Aztrias wrote: »

If I'm not wrong, that's Harald I, or "Fairhair", as they also called him?

Julibomb wrote: »

Can I just point out, ZoS have alot bigger issues at the moment with the servers not working (many many issues). End game ESO (PvE and PvP) is dying hard due to the issues, so please remember that this SHOULD be very low on their priority list.

Juli I think most would agree that yes there are bigger issues. No ones arguing that but the topic of the post isn’t about those issues (there’s plenty of those) it’s about cosmetics being gender neutral so I think it’s best to keep comments about that.

Syldras wrote: »

Scion_of_Yggdrasil wrote: »

If they've already agreed to release all future content as gender neutral

I'd really appreciate that. Do you have a source for that statement?

Not necessarily content, but hairstyles specifically. From another thread:

ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »

Hey folks,

We wanted to reach out and let you know that we appreciate the feedback provided in this thread and it has been passed along to the proper team.

As heaven13 brought up, only the hairstyles we originally launched with are like this, and all later hairstyles are gender-neutral. Future hairstyles will continue to be gender-neutral as well.

I'm just waiting for them to actually release those other styles. We've seen things like Rolis/Velsa's hair or Unruly Bangs (Adonatus Varian/Svana) on both genders, and things like Short Mussed Wave have been seen on PTS for both (I don't know if I've seen a female NPC wearing that, but Adjunct Daro/Nicolas are)

Ugh, I really want them to finally release Short Mussed Wave...

I think the diadem from last month being female-only was just to balance out the beard as a male-only thing, and that misfired. As to whether they'll go back an redo the old hairstyles...dunno. It'd be a hard sell to get people to re-pay for the hairstyles pack when so many people already have it, so it may not be worth the effort to remodel so many styles. And based on the amount of effort they're currently putting into hairstlyes... that doesn't look good. We've gotten what, one new style in over a year? They've even stopped rereleasing the styles that they have in game already (the last one we got in the store was Adorable Assassin last July)

Aztrias wrote: »

I just want longer hair and more braided options like we had in Skyrim

Same

kojou wrote: »

Maybe the model for male heads is different enough from female heads that some of the hairstyles would clip or float and look weird and it would require effort to replicate the same hairstyle for the other model.

Most likely it would also be effort they couldn't sell, because there would be outrage at selling the male or female version of the same hairstyle that already exists.

That's my theory anyway.

Haha clipping and floating? It would fit right in! I’m just kidding...But sadly not

Syldras wrote: »

robwolf666 wrote: »

I'm not sure how I'd feel about seeing a big hairy Nord bloke running around in pigtails...

Wouldn't be any worse than false lashes and pompous wedding dresses. Items that big hairy Nords can already wear now, if they want. It's improbable that most of the players would use them for male characters anyway.

Precisely where there should actually be more gender specificity rather than less in hairs/clothing/jewelry etc. Keep at least some normalcy and not let people take the mickey.

Ravena wrote: »

If ppl are uncomfortable with long haired men what are they even doing in a high fantasy game.

I even fail to understand why you'd complain about other people's (or in this case: other people's character's) hairstyles. You don't want long hair - fine, no one forces you.

robwolf666 wrote: »

Precisely where there should actually be more gender specificity rather than less in hairs/clothing/jewelry etc. Keep at least some normalcy and not let people take the mickey.

Swordancer wrote: »

Anyway I don't want this game to lose it's visual spirit and become freak show with all that wierd parts that doesn't fit on people walking around.

OP was talking about normal long hair.

Shadowspawn42 wrote: »

Why would people be allowed to have fun in a video game? No fun allowed here!!

Some people seem to think just because they can't have any fun because of their self-imposed restrictions ("OMG! That's women's stuff!"), others aren't allowed to have fun either

Swordancer wrote: »

Depends on what's funny to you.

Exactly. And you're probably the minority here, complaining about long haired guys in a fantasy game.

Shadowspawn42 wrote: »

Did they delete my reply?!

Yep. Probably because the post you replied to was deleted. It sometimes happens.

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Also on the subject of the servers I mean...would it really be that hard to change them from gender locked? I mean out of all the changes they could do I'm not expert but that one seems like one of the easiest and we all know they're going to keep adding new content and they're planning on releasing new items. How hard would it really be to change it so both genders can have same hair and adornments?

This may not be as easy as flipping a switch.

I know in most games (like the Sims, or even other TES games) the female/male models do have different head shapes, so you would need to change the hair mesh so it's not clipping/floating. It's the same reason that they don't have Argonian/Khajiit morphs for everything - you'd have to do a remodel to get them to fit. I remember having a hard time in Oblivion trying to find a good hair for my Orc since they had different head shapes and couldn't wear normal styles...and all of the custom styles were built for humans/elves.

Now some might work well enough that no remodel is needed, but there's no guarantee they all would.

The newer hair styles are actually several models: a female and a male mesh for humans, and then two additional each if they're adding equivalent styles for the beast races. That means if the model doesn't already exist (which it doesn't for most of the basegame styles), it'll be a bit of a project to remake all of them. It's the same idea as the costumes in game having different shapes whether a male or female wear them. Look at a character from the side and notice the model is shaped differently:


Some parts of the model (like earrings) are attached to certain bones, but you can't easily tell a clothing item to follow body contours without remodelling it.

The adornments are also similar in that they'd need to place them differently so the bones in the eyebrows/ears could have the default location. They're much smaller, so just flipping it over and then checking the location would be all you need to do, but it isn't just flipping a switch and done.