mostly inconvenient. They end up with more characters using rapid than they use Vigor on so it is more convenient to farm AP on some for Vigor than it is to farm AP on all for Rapid.
Now we have this "discussion" going on where ppl spinning their little theories and made up their minds already and realy wonder why the Devs dont say anything about it because it would just be a waste of time.
And again there was always a heal for new players, use the resto. Low levels are not even around long.
AND to REPEAT OVER AND OVER
NO ONE IS SUGGESTING TO TAKE AWAY VIGOR. Posters just want rapids moved to level 3 or swapped with the support line or in the case of those who had it previously just grandfather it.
This poll is the result of the frustration of the Devs not listening to feedback on the previous non impacting solutionsEdited by Sgrug on September 2, 2020 6:22PM4 -
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✭noCant you guys just accept it and move forward???
Under the time you spent here. You could have farm it countless Times 💩Edited by WeerW3ir on September 2, 2020 6:38PM4
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